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Originally Posted by dankness42o
OH and by the way, the US bombed pearl harbour in secret alliance with Japan because the insane president wanted to be sadistically part of the war. It's this fucking country's fault that all the bad stuff happens. WALT DISNEY WAS ALSO IN ALLIANCE WITH HITLER BY THE WAYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!
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why dont you ask the 12 million people we freed over there if it was worth it
alot of them are so ignorant their opinions don't matter but there really are a lot of grateful people over there
Iraq was attacked twice and thousands of thier citizens killed , the first attack based on what the US and Britain had created, the second to secure business access to the middle east.
Both attacks were completely wrong.
I am pretty damn sure that sectarian violence will continue in Iraq, just as it has all through this occupation.
I am also a firm believer in the edict of "you reap what you sow" and for each person killed by Brit or US forces there will be at least one of thier family who swears revenge. Thats how terrorism works and also where the idea of "one mans terrorist being another mans freedom fighter" comes from.
The dream that all Iraqis are gratefull for our "help" (cough cough) is soured by the knowledge that the same two countries that liberated them from Saddam were once very good buddies with him.
BS wars caused by BS goverments to keep thier house of cards in place and to secure the economic future of the elite groups of families that have always been part of the old boys brigade.
Soooo much bullshit , so little time..:thumbsup:
I think I've become one of the site's harshest critics of U.S. foreign policy in general, not just the Iraq War, so you know which way I voted.
MPLSSweedman, one could easily argue that the opinions of your average reality-TV-addicted philistine don't matter...the author of "The Age of American Unreason" (I can't remember her name), was inspired to write it after she overheard one guy telling another about how Pearl Harbour started the Vietnam War. These people shape their values based on cultural tradition and what they've been told just as much as any Iraqi citizen. The lies are different, but equally poisonous.
What viewpoint has caused, from a utilitarian perspective, more death, the view that non-Muslims are infidels who should be blown up, or the view that it is the duty of the morally superior U.S. to enforce its values throughout the world? The answer's easy.
Edit: That seemed to imply that the guy thought Pearl Harbour started Vietnam because that's what he's been taught...that isn't the case, of course; the case is that intellectual curiosity is basically dead, and all anyone wants to do is kick back to the latest vacuous entertainment, assured that their government must have the right basic values. The notion that their leaders' values may be wrong and destructive isn't one entertained by many.
Wow, this thread is 4 years old!
Don't forget! Only 80% of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi...
oh, wait...
any way you look at it, if you threaten the USA you will get fucked up
you mess with the best, you die like the rest. dont fuck with america and expect us to sit back and watch like pansy ass french or canadians. we get it done
How did Iraq mess with the US?Quote:
Originally Posted by MPLSweedman
How did Afghanistan mess with the US?
How did you come to such a stupid conclusion ?
I believe that if you check your history you will find that the US only has itself to blame for the hatred directed towards them.
The US has constantly interfered in the business of both countries.
Have you forgotten how the US helped Saddam?
Or how the Iranians were allies to the US in Afghanistan?
Or how the US was instrumental in allowing the Taliban to buy weapons through proxies ?
Please don't insult my intelligence by bringing 9/11 into the argument as neither the Afghans or Iraqis were implicated in any way.
maybe we shouldve just let saddam stay in power, he wouldve came close to hitler in number of murders
you non-americans have absolutely ZERO right to tell us how to fight our wars
theres a good reason we're america and you arent
2 posts in and already you're throwing Hitler into the mix , that's gotta be a record.Quote:
Originally Posted by MPLSweedman
Did you skip the bit about the aid that Saddam recieved from the US during the Iraq/Iran conflict?
America has zero right to tell others what they can or cannot do but the arrogance of your goverment knows no bounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by MPLSweedman
How about calling out your foreign policy of interference and destabilisation of supposed unfriendly regimes?
Please enlighten me ,when did Saddam declare war on America , did we all miss the Afghan declaration too ?
America took it upon themselves to ignore any real information and go with what suited them and thier interests.
Because we're too smart to be ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MPLSweedman
Or are you assuming that the very fact that you're an American means that you're always right? LMAO
Are you one of those people who believes in the "we got nukes so we always right and if you disagree we'll bomb ya" !
I do hope not .
Lol, how are you even still alive?Quote:
Originally Posted by MPLSweedman
MPLSWeedman...I join DaBudhaStank in expressing my incredulity at your remaining alive (or being able to to tie your shoes). As a "pansy ass Canadian", as you put it, my opinion doesn't matter, but it's clear to anybody that you have no knowledge of wordly affairs whatsoever, no ability to grasp another perspective, no ability to transcend the xenophobic propaganda of your tyrannical government (who has caused more death than Saddam).
I have ZERO right to tell you how to fight your wars? Since all critical debate has been dismissed with a strawman of patriotic, exceptionalist elitism, please feel free to ignore me when I say you have ZERO right to justify your country's savage butchery, horrendous war crimes and shameful disrespect for other nations' sovereignty and right to freedom from economic and cultural imperialism. I'm typically more polite than this, but don't ever, ever fucking try to shut people up with an assertion that you're American and we're not. An American citizen is no more human, more intelligent (as you illustrate quite well), or more deserving of peace and a quiet family life than the citizens of any other country in the world, a concept that seems to get lost in ethnocentric arrogance. Iraqi civilians love their families just as much as you do, and when their brother gets blown to bits they feel it just like anyone else.
Oh boy does this thread deliver - in spades!Quote:
alot of them are so ignorant their opinions don't matter but there really are a lot of grateful people over there
If it wasn't so cripplingly appropriate, this might even be funny.
say what you will
i just hate reading about canadians' views on america and the war in iraq
when members of your family are killed for no reason in 9-11 you'd agree with me too, but no one bothers attacking canada
show me the civillian deaths like you claim, you guys are believing straight up lies. the numbers are over-exxagerated to get libs like you all fired up. the terrorists over there are animals, blowing up anything they can shoot. i would like to invite ANY of you to talk to a real US marine about what life is like over there and it will change your views completely. iraqi women and children are being recruited as suicide bombers
the honest to god truth is that the american military did a great thing for the iraqi people. no matter who you are or what you think, liberating 12 million from saddam hussein outweighs a few civillian deaths
the problems iraq faces in 2009 are solely religious issues
america did all it could, single-handedly took care of saddam and gave a new chance at life to all of the people. when the sunnis and shiites dont get along, america has no say in what happens. i believe religion is the cause of all wars and until the islamics settle their shit then its never going to work
Go to iraqbodycount.org, if you're convinced claims of civilian death are false fuel for liberal rage. This is just Iraq, mind...the death and destruction wrought by your heroes, the American military, elsewhere in the world, would be a much larger number.
If you think the 9/11 attacks were for no reason, examine the U.S.'s foreign policy a little more closely.
I'm not asking this to be insulting; I'm genuinely curious: do you truly believe that the Iraq War is a philanthropic deed, the sole motive for invasion being to kindly liberate the people from an oppressive regime? If that's the case, I guess they need to invade Saudi Arabia, China, half of Africa, etc. next. Or...perhaps ulterior motives come into play?
And hey, I'm not anti-American in the sense that I have anything against the people, and I'm equally critical of my own government's moronic decision to go into Afghanistan.
Oh, by the way, trying to justify civilian death in a whirlwind of rhetoric is cool and to be expected. Denying its existence is not. I have a friend who's joining the army next year, and we've had countless debates about the morality of armed intervention...he also denies Afghani civilians are being murdered by Canadian troops. Japan also claims to this day that the Nanking Massacre was a big exaggeration.
You fail to see the fault in this statement, what does 9/11(mainly Saudi) terrorist attack have to do with the unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MPLSweedman
America did nothing single handed , did you forget that it was a joint attack ?
A marine is hardly going to be in a position to tell anyone how the Iraqis feel, I imagine that Iraqis feel the same way you would if they had invaded the US.
I bet you would be out there waving them on as great liberators.. :D
Religion has caused wars ... BUT ... nowhere near as many as greed has.
You really have no idea of my political affiliations so the liberal tag is completely wasted, I'm more a fuck humanity kind of anarchist if the truth be told.
I'm not liberal , I'm not even sociable... :thumbsup:
Hey pc nice to see ya--lol, you never fail to entertain and edumakate!!!
I support our soldiers for doing whatever we ask, even if we don't believe in it, we have to when we have our brothers and sisters there!
I do not think we should have started the war in Iraq, but I do feel we needed something done. The idea we are chicken shit here and won't fight, I think not. I may seem passive, but I've killed a rattlesnake before!
I believe greed started this war in Iraq and one man's vengence. He should have taken Michael Phelps bong or the American Indian Peace Pipe and put some peace smoke in it. If it didn't work, dope him with the 'truth serum' and make him talk, would be a shorter war. Crap, we didn't even dope him before we sentenced him. Imagine all the military info they could have gotten! When someone kills so many civilians over many years, they should have no rights! Saddam was a very bad person and was killing too many of his own people.
It wasn't until this war I understood Monday morning Quartback analogies! TGIalmostF PR :rastasmoke:
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Originally Posted by MPLSweedman
You make me laugh man...I don't even think that you believe half the stuff you say...I could be wrong on that though. AMERICA AMERICA WOO WE'RE THE BEST AT EVERYTHING...YES, DOESN'T MATTER IF OUR GOVERNMENT IS RIGHT OR WRONG, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT SMELLY FRENCH OR CANADIANS!! How about you have a nice serving of...
Is it possible to stop calling a person Canadian, French and American without it sounding like an insult! This is an international site and that is simply offensive! IT OUGHT TO BE ANOTHER THREAD AT THE VERY LEAST!:(
Unless the person is the President, Czar, Dictator of the country, they are not single handedly running their country! Even though we feel the responsibility of our Gov't's, it does not mean we personally made the decision's. The hatred makes it difficult to understand the issue! :hippy: :jointsmile: