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thanks for the comments guys, but Im a sarcastic guy...lol. i never meant for WH or Opie to think they bothered me in any way...so if you guys think that.....dont. i appreciate you guys, and MVP and Rock (stay dirty!!!) none of you guys comment out your ass...you know what the hell your talkin about...and.... i think im done now.....
for now..
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whiskeytango
SnSstealth, So I guess I'm one of the ones you are speaking of. If you have any problem with any of my post, Feel free to delete or redirect to the correct thread, And we will continue this topic. Later
RODNEY KIIIIIIIIING!!!!!!!!!! cant we all just get along......
Ya HEHEHE! I'm a no spelling dude,BOOBOO.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVP
Alway's see it after the fact, We all have our hang-up's.
I'll do better I promise.
Yes, We can all get along! We are all in it together EH. Later
I have EXTENSIVELY researched growing with LED's and this is going to be my setup (open to thoughts...):
1200 LED array
-420nm,470nm,640nm,660nm,730nm
-Use 730nm to quickly convert Phytochrome-FR to Phytochrome-R which naturally takes 12 hours (hence the 12 hour light cycle). By doing this we can flower with shorter nights, meaning flowering with longer days, meaning more energy, and hopefully more bud!:thumbsup:
-vegetation=2:1 Blue:Red, flowering= 7:2 Red:Blue
-PCB's made by ExpressPCB
-Driven by 8 Maxim MAX6971 16-Port, 36V Constant-Current LED Drivers
-going to overdrive LED's at 55mA:rastasmoke:, but also creating up an astable oscillator circuit to pulse the LED's at about 20kHz, and have the duty cycle=10%, 1ms on-9ms off.
-UV-B lamps for even more serious bud:jointsmile:
-UV-C lamps disinfecting water supply
-Have an additional HPS light for flowering ONLY
-Use Dry Ice:cool: for CO2 enrichment and temperature control-AND only costs 60 cents a day!!(and when you CO2 enrich, you dont have to have ventilation[only circulation])
I do have a couple of questions though. Can you string different color LED's in a series. For example a series of 17 LED's 10 red and 7 blue. I have read you can but im not sure. And my friend is taking care of nutrition, he knows his stuff.
Oh ya im also using a Picaxe microcontroller to time and control the lights and pH level and flow valves....
And I think LED's are more ENERGY effecient than HPS lights, however HPS lights do the job better than MOST led grow lights
are you using class 2 LEDs? are they CREE XLamp?...or something of equal quality. cause if you are making a board to grow efficiently, you need LEDs puttin out like 2w each. thats what i got in the procyon...i got 125w LED with only 60 lights...... and you can string colors my ration is 14 blue 46 red
i need some help here WH, opie, mvp, rock...or someone whos been growing a while, cause ive never seen it. it looks like one of the planys self topped....its only 3 1/2 in tall, on its secong et of 5 leaves..its sprouting 3 instead of 2...all three with full stems....wierd? i tried putting the pics up...but sites pooping on me again.....
ill try with the pics a few more times
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whiskeytango
I guess you did not research as extensively as you may have thought. You can string LED's in series or parallel, depending on your controllers and how you wire. Both ways have pros and cons. If you are going to do this you will need to read up more on the wiring aspect, or have someone else build them for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by physicsnole
I hope you'll make a grow log and share with the class.
If it's never been damaged, that's a little weird. Not totally insane though. Especially indica varieties will do that sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnSstealth
The LED's I am using are: 5mm ultra bright
470nm-6000mcd-30mA-80mW
640nm-8000mcd-30mA-80mW
660nm-3500mcd-20mA-70mW
1000+ LED's can produce approx 80W. So 6 of these panels could make alot of watts for LED lights.
And thats before overdriving them. I can ovedrive up to 100mA, but gonna start at 55mA. So there is more light there. and if i pulse the led's i can cut the power by 90%!! so only use approx 8W power instead of 80W.
The LED drivers supply up to 55mA per channel, and there are 16 channels. each channel is a series of LED's. The max voltage the driver can handle is 36V, so now knowing I can string different colors in series (i had read that you can, and then i read you cant so i was just making sure) I can have approx 12-15 LED's per channel (depending on color ratio). So 1 driver chip can drive 190-240 LED's. 5 driver chips will be more than enough for 1 panel.
Cool, looking forward to seeing the finished product, and to seeing the nice big nuggets you produce.Quote:
Originally Posted by physicsnole
http://ledshoppe.com/Product/led/LE1001.htm 1000 red LED for 25$
http://ledshoppe.com/Product/led/LE1003.htm 500 blue LED for 20$
not bad considering brightness of 8000 mcd and 6000 mcd, respectively
damn upload pics thing is pissin me off, this is cool shit and i want you guys to see it....lol
im still not getting how you will need that man LEDs.....if they we CREE class 2's, 1000 LEDs would be 2kw of LED...isnt that kinda overkill?...just askin. whats your opinion of the procyons we are using?
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whiskeytango
wait till you guys see this suns pics!! the are going nuts now man:jointsmile:
I looked at the procyone and the only reason I turned away was because of the price. The cree xlamps are very nice, but much more expensive than 5mm LED's. Especially now that they have the right wavelengths. The heat generated is also a big issue, but the grow light u have takes care of that. The other problem with the procyon is there are only 2 wavelengths, the other two (660 and 425) give many additional benefits that the plant could use. Ive also read you can trigger flowering by shifting the color of the lights from a majority blue to a majority red. have any of you heard of this?
Fellas, check your rep and let me know if you want help figuring it out. Are you sure the problem isn't between the chair and the keyboard? :wtf: ;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SnSstealth
yeah you're gonna need thousands of those based on what ive seen grown from 5mm LEDs. granted you have alot of extras (CO2....) but its really a matter of photons generated getting to the plant. yes the xlamps are more expensive but with the time and labor put into mounting 1000's of 5mm, the heat they'll generate that you'll have to pay to control it seems like a wash.Quote:
Originally Posted by physicsnole
Not sure about the color shift trigger as our plants are under a 5:2 ratio of red:blue 18 hour days and vegging like crazy
Please do make you're own lights:thumbsup: Wish I had the expertise to do that. Good luck cant wait to see your thread:pimp:
Doughboy
fucking uploader!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i really want you guys to see this pic....ive never seen it before, and grown hundreds of plants....never did any true indicas though poie:thumbsup:
ill keep tryin to show you guys
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whiskeytango
wait till the update pics sun!!!! babies are LOVING these lights...lol...4 in plants with 4 internodes...definitely not stretching....lol
this seedling has germinated yesterday and this picture was taken tonight (feb 6th) 2 hours ago. i had it under the LEDs the whole time in dirt from seed to now and i also used liquid karma.
http://www.snapdrive.net/files/470781/Grow/day%201.JPG
PS> so far it's been 3 days since i popped it into the ground, i think the liquid karma really did a good job but the LEDs sure gave it a hell of a thick stem for a seedling
i'd say go for LED if you want your seedlings to look great and be healthy
i'll update you on the veg part when i can see it's at that state:)
ahh dude, this looks excellent! Well done :-) Thanks for posting this info there are a lot of naysayers out there ya know, I'm on a HPS now, but i'm considering a veg room of LED's for a continual grow.Quote:
Originally Posted by maspino1
Peace,
Denial
don't forget though, i used liquid karma from germination and still am
but anyways, just to give you a good idea of what i used, i have 3 of these 225 (something like that) LED squares (12"x12")
http://www.snapdrive.net/files/47078...ht%20setup.JPG
this is the one i'm using now but the other box i used to germinate the plant had 1 extra
square of LEDs above the plant and the walls surrounding it were white
these LED squares can be found on ebay when you search for 'led grow' and they're great
for keeping your germinating seeds or ambient temperature a comfortable warm (i dont' have a thermostat)
lol i meant therometer not a thermostat
Now that's what I'm talking about - completely surrounding the plant with LED's. I believe that's what it's going to take. Rep for you.
Way cool, i've been looking at those on ebay myself! They aren't very expensive at all... They usually go for around $40 bucks (usd) form my research, on ebay! :rastasmoke:Quote:
Originally Posted by maspino1
Keep it up, i'd like to know how it turns out!
I was thinking about these blue LED's- LUXEON V High Brightness LEDs
And these red LED's-
LUXEON III LEDs
Just 1 of each would make approx-200lm. Thats alot of light. Now say I had 100 of these LED's. That sould be more than plenty.
However my 1200+ LED array only takes up 12"x12" so putting 5 of these puppis in would make alot of light also. On average the array will make approx 6000cd of light, not mcd, cd. so I am having trouble picking between the two types, 5 mm or class 2 LED's.
unfortunately those are china panels....we had a few of those.....they wont work once your plant start growing man. they arent tuned per frequency either, those are what you hewar people calling "china panels" you need class 2 LEDs. show ya updates on how they my lovely ladies are goin tomorrow....the idea is GREAT finally got other LED growers out there. but can you start your own thread on your grow?...would love to follow it and see how it goes..keep checkin in here...i may do the pics today, but tryin to keep the pics at a week apart for referance
and ryan from HGL said all you need to do for flowering is change the time.
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Originally Posted by physicsnole
one more on this: I dont believe the removal of wavelengths would change the plants physiology to start flowering when the days get shorter (in the fall). not sure how that would work.:beatdeadhorse:lol
k..heres those pics....they are from yesterday.....it opened more and it seems like we just got 3 full leaves at that node instead of 2...interesting though huh?
whiskeytango
i think its safe to say i dont need to worry about stretching with these procyons huh?.....:thumbsup:
whiskeytango
here they are...couldnt wait....first 2 pics are the plant i showed on feb4..this is my referance plant...pics 3 and 4 are the strange sleaf node plant from yesterday...last is a pic of them all in their pretty light....lol...i got my camera set at 4x6 pics...if anyone is having problems viewing, ill shirnk...just lemme know
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whiskeytango
The plants look pretty happy.....nice work so far...:thumbsup:
Hmmm, the only time I can remember seeing stuff like that happen is when the plants are stressed from either temperature or light abnormalities. From the looks of them they seem generally in nice condition.
Remind me - are they clones or grown from seed?
Your plants look great. I just ordered a Procyon-100 a few days ago from Indoor Agriculture. The guy said it'd be four weeks before they got more in stock. My current grow is under some clfs and an HID. The reason I decided to invest in the LED lamp is because of the low heat emission. Winter and spring is okay, but mid summer is a bitch. We use our bedroom closet and keep the door open to let heat out. But summers are way over the top around here. I'm hoping the LED will allow us to grow whenever we want.
Keep it up. I'll be following the thread closely.
They DO look great.....and quite healthy as well. That strange leaf stuff if just fast growing plant imo.....they're so happy they can't keep up with the growth. That'll all catch up soon....no worries that I see (not that I'm the word on anything here....;))
Looking good you guys!
by this do you mean the wavelengths plants need for photosynthesis?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnSstealth
Kinda, they are from bin containers and from the research ive seen others do, they could vary 20nm(or more) either way. not exactly what I think you're looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by physicsnole
Please visit GREENPINELANE.COM (DONT MENTION MJ) to see some experiments done there. they haven't used those exact panels but 5mm and has stepped up to the class 2s. seems to be doing better with them:D
not to mention that the one i got had broken wiring in the back. 1/3 panel didnt work till i took it apart and fixed it. now thats quality:thumbsup:
omg, your plants look AMAZING!
thanks for warning me about those "china panels" seems like china's reputation is really catching up
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I am going to check in here and say great work on this log, very thurough and interesting:)
Your plants look very healthy at this point no different than if under a 600 watt MH IMO.
I to will be watching this.
If you get a yeild like you would under HID lighting the company that makes these lights is going to get swamped with orders at the end of this grow!!!
They sell stock? :) Ha Ha
Great work and log keep it coming.