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Well thanks I kinda got a little angry....but I really feel like my rights for treatment are being violated and when I see someone trying to justify the very laws I am fighting simply because "it is THE law or to have someone use the Bible against weed as if it is a sin, I see red. Its just not right.
People think medical marijuana is legal but it isn't sick people are still being arrested because of federal law and that kind of talk does nothing to help our cause. Ya know?
You've got a pretty warped interpretation of the sermon on the mount man... Why do you always feel the need to open your mouth and make all agnostic/athesists look like complete assholes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
We all know where you stand, because your means of getting there are pretty simplistic. Just sit in the corner and let the adults talk huh?
And Haze, do you even know what you mean when you say "bible-believing" christian? I don't. Maybe the christians do, but are you thinking the same thing? This just seems like a case of you trying to tell people what they believe, and it seems you might be wrong...
I have never heard anyone say that the government is committing a sin by asking us not to smoke. I do understand the Bible says obey the laws of the land and I do understand the government says it's not right to smoke marijuana. But if God really exists then come on. God is not going to create a plant and then create human and tell him to take care of the land and harvest the yield or maintain the garden if it wasn't meant for us to discover consuming the weed". Every plant has it's purpose and it seems to me as times goes on they keep finding more beneficial things to happen to us when we "consume" cannabis. So it's obvious what ever it's purpose has, we have to consume the chemicals in the plant in order to benefit from it. Like I said before, if the stories of the Bible are true and Cannabis was forbidden plant it'd be hidden from the world as the Tree of Life was or Tree of Knowledge, or Good and Evil. Which ever one it was. I mean when you think of how natural bud is you'll realize there is nothing wrong with consuming it. I mean come on, the bud comes off of a freggin branch or "stem", it can't get anymore natural than that. Maybe smoking is bad, I don't argue with this. If there was nothing wrong with it I wouldn't suffer smoke-related health problems. But there is nothing at all wrong with consuming it by eating it or something of that nature. If God could give us a direct message today he'd tell us to stop the non-sense, ban your guns..not my creations. I put this here for you, why do you dislike my gift of love?
BLUECAT... make sure you read the whole thread before you tear into someone. i stated earlier that marijuana for medicinal purposes is a different issue! also, i addressed the difference between civil disobedience if the government is asking you to commit an immoral act or if they are asking you to refrain from a recreational habit. medicinal and religious uses of it are a different story which i said earlier... SO DON"T BE SO QUICK TO FLIP OUT UNTIL YOU HAVE READ THE WHOLE THREAD!!!! don't read one line and assume you know the other page and a half of discussions!!!
second, don't say i am judging cause i am not... i am trying to have a mature discussion which includes challenging ideas! i don't think there is anything wrong with marijuana.. i never said there was and i am not saying anyone is evil here for smoking. i am a christian and i smoke... sooooo chillllllllllllllllllllllllll.
i am just asking a question to a particular group of people who function in a particular vein of society.. "bible believing/following" christian in the mainstream sense of the word!!!! i agree with all of your thinking but i am trying to find if there is anyone from the other way of thinking on here for discussions!!! i use to be from the "bible believing/following" vein. i still believe in jesus and the wisdom of the bible now, just not in the mainstream sense of the definition, which obviously you don't either, which is cool. i am not asking your opinion as mine is already the same!!!! ok...
obviously, there is not anyone from that vein on here as everyone who has answered was from a more postmodern paradigm, not surprisingly. oooh.. don't take that as an insult bluecat, as i am of a postmodern paradigm... dont just assume it is a slam!
Umm, I'm just reading what the words say. Jesus says to not resist evil, and to do what you are compelled to do, does he not? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
Sorry for being an atheist who critiques religion. :confused:Quote:
Why do you always feel the need to open your mouth and make all agnostic/athesists look like complete assholes?
Hazetwostep, When you begin a post with asking for "only Bible believing Christains" and you ask that we JUSTIFY smoking weed and you state that the Bible clearly states that to disobey the law of the land is to disobey God.
Maybe it is your wording of the post but you can't possible make a statement like that AND NOT expect to ruffle some feathers. Trust me I read this thread and your comment about MM.That does not change the opening statement.
First you are isolating yourself into "only Bible believing Christains" as if no one elses word means anything.And really are their Christains that don't believe in the Bible? How is that possible? I can understand believing in God and not the Bible but then you would not be a Christian. Christianity is based on the Bible. So you will have to explain that statement to me please because frankly I DON'T GET IT.
Second I don't believe we should separate medical weed from recreational weed. If you believe in God then why wouldn't you believe he made weed for us to use and we HAVE used it for many things until the latter 20th century leaders decided they wanted to control it.
It is this kind of talk...that leads people to beleive marijuana is a bad thing. we are trying so hard to get it legalized so that kind of talk does not help matters and it is just plain silly. Geez Orangeman said it perfectly in his post. Many other posters here seem to get it. It makes no sense to even suggest weed is sinful or that mans law is right. It is everyones God given right to use weed.
So maybe you need to rephrase your question or explain a little better the point you are trying to make here. :)
You do understand why simply calling something stupid may not constitute a valid critique, don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Does the bible say it's wrong to smoke? I think we need to be sober. If your heart and soul is in the Lord, I think you'll be ok.
Believing in another God is like being drunk.
sorry bluecat if my wording put you on the defensive. it is too bad that a simple question stirs defensiveness, instead of friendly and civil dialougue. i can't say that i blame you as weed smoking christians are not overly accepted in the larger christian community.
as far as your interpretation of my directing a question at a particular group of people means that nobody elses opinion counts, well, you couldn't be further off. i am directing it at a particular group of people because it is their answer that i am most curious about. people who are not literalists in biblical interpretation breeze by the question by personal opinion, which is totally fine, but are answers i could have come up with on my own. my interest is for a particular way of thinking. asking non-bible believing (in the mainstream literalist sense of the term) christians is of no gain as any opinion is good enough. i am researching the perspective of literalists so focusing my question is a necessity, as i am looking for biblical backing.
as far as asking about christians who do not believe in the bible... please listen... I SAID FROM A MAINSTREAM LITERALIST PERSPECTIVE which is very different that those who believe in the bible as a general guide and not as god's inerent and infallible word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! people who pick and choose what is valid and what isn't doesn't help me. i am looking for valid scriptural backing as to how people get around the biblical text as it over and over again gives "commands" about obeying the law of the land and authority. i am not a literalist anymore so that is why i need to ask literalists. i look at it as a general guide, but not law/rules. so i once again dont need to hear from people of my same perspective, i want to hear from others so i can grow and learn. if that means to you that other people's perspectives don't matter at all, well, then you should probably ignore this thread as it is "close minded."
as far as your opinion that medical and recreational weed should not be seperated... well that i disagree simply because medical uses are completely different that entertainment/recreational uses. i do not think that recreational should be banned, but regulated differently than medical mj.... but guess what? this thread is not for that discussion, but i would be happy to discuss it with you in another thread if you begin it, but please not here.
lastly to your post... i made no statement that marijuana is a sin... please read my posts carefully. i am not asking about the substance itself being immoral as it is not and there is no sound, clear, or distinct law against it. i am talking about the immorality that would be associated with disobeying of authority. there is no clear biblical backing that would associate marijuana with immorality, but a pretty strong arguement can be made about the fact that it is against the law in this country and disobeying the law is immoral. i am not looking for asnwers like, well it shouldn't be against the law so it is fine... i am looking to see if anyone has biblically sound backing to navigate around the issue of disobeying authority as immorality... NOT WEED BEING IMMORAL so it is not putting the fight to legalize back at all as it should be legalized so that this issue of immorality from disobedience is no longer an issue!
i will try to be more clear in my posts (though i don't know how much more clear it could be when i stated the exact group i was addressing, and if you are in that group the question would not be so confusing)... maybe you could work on reading posts and the entire thread a little more so that i don't need to repeat myself so many times and talk to people who the thread was no even directed toward.. as it is pretty safe to assume that you are not a biblical literalist as "weed shouldn't be illegal therefor it is fine, is not a biblically backed opinion and certainly not a literalist comment.
thanks...
passthatshit,
no the bible says nothing about smoking being wrong. the main scriptures used to fight the use of marijuana or smoking of any sort are related to the following...
1. your body is the temple and should not be intentionally injured (As smoke does hurt); though to be fair this would need to cover everything like that including over-eating, eating processed sugars, sun tanning, etc. making it a very weak arguement)
2. the bible says that your body should not come under the control of any substance or person other than yourself (which they associate being high as falling under this; then again caffeine could just as easily fall under this as it is the widest used psychotropic drug)
3. any addiction is shunned in the bible and as some become psychologically addicted to THC, hence its "sin"; though christians arguing this have some serious justifying of the caffeine addictions of so many christians... "caffeine is the choice drug of christians"
hear me again
jesus said
"it is not what goes into the mouth of the man that defileth him, but what comes out of the mouth that defileth the man."
he was speaking in reference to cannabis eaters