question about hell...

See one thing that bugged me is that, God created everything. Then god declared what was right and what was wrong. So killing in his opinion was wrong, so if you kill --- no heaven. Or a better one, if you have sex b4 your married ---n o heaven. Or the best, if you touch yourself-------NO heaven (black sin)

So why did god create us and the universe in such away that we desire what we are not supposto do? God knows all and controls all, so he did this on purpose so why?

Why did he choose to torment his greatest achievement?

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So why did god create us and the universe in such away that we desire what we are not supposto do? God knows all and controls all, so he did this on purpose so why?

Why did he choose to torment his greatest achievement?

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Those questions have been beat to death, and someone who has their minds set on that being the way it is, is never going to say 'yeah, that's not exactly rational, is it?"

But to understand those questions, you have to understand the times, the purpose of religion as an early form of Government and crowd control, etc.

If you go from the assumption that it is all literal, you'll never see a rational answer to them. But if you go from the perspective that these are the things that the culture who came up with this stuff was trying to accomplish, suddenly it all starts clicking into place.

Oh, and expect a lot of hostility from the buddies g/f if you confront her on her beliefs. It's human nature.

hell is a real place it is located smack dab right in the fucking middle of sandusky ohio

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Originally Posted by harris7

See one thing that bugged me is that, God created everything. Then god declared what was right and what was wrong. So killing in his opinion was wrong, so if you kill --- no heaven. Or a better one, if you have sex b4 your married ---n o heaven. Or the best, if you touch yourself-------NO heaven (black sin)

So why did god create us and the universe in such away that we desire what we are not supposto do? God knows all and controls all, so he did this on purpose so why?

Why did he choose to torment his greatest achievement?

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Harris, I think I see your point of view. God is evil and you are righteous. That is logic in your mind right?

Why? Why? Why?

He will provide the answers to your questions.

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Originally Posted by Hamlet

Those questions have been beat to death, and someone who has their minds set on that being the way it is, is never going to say 'yeah, that's not exactly rational, is it?"

But to understand those questions, you have to understand the times, the purpose of religion as an early form of Government and crowd control, etc.

If you go from the assumption that it is all literal, you'll never see a rational answer to them. But if you go from the perspective that these are the things that the culture who came up with this stuff was trying to accomplish, suddenly it all starts clicking into place.

Oh, and expect a lot of hostility from the buddies g/f if you confront her on her beliefs. It's human nature.

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Hamlet, I do realize these aren’t particularly original questions. It’s just another literal inconsistency in the bible.
Still, to some they should be troubling. And as you said they will never agree, look at Pass that shit. I find that troubling

First off! Since I am an atheist I have no assumptions on the bible. I work my arguments on the assumptions of others. Hamlet, even though we both agree it is ridiculous some people believe the bible to be literally the word of god. My personal reasons for not believing are a mix between the concepts in the bible I find problems with, and the lack of reason to believe**. By lack or reason I mean that there are no convincing reasons to believe.

Trust me, I understand the “times” Christianity is possibly the best method of control over a population that you cannot control physically. Now we use the media for the same purpose. See Chomsky’s book “necessary illusions”. I also find intrest in other less obvious “teachings” in the bible which served the public very well back then. Big fancy supernatural reasons why we shouldn’t kill, or steal, or why we should drink booze. As booze as the safest drink in most places. AS the bacteria used to create it kills off pathogenic bacteria. Interesting shit

Oh and everyone reacts when you question their beliefs.
That is why we should do it ourselves

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

Harris, I think I see your point of view. God is evil and you are righteous. That is logic in your mind right?
He will provide the answers to your questions.

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You will never understand my point of view.

Thought I would chime in here and give my opinion.
1. Hell is a real place
2. Hell is hot and you don't want to go there.
3. Hell is not run by Satan.
4. Hell is not a party pad where all the "bad" people go to play.

I also would like to add another point here. God crushed his own son because of sin. If God really sent his OWN SON to earth to die for sins, Why would you think that he wouldn't send you to hell? If God didn't spare his own son, why would we think he wouldn't do that to us?

Once again my usual disclaimer here. I apologize to anyone I may have offended that was not my intention. Peace....:jointsmile:

It depends on your religious beliefs as to if HELL exsists or not.
My bible says HADES not HELL.
Hell was an actual place not a spititual place out side of the city walls where the city garbage was dumped as well as where people went to take a dump.
then again some people say THIS is hell and you have to work your way out.
Aren't you glad that god loved you enough to make a place to send you to be tourchered for eternity if you dont listen? I sure am.
Thanks GOD you sadistic prick!

I think you should lay off the peyody for a w:jointsmile: hile lol

1. While alive on earth, one can only commit a finite number of crimes
2. "Hell", or any similar place, is infinite punishment
3. Infinite punishment for finite number of crimes is clearly unjust

All these monks thousands of years ago wanked too much and alll their hair fell out. Some of it landed on a match that one of the monks had just used to light his lantern but failed to extinguish properly, and it all went up in flames. A terrible catastrophe it was, it is written in the lost books that they called this period the catachasm, for many years and many fires burned the ground and people starved and died of malnur. In the end one man was left standing, his name was Satan and by god I tell you he was one evil bastard. He still is! But now he lives roughly a hundred km under the ground somewhere off the coast of the Pentasula. No-one has seen the clown for several generations, he prefers to stay down below in the furnace of hell, oh yeah its just a place like any other, but its under da ground and its too hot for ya ass, y'all don't go there hear.