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Talk about picking n choosing zimman, you do just fine....also read operation Mongoose...and yes our government has stage bio-war on its own people look it up....Hey what about the PNAC Plan dude. Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro, as part of the U.S. government's Operation Mongoose anti-Castro initiative. The plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real state-sponsored acts of terrorism (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. and Cuban soil. The plan was proposed by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders, including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer

The main proposal was presented in a document entitled "Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba (TS)," a collection of draft memoranda written by the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) representative to the Caribbean Survey Group.[1] (The parenthetical "TS" in the title of the document is an initialism for "Top Secret.") The document was presented by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13 with one paragraph approved, as a preliminary submission for planning purposes.

The previously secret document was originally made public on November 18, 1997 by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board, a U.S. federal agency overseeing the release of government records related to John F. Kennedy's assassination.[2][3][4][5][6] A total of about 1500 pages of once-secret military records covering 1962 to 1964 were concomitantly declassified by said Review Board.

"Appendix to Enclosure A" and "Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A" of the Northwoods document were first published online by the National Security Archive on November 6, 1998 in a joint venture with CNN as part of CNN's 1998 Cold War television documentary series[7][8]â??specifically, as a documentation supplement to "Episode 10: Cuba," which aired on November 29, 1998.[9][10] "Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A" is the section of the document which contains the proposals to stage terrorist attacks.

The Northwoods document was published online in a more complete form (i.e., including cover memoranda) by the National Security Archive on April 30, 2001.[11]

In response to a request for pretexts for military intervention by the Chief of Operations of the Cuba Project, Brig. Gen. Edward Lansdale, the document lists methods (with, in some cases, outlined plans) the authors believed would garner public and international support for U.S. military intervention in Cuba. These are staged attacks purporting to be of Cuban origin, with a number of them having real casualties. Central to the plan was the use of "friendly Cubans"â??Cuban exiles seeking to oust Fidel Castro.

The proposals included:

Starting rumors about Cuba by using clandestine radios.
Staging mock attacks, sabotages and riots at Guantanamo Bay and blaming it on Cuban forces.
Firebombing and sinking an American ship at the Guantanamo Bay American military baseâ??reminiscent of the USS Maine incident at Havana in 1898, which started the Spanish-American Warâ??or destroy American aircraft and blame it on Cuban forces. (The document's first suggestion regarding the sinking of a U.S. ship is to blow up a manned ship and hence would result in U.S. Navy members being killed, with a secondary suggestion of possibly using an unmanned ship and fake funerals instead.)
"Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type [sic] planes would be useful as complementary actions."
Destroying an unmanned drone masquerading as a commercial aircraft supposedly full of "college students off on a holiday". This proposal was the one supported by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Staging a "terror campaign", including the "real or simulated" sinking of Cuban refugees:
We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute [sic] to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement, also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government.

Burning crops by dropping incendiary devices in Haiti, the Dominican Republic or elsewhere.
Journalist James Bamford summarized Operation Northwoods in his April 24, 2001 book Body of Secrets thusly:

Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war

First off, don't always except Wikipida as fact. Its only as good as the people who contribute to it. You being a conspiracy person should have read about Microsoft paying people to alter data on there.

FULL PDF of operation Northwoods. Original documentation scan. The part about sinking a boat of Cubans..
a. Not American citizens
b. Its says "real or staged" making no definite choice on that matter.

Don't believe me. This document is the basest of your claims. Also note that this was never done. They had a plan but never did a followed threw, just like our plans to invade China.

Full PDF of operation Mongoose

Few things stick out in this one.. The fact that even the Attorney General at the time does not believe the government would be able to hide such a task from the American people. And the very last line "all efforts should be made to develop new and imaginative approaches to the possibility of removing the Castro regime"

I guess for a guy who tried to park nuclear warheads off our coast he got off easy. Stop posting spin and calling it fact!

What a surprise a website not good enuff for you.....Im sorry did you want CNN or Fox...what if i had one from CBS or MSNBC what would you do...Hey soo they talked about it, sooo what huh.Our government loves us to death..:rolleyes:

Wow chk this out from May of 2001 right B4 9-11..Interesting......and then you have PNAC to follow up on still............Oh Condi Its "Due Time"

N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001 In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.


America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.


The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

"These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.

"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants."


Gunning for War


The documents show "the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government," writes Bamford.

ABC News: U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba

Bare with me, maybe your not understanding what I am saying.

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Ok now we got some deffinetions out of the way..

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What a surprise a website not good enuff for you.....Im sorry did you want CNN or Fox...what if i had one from CBS or MSNBC what would you do...Hey soo they talked about it, sooo what huh.Our government loves us to death..

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I don't care if it comes from CNN, Fox, Prisonplanet. As long as it states the facts and can backup its claims with evidence. You wouldn't want to be convicted in court based solely on theoretical evidence? What you and the others who follow this cult is just that. You expect us to convict our government based only on stuff that you yourself couldn't be tried on in court. One problem with people like Mr.AJ is that his stories are based on commentary, his perception of the truth. Just like Catholics and Christians both follow the bible, each has there own interpretations of it. This allows Mr.AJ to selectively pick between truth and fiction to make up a theory. And its not just limited to him... Bill O'rielly, Anderson Cooper, Glenn Beck are all guilty of it too.. There news is based off there believes on how something went down. Commentary = no real accountability, and thats all these stories are. Its almost like whispering in a person ear who has depression to "cut yourself". Thoughts are planted in peoples heads with very little or no evidence to real facts only opinions and opinions of opinions.

It is rare that any one story will post the truth on anything. However when you make claims that our government is plotting against its own people thats some serious claim you got there. You better be stating facts, not commentary. Most of us could care less how one person thinks it happened.

When you talk about CIA operations that are now declassified your best bet is to post the real deal hard facts. Why? Because anyone with a brain should not take such claims at there word. Go look up the actual declassified reports and READ them.. You like to bring up that they where gonna shoot down aircraft, but what you always leave out is that the aircraft was to be a drone. And 9/11 conspiracies have been debunked over and over with actual facts. Yet you choose not to pay any attention to them because it goes against your beliefs/religion.. Its not only been done by the government but also by many independent investigations, and you always come up with the same story to refute a cross examination regardless.


Some food for thought:

If fire can't melt or warp steel due to heat, then why is metal fireproofed?

You assume that the term "Pull it" means demo a building because you are told it does.. But how many demo people to you actually know and have asked? I've done some work for a company in New England that is into demolition, I know this answer, do you?

Why are there allot of anonymous sources in conspiracy stories?

Out of all the people who saw flight 77 fly by and hit the pentagon, why do theorist always choose to quote the guy that was 2+ miles away? Or the one with his back turned?

I dont "assume" anything when someone says "pull it" & dont say Pull them or pull the firefighters out then yeah im gonna say CD because thats the term CD experts used I have been around and have talked to demolition experts on that word so its my word against yours, buddy..and dont "assume" everyones bong like.....I still have yet heard anything that proves the Governement Official THEORY. maybe with your wisdom you can point it out instead a pasting a website that takes me to pop-up land

I'm not gonna sit here and say the government didn't dot every "I" and cross every "t". Sure mistakes where made in it, but a mistake is not an admission of guilt. Whatever I put up that refutes your conspiracy claims you just ignore. I put the actual Northwoods and Mongoose reports up. If you goto any Alex Jones site he mentions them in ways that are not true because whatever information he got about those subjects he got from the same reports I showed you. You need to put 2 + 2 together. Maybe I can't prove our government correct, but i've put more then enough up to prove conspiracy's are even more absurd. Go watch the screw loose change, what are you afraid of? While it doesn't defend the actions of our governments report it definitely shows how people who Deny 9/11 was a legitimate attack twist stuff around and take things out of context.

Our government was busy at the time looking for more high tech attacks such as nukes and WMD that it overlooked the simple. And never before have passenger aircraft been used the way they where that day and for some reason you are surprised by that? When you go up against the highest funded military in the world you need to be crafty. 15 hijackers or about that? Don't tell me there still alive and well, that myth is debunked. Anyways, 15 one way tickets is still cheaper then buying 4 ICBMs.. which is basically what they turned those planes into.


Why not stage an event that didn't kill Americans? I'm sure there's a morgue out there full of homeless people if they needed the corpses for a photo op as proof. And if its a tyranny, why not just go attack without a cause? Why make one up? Iran is screaming the Holocaust didn't happen and that Israel should be wiped from the face of the earth... Who needs a false flag anything when this guy sells a future war himself? No flase flag to put combat boots on the ground in Bosnia in the 90's.

I sure wish we'd had a proper investigation into 9-11, without, for sum odd reason hindering from the bush regime i wonder why they did that hmmmm....Ol Condi the USAma clocks ticking or is that bomb thats ticking...ZimZum i think you should write Condi and tell her that its past Due Time for that evidence..............

If The glove doesnt fit, you must acquit..im sure the bush regime can used that for them ignoring all the pre-warnings maybe they just turn their heads and let it happen, thats much more criminal then making it happen...Oh dear, Condi we've never knew they would fly planes into buildings-lol---I guess they can just put a passport on top of the WTC rubble to make look good...Oh yeah they were having on-going WarGames that day involving flying planes into building, what a Coincidence!.....Now go find them facts zimzum but whatever you do dont go looking for facts about the governments official story, just dont do it

We dont need no more falseflags they got there PNAC war on the right track

Global guardian? Too bad that is a known about yearly activity NORAD conducted.. Wouldn't you gather as much intelligence on your enemy first to make your first strike have optimal effect? Do the attack while an exercise is being conducted and it only adds to the chance of success.


Pre 9/11 NORAD's only role was to protect American soil from foreign attacks. And after the cold war ended, took heavy budget cuts. There radar systems where only monitoring flights coming into the US. They didn't monitor domestic flights because it wasn't thought of that enemy aircraft would takeoff and land from our own soil. If the aircraft was hijacked while flying over the ocean, or Russia was sending over a fleet of bombers, then they would have had plenty of time to scramble jets to intercept. Even if NORAD somehow got a stand down order it wasn't there duty to begin with, and by the time the did locate those flight it would have been too late.. just like what happened that morning. When you talk about NORAD and 9/11 its like comparing the FCC to asteroid monitoring or the US coast guard to mountain rescue.

History of NORAD

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Global guardian? Too bad that is a known about yearly activity NORAD conducted.. Wouldn't you gather as much intelligence on your enemy first to make your first strike have optimal effect? Do the attack while an exercise is being conducted and it only adds to the chance of success.



History of NORAD

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Yeah i guess you can buy that old line since we have such a wonderful, do no wrong government at the helm....hell the way them hijackers flew them planes around even the one that hit the pentagon(the most secure area in the U.S.) anything is possible.......
Screw Loose Change EXPOSED

I'm not saying our government is perfect or has a halo over there head, but some of these things just simply are not true. Nixon and Watergate, only a small group of people even knew about that. Less then 12? But someone got pissed off and spoke out.. Where is your modern day "Deep Throat"? 9/11 would have taken allot more people then simply bugging a hotel room, you can't keep a big secret like that for long. Even the Mafia had its rats.

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Screw Loose Change EXPOSED

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This is a fake blog. Took me some time to figure it out (until I read the user comments).. then I went to the real blog. Screw Loose Change Apparently AJ had a hissy fit on his show when someone called in about the fake blog.. Again, check your facts before assuming its true.


Wednesday, March 14, 2007
The Blogger Is Always the Last To Know

Looks like I've repented my Debunker ways and have become a 9-11 Denier, according to this new blog:

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It's a new day for this Brainster. For those of you who haven't heard already, James and I have decided to go separate ways. I wish him luck. We had a great run with Screw Loose Change, made a lot of waves, shook up the Internet, but, due a difference of opinion about approach, this is for the best.

I know this blog appears to be attacking my roots. Well, I guess it is, but not the mission of exposing the propaganda, but the MEANS we used. It seemed reasonable at first, all's fair in love and war, as they say. But then we lost our way, drifting from exposing "Loose Change" and it's distortions, that now even the creator's admit, to attacking any 911 truther for any reason whatsoever.

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This comes as news to me; I guess the shrink was right when he said I have a split personality disorder. ;)

Actually, of course, this is exactly the same as the fake Nico Haupt blog; somebody's impersonating me for their own idiotic purposes.

A bunch of the Deniers have fallen for this gag, including Paul Joseph Watson of Prison Planet.

Update: We got mentioned on Alex Jones' show when a caller mentioned this post. Jones went off on a rambling talk about how he didn't want to come to the Phoenix conference but they wheedled him into it, then whined when he cancelled. Jones also claimed that we must be behind the fake blog, that this was some sort of way of getting attention. He also seemed quite depressed, which of course cheered me up to no end.