I think this poll is flawed. Where is the "Fuck no" option?
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I think this poll is flawed. Where is the "Fuck no" option?
I think it's a little funny that people that don't like Iran think Israel should death with them, as if Israel is so much better! At least Iran never supported Apartheid South Africa!
Man, a lot of people seem to be woefully ignorant about politics. This is one of the biggest problems in America. You can NOT have an effective opinion if you are not informed. You will just look like an idiot to anyone who actually took a few minutes to read the politics section from an unbiased news source (aka almost anyone by Fox news). Although, the media does have a slight liberal bias but not blatant like Fox.
Why don't you guys take a look a this:
Iran: Nuclear Intentions and Capabilities
http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/20071203_release.pdf
i will never support a war
Damn, I spent about an hour last night writing a book here about why we support Israel and what not, only to finish and get some sort of "Database Error"Quote:
Originally Posted by Nailhead
Anyways, We support Israel for several reasons. 1) they are the only democracy in the middle east, and the US does everything in their power to support democracy aka S. Korea. 2) Stregetic Importance- Israel allows the US use of their land to actively store tanks, artillery, and air force bases; they even train us in counter-intelligence about new terriorist warfare techniques 3) Israel played a huge role for us defeating Germany in both of the WW when the Arab nations, then known as the Ottoman Empire backed Germany.
If the US falls it wont be because of anything but our own greed and our own faults in our economic system. No Arabic nation will cause the fall of the US. If it really came down to it, we could take over the entire middle east. If it was a matter of life or death.
Israel has every right to defend themselves when the countries President has said he wants Israel whipped off the face of the map. Thats a pretty serious desire, and Israel will defend themselves.
Here are the 2 options; 1) The US helps support Israel in an attack on selected targets but plays a very limited role in the war. or 2) The US provides no aid (this will never happen BTW) and Israel feels the need to flex their muscle and nukes Iran killing millions and millions of people.
No matter what, If Israel feels Iran is close to getting a nuclear weapon, They will attack. Its a matter of what capacity. And Israel has about 60 armed nuclear warheads and the means to deliver them. While I know its hard to support a war. There is definetely consequences of the US not helping, and it will lead to much more bloodshed.
You have to take a step back to look at the larger picture. To say just turn your back on Israel now, is a rather fucked up thing to do, especially after Israels unconditional support since around 1900.
Hi guys just reading through some posts .What gets me is all this talk of W.M.Ds it's all to do with oil !.petrol chemical dollar recycling .O.P.E.C is run in dollars opec money is held in the Federal Reserve.Iran and Iraq ad a few minor league oil producers were planning to start their own consortium .The base for this was to be in europe and were going to use the euro for their transactions .If others jumped on the bandwagon the american economy would collapse rapidly .Don't get me started on afganistan .lol
take care.
I can't support war, but I'll support the Iranian peoples' right to fair representation, in spirit anyway. They despise their current leader, who is in office due to record voter apathy, much like a diebold stalemate, worldwide - it's a bit of a dulce et decorum est pro patria mori global scam, augmented with nations being meaningless beside corporate power. Automatons of media talking heads that must put the best spin on the next Spartacus gutter display of population control and contempt for the poor.
"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori", is an old poem/story - and one man defending his homeland is still like ten attacking.
Actually, a war in Iran would have nothing to do with oil. Thats kind of the oppositions stance on everything in the middle east "All the US wants is oil."Quote:
Originally Posted by baldie1
Thats kind of ignorant considering there is a legit concern and actual construction of a nuclear plant taking place. The agrument comes from what Iran will do with the nuclear plant. I dont trust George Bush, but I definetely dont trust President Psycho of Iran who came to America and gave Anti-American speeches in hopes to cause rebels to revolt against our own government in hopes of creating an unstable US.
Thats the whole point of this Bin Laden tapes, even to this day. They attempt to hit close to home and "drive a wedge between the western people and their leaders"
Yes, the nuclear plant can be used for peaceful purposes, however Iran still refuses to allow UN inspectors in and only wants to answer to the IAEC (or something like that) which its entirely possible Iran has those inspectors on the payroll.
I believe we are doing the right thing, we are using diplomacy as we prepare for a 4th round of negioations with Iran, however they dont seem willing to open up their programme to other agencies, and if they wont budge, then the US needs to impose sanctions. Simple as that. Whats Israel does, is up to them. But if Iran continues what they are doing, and Israel decides to wage their own nuclear war, they will be at no fault but their own.
Not to mention Irans president repeatedly insults the President of France, and the PM of Britian. Hes very good at name calling because hes a fucking coward.
Dude I hate it when that shit happens, when it does I usually start cursing at my computer screen looking like a nutjob hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by AZExplorer
People who support wars are nothing but sheep, to put it simply. Learn to think for yourselves.
War is definetely something that should be avoided at all costs, however there are circumstances where war is the only option. When the Nazi's were on their conquest for an Arian race, what other option was there?Quote:
Originally Posted by mfqr
Bloodshed isnt a good thing, however it is natural. War will always happen, it will always exist. Thats how countries are formed, thats how times change. Wars generally provide hope for a greater future.
I understand that no one likes to go to war, but people are willing to give their life in hope that their children and their childrens children have a better life. And if someone believes in a cause enough to die for it, then they must truly feel its for the best in the long run.
Would you go to war for legalization of marijuana?
EDIT- so, if your next door neighbor said that he was going to kill your entire family, and then he went out and got a hunting license and purchased a rifle, but no ammo. what would you do? Thats pracitcally the situation Israel is in, only they cant call the police, they have to defend themselves. Iran has repeatedly threatened to eliminate Israel. I dont see what other choice Israel has, what sit back and watch as Iran gets closer and closer to nuclear capabilty.
Yeah man, I was irrate LOL. I had seriously spent about an hour researching and putting together this 7-8 paragraph post and was just infuriated when it wouldnt go through lol. oh well. it was probably too long for anyone to ready anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nailhead
I strongly believe in evolution and that any organism at war with itself is an organism that will eventually die out and be replaced through the process of evolution. Sadly, if the human race does not learn how to live at peace with one another we will be signing the death tags for our species. But the upside is that we do have the ability to evolve in a better direction, but whether or not we can make that change before we kill our species is another question. I do not believe war is part of the human race as some people say, right now it is part of our nature but just as primitive the cavemen were, we can move towards a more enlightened species that doesn't need war to advance itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by AZExplorer
Not trying to make this sound all rosy, to be honest, I think the human species is just a failed evolutionary animal that will be killed off like millions of other species throughout the history of this planet. Unfortunately, the human species cannot look at itself in an unbiased manor, instead the human race looks at itself as a superior being created, not through natural means, but by a divine power that will protect that species even after death. A species unafraid of extinction is a species destined for just that.
I agree a lot with what you said. The only thing Id agrue is that war will be evolved out. I dont see that ever happening. There will always be conflict and when 2 sides refuse to budge at all, there will be war.
On a side note, I love this place. Ive never been on a web forum where people have been open to such debates without it turning into a flame fest and people insulting eachother. Its great to be able to have an adult debate without children interferring :D
Stop these wars based on bullshit and lies!
I really think enough damage has been done on a whole. Yes I would back a defensive need. But to start a war absolutely not. WE (and I mean the government) had been mediling on other countries affairs for the last 115 years. Probably even longer. We have noone to blame but ourselves(the governments we have chosen) for the way we have too living now. I have many views on this, none are great. I think that we need to try and fix a few of these problems, (which we can if we want) I'm not saying lay down and play dead by any means. But things just can't go on the way they are now. we are killing the only place we have to live. I'm not a war monger, nor am I a pasistive. These US of A have come along way and we have a great history. Yes I would love to see Peace!! But not at a cost to our lifestyle. I think there are allot of things we are not remebering. Where we came from, what our forfathers did, and why they did it. I am still proud of this country, not for what we have done recently, but for what we stand for. We are a great country, I know it doesn't seem like it lately, but we are. We need better leadership. Better Press, there are alot of things that we have done for the betterment of the world that we all have to share! That started here in the ole good US of A. I personally would like to see that sort of thing happen more. We have friends from all over the world that we have met here on the internet, and most of them feel the same way we do. "why all the fighting", "why are we at each others throats".....etc etc...... I think if "We The People" acutually had the say we are suppose too have things would be much different in this world we all share. I know there are those out there that would totally disagree, because they are making a killing on the high price of gas now. Well also for other reasons that they themselves make up. Bottom line!!! This is our world, and only we can change it. For the better or the worse. Guess its up too US. I would love to have feed back. If you can't tell I have really been hating whats been going on in the "global community" lately. Thanks for letting go on hehe
Non-interventionism.. America is a great country and I've got great friends there and its always a good time.. I'd really love to see a liberated, cool America..Like when I was a kid.. now theres just way too much hostility, I mean a lot of American's are a little more scared than they should be:).. Haha, I remember the first time I went to America the first thing I fell in love with was American Children's Programs.. HAHA..
haha yeah, iran has nuclear weapons.. and then they won't find em but they'll just slay the president anyway just for the fuck of it.
no, i don't support war with iran and i don't with iraq.
personally i think every needs to get a bong rip it up shake hands and say fuck violence let us all live in peace like that would ever happen especially over there well damnit guys quit blowing ur selves up and smoke some weed u dont get laid by 7 virgins u go straight to hell and burn there hmmm hell or weed what would u choose cause pretty soon if this war shit doesnt stop theres gonna be a nuclear war worldwide and bye bye earth
not to sound negative but if this war of bullshit like terrorism there is always gonna be a terrorist never cant eliminate it always some crazy fuck will step in some1 elses shoes and take over if it keeps going every1 is gonna start bombing eachother and i can see the world ending very soon bring them home see where it goes from there and it might die down on the violence they do that shit saying get out of out country nice signs the iraqies have and besides the ones we have to worry about is the ones in america what if they r affiliated with al quaida easy access right there to blow america all the way up
And uh, pray tell, oh wise one... what super-intelligent species out there, is "afraid" of its own extinction? Hmm? Are there rabbits out there, saying, "No, no, no, Bob. We rabbits fear our own extinction, so we'll be fine. Those humans, though? They're screwed, because they don't fear their own extinction, like we do."Quote:
Originally Posted by Nailhead
What a silly statement you made, that you intended to sound very wise, and ends up doing the complete opposite. :rolleyes:
P.S.
I can sum up the situation in the Mid East, in relation to Muslim countries vs. Israel. (By the way, to the genius pacifists on this thread, Iran is not an Arab state. They are Persian.)
1.) We support Israel, because they are the only TRUE democracy, in that armpit of the world. I like how people say that Iran has "elections." Pacifists are soooo cute!
2.) I love how pacifists say, "Peace. Love. No wars. A brotherhood and sisterhood of all people, living in peace." :hippy:
..... Yeah, right. Unless, of course, you're a woman living in a Muslim country, like Iran AND IRAQ(!!!), before we booted that butcher Saddam Hussein out. If you're a woman in those mental case Muslim countries, you get to enjoy all the "peace and love" that a government created rape room provides. Moms and Dads? You get to watch your daughters get raped multiple times, right before your eyes (bonus!), because you happened to disagree with Saddam Hussein, and somebody turned you in. But to pacifists, those women and children, moms and dads don't really count. Just as long as there's no "wars", the slaughter of the innocent is okay by them. Pacifists are just hypocrites and cowards, who hide behind cute little slogans, like "Make love, not war." Puke.
#3, and the most obvious reason Muslim countries are the ones to blame for the unrest in the world.... I'll use a hypothetical.
If all the Muslim countries of the world declared they are laying down their arms, and would not resist an attack made by Israel from this moment on, there would be peace between Israel and all its neighboring Muslim countries, within 24 hours.
If, however, Israel declared that they themselves are laying down all their own weapons, and would not resist any attack made by any Muslim country, Israel would be obliterated, within 24 hours.
Absolutely NOT! ENOUGH FEAR! No to war with IRAN. PERIOD.
Enough Fear
This is a campaign to bring the voices of Iranians and Americans into a discussion that is being dominated by extremists on both sides and bringing us closer to the unthinkable: nuclear war. Our leaders continue to rattle their sabers and spread fear, but we're ready to talk, and if they won't take that first step, we will take it for them. We've had enough. Enough posturing. Enough threats. Enough fear.
The goals of our campaign are to bring Americans and Iranians together to speak to each other, and to speak out together against war.
This website is the first phase of our campaign. I joined and I hope you will to. :)
thats not very fair, the government has 1000 of them. Who are we to judge who can and who can't when we commit the attrocity ourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Theres a word for that, its moronic.
Peace,
Denial
Its all a joke anyway...Our present government has made no effort to stop nuclear proliferation in fact it has allowed nuclear secrets to leak out to other nations like Pakistan and put us in MORE danger.
Funny how they are always pointing aggression in the wrong direction. They should have been focusing on Afghanistan when they wasted our tax dollars in Iraq and now they are going after Iran when they should be securing the Nuclear weapons they allowed Pakistan to get.
So I wonder what the real reason is for the focus on Iran?
With Iraq it was control of the oil fields and control of so called US "interests"
There has to be an underlying cause for Iran. I'll have to do some research and see what I can dig up. The first place I always look is arms deals, oil fields and drug deals, all US staples.
I'm pretty sure the "underlying cause" for Iran is that the Shah is no longer in power, and the Ayatollah is crazy...his figurehead is also nuts.
I got your points and stance on Iraq, but this is a way different thing. It's kinda like they cried wolf already, but now it's really needed...people need to learn that Iran and Iraq are different situations, and maybe this time the government actually DOES want to save your ass, just this time it's from some psycho Iranian who doesn't care what anyone thinks. He will do anything....good luck trying to be diplomatic.
I don't agree I have talked personally to young people in Iran they are VERY progressive. They are much more like us than the people in Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreshNugz
They do not want war they want open communications.
Their leader is an asshole just like our leader is.
Pakistan HAS nuclear weapons and stands a good chance of loosing control of them. They are a much larger threat in my opinion.
Just to get this out there first, I am part of the right wing conspiracy, I am in a black helicopter right now!!!
No we shouldn't have a war with Iran. We shouldn't be worried about whether or not they have or are or want to develope nuclear weapons and if they will use them.
They SHOULD be worried about us using nukes on them. Remember we are the only ones that ever have and I think it's high time to do it again. All the lwbwlibs out there should be happy, we won't have a long protracted war, just turn the whole place into a glass bowl. Send some human shields over there first though, any volunteers!:S4::apachecopter::Tomcat:
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Originally Posted by twoguysupnorth
I think this is beautiful. I agree 100% :thumbsup:
Sorry it took me so long to reply...I am really busy. Obama's gonna win! Obama's gonna win....Did you hear him say we would take the LEAD in stopping global warming? Such a contrast with a president that wouldn't even sign the Kyoto treaty.
Maybe like you, but I don't think "most" of the general population of America would just let a true facist dictator rule indefinately. Americans don't actually put up with that despite what YOU think, and I am betting that if the Iranians your talking to heard you talk about the United States in the way that you do they would puke. And maybe you could ask them what a real facist dictator is like!:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat00
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Originally Posted by BlueCat00
Maybe like you, but I don't run around saying lalalallalalalallalalalaa and sucking camel spit eating rocks! Shiiiit! That is just a joke, don't have any siezures folks, sorry to those in advance that are easily offended!:) Political satire!:thumbsup:
Who would sew all the worlds soccer balls if we went to war with Iran.:S2:
I never fail to be amused by the "we have nukes and we aren't afraid to use them " brigade. Having weapons and being prepared to use them doesn't make you a responsible person or goverment.
It does make a dictator like Bush (telling others what they can and cannot do is DICTATING ) feel that because they have weapons that it then gives them the right to bully others.
America needs to police it's own and realise they will never be able to force others to follow thier ideals.
He is, is he? I'll believe that when I see it. Don't be fooled by what he says...can't you see he hasn't told you HOW or WHEN? He's a dem....says he will do so many things that people want to hear...he's saying it cause he knows you want to hear it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat00
He's no less of a liar than any other politician, I wouldn't get your hopes up.
How? When? Oh Details schmetails! Change!!! Woo hoo. Yes we can woo hoo, that's all the details some folks need!:D It makes me piss my self laughing about how people think "oh the first possible black president", like he is the first black man to run for president, gimme a fucking break!:woohoo::S2:Quote:
Originally Posted by FreshNugz