Way to Prove Christianity wrong
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Originally Posted by UnitedWeFall
I love you so much right now. Haha, nah.
But seriously, I have never heard anyone put it so well before. Gah, your post makes me so angry, yet so happy that I myself am Christian and know exactly what you mean :D
I really don't give a crap if what I believe is wrong. The point is, it makes me happy, and it helps me to make the right choices in life. I'm only 18 and yet I have already accepted life for what it is, and am no longer scared of dying.
Believing in Christianity makes life so much more liveable.
Keep this view and your faith can't help but to grow in the right direction. In this crazy world you need an anchor to help keep you steady in the storms of life. Even Atheist have there unbelief as an anchor to help them to fight a possible fear of an all mighty God that might judge them for every thought and action ever made from the smallest to the biggest, from the most loving to the most hateful. And it also helps them to make since of the world as they have experienced it, and life experience makes up our belief systems up more than truth does IMO, and this is unfortunate at the same time.
Adieu
Way to Prove Christianity wrong
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Originally Posted by HeartCore
Where am I off? The story of Jesus happened at least 15 times in the 2000 years preceeding the man which really proofs, at least to me, its a myth.
Early christianity is basically a set of stolen pagan principles. In many instances, the entire story was shamelessly copied with only the name of the main actor changed to Jesus. This has nothing to do with the book of job at all. You would be right if the life of Jesus as presented in the new testament, would be in the book of Job, detailed. SInce it isnt there's not way these stories could have come from the book of job.
Please enlighen me and let me know where I am off ;)
Where are you off? Hmm it is apparent IMO that you make it a practice to read anti Christian literature in a significant amount, or you seem to focus on those arguments that would over throw the validity of Christianity and the bible. I guess that this is fairly normal once a person takes a dislike to Christianity, since typically people seem to be threatened by Christianity more than any other religion for many reasons, and some being quite valid considering that particular persons lifestyle, or radical forms of Christianity that do harm people and nations which should be seen as a significant threat.
Hmm, I guess that I will start frequenting this board a little more because it seems rather amusing.
Well, do you believe in Alexander the Great, Socrates, Buda or any other significant personage in history that are BC? Well, a widely spread fact amongst historians both secular and religious , Christian and other is that the existence of Jesus as a historical personage aside from his Powers, relation to God and so on is considered a historical fact. Reason, historians of the period in which Jesus lived who documented many things about that period in history aside from Jesus, who they only mentioned in insignificant portions of their larger notable historical works were able to document enough things about the existence of Jesus to well establish his life. This is known as extra biblical information.
When studying history don't be mislead by reading 2 or 3 books that try to take apart a premise, theory or fact on a subject that has impacted the world more than any other event and think that the author of that book has the all end facts on the topic. That would seem to be very non analytical for a person of your intellectual capacity who seems to attempt to grasp the most profound premises with the ut most regard to the logistical factors of a argument.
Adieu, out of time for now, but not out of thoughts
Way to Prove Christianity wrong
Let's rewind a few thousand years (more I know). There is not science like we knot it, there is not knowledge like we know it, everything was undiscovered. Religions (any and all) were designed to answer all of life's really hard questions and give people the answers they DESPERATELY needed. They had no way of figuring out these questions and this was the best guess they could come up with. People needed something to believe in. Religion was designed to regulate society. Live your life this way, or you're going to hell. Don't steal, lie, or cheat or you're going to hell.
The Bible is a history book. A damn good one and a good read but not much more than that. It tells very very vague stories about what may or may not have happened back then. Just like how humans evolved to be the dominant life form on earth, the Bible evolved to be the single most influential thing as to how most people live their lives. Why? Because a mythical figure snapped his figures, said let there be light, and there was Adam? Life began in a garden? PLEASE!!! By allowing yourselves to believe that this is where came from and this is how we got here you're insulting the human race and the capability of the human brain!! Logic, science, truth, facts. Concrete evidence. True or false. Reality. Do these words mean anything to anyone? The world has changed in the last 2000 years....wake up!!!!!
In another 2000 years we'll be CREATING humans out of raw materials we made in a lab...and God will be a brand of space age ice cream....and we'll still celebrate Christmas because we get presents not because of Jesus....
The purpose of life is to obtain self satisfaction, prosperity and passing on your legacy, not Heaven or Hell. The smartest people in the world will (and have) pass/ed religion by and discover things that are factual and have bearing in TODAY's world, NOT a prehistoric one...and religion will slowly fade away as another "apocalypse" passes or when the "day of reckoning" comes and passes without a ripple. Actually that is not true. Religion will be around as long as there are people that still believe in it. Racists still live in America because their parents before them believed in life that way and that is what was taught. As intelligence and the thirst for knowledge takes over as time goes on, however, the MYTHS will die!
I could ramble on for about 30 years on this topic but a lot of my fellow dope smoking members of CANN.COM have pretty much pwned!! (props to Oneironau)
And Spirit Level...you said this...
"... turn ur 2 dimensional triangle featuring religion, philosophy and science at its walls and add depth and height (3 dimensions) [sphere]
religion and science and philosophy don't fit the tru equation, but hopefully u can see how mathematics over anything else rules but not as we think..."
First off, you can't add height to a 2-dimensional object its already there ;) Lenght x Height? That's 2 dimensions... can't have 2 heights :thumbsup: And how would you turn it?
Second off, you said fit the true equation? What equation? You rambled for a few minutes talking half-heartedly kind-of sort of about imposing an equilateral triangle in a perfect circle and then making the the circle a sphere enclosing the triangle inside?
Third...you were talking smack on a different thread because a fellow dope smoker went to college for engineering. You scolded him for subjecting himself to academia and the governments twisted plot to mold us and what not and all we did was try and explain to you how mathematics was always true? In response we got some beefed up, thesaraus charged speech that really made no sense at all, even though it was a great attempt at using big words! Now you're defending mathematics on this thread? SO are you bipolar or did you see that we were right before and math really isn't so devilish?
PS: Jesus existed. And he was dark skinned. And he was probably schizophranic and no one knew it because they didn't know what it was then. Yeah, I know. God doesn't exist. Okay? Good!
Way to Prove Christianity wrong
Alchemy=primative chemistry
Astrology=primative Astronomy
Numerology=primative Mathematics
Religion=primative Government
I have no problem with any relgion that anyone wants to practice personally, except when that relgion demands that I'm going to get it rammed down my throat and I'm going to have to live by their imposed morals and rules.
Worship Elvis for all I care but don't be trying to teach our children mysticism instead of science, or getting laws passed that dictate how everyone else must live within the edicts of a particular relgious credo.
If Christians were actually practicing the 'red letter' parts, instead of the new Faldwellian NeoInquisition, there would never be a controversy or any debate.
Geez, turn off Pat Robertson, open the Book, read it for yourselves and leave everyone else alone.
A wiseman once said 'I have no problem with God. It's his fanclub that scares the shit out of me!'
Way to Prove Christianity wrong
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Originally Posted by graymatter
I'm no fan of christianity... but what constitutes "happiness" in your opionion?
If your happenings are not happening the way you want your happenings to happen, your unhappy. ...But If your happenings are happening the way you want your happenings to happen....your happy.
1st Brad Ch 2 vs 3 - 4.
Way to Prove Christianity wrong
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Originally Posted by Hempstone
Actually, you are wrong. Jesus tells us "The Kingdom of Heaven is WITHIN YOU!" Contemplate that. We are to store up our treasures not on earth but in Heaven and where our treasure is there our heart is also. So if we store our treasures in Heaven and our heart resides there that is to say the Kingdom of Heaven is within us, we go there where the Most High God lives and reigns and Jesus sits at the right hand of God. We seek that Spiritual center. The more you know this, the more you know God, in THIS life, HERE on Earth. That is why we pray we are to pray that God's will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
Interesting connections you made there Hemp, I like that. It brings every thing back to His residence internally. This aspect of the kingdom has fascinated me for some time now. If investments are made somewhere on our part, a treasure will accumulate. Considering the fact that our treasure will be where our investments have been made, makes it clear that our hearts will be there.
..."Where your treasure is there your heart will be also".
From this it is appropriate to conclude.....If our affections are off somewhere in our lives......re: our spouses, Kids, anything,.....all that is needed is to begin making investments again, and we can conclude that our heart will follow. For our investments will be there and the resultant treasure also.
These investments always come back with considerable interest. The returned rewards are worth ever penny. Not just for us but concider the other involved. This is so good and so simple.
Peace Hemp
His by the way.
Way to Prove Christianity wrong
Beliefs are dangerous. Faith, on the other hand, is a whole 'nother ball of wax:
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"Faith is a state of openness or trust. To have faith is to trust yourself to the water. When you swim you don't grab hold of the water, because if you do you will sink and drown. Instead you relax, and float. And the attitude of faith is the very opposite of clinging to belief, of holding on. In other words, a person who is fanatic in matters of religion, and clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the universe, becomes a person who has no faith at all. Instead they are holding tight. But the attitude of faith is to let go, and become open to truth, whatever it might turn out to be." ~Alan Watts
Way to Prove Christianity wrong
I hate christianity. That is a perversion of the truth if there ever was one. Jesus Christ himself said that the glory goes to the father. Why then does the apostle paul insist we worship him as a pagan sacrafice? Hmm, let's think about that for a minute... oh probably because Christianity replaced the Roman Empire's original paganism. Still, Christianity retains much of what is found in Mithraism and Paganism. The very notion of a God sacraficing his Divine Son for mine and your sins, is a direct reflection of Paganism. Also, Christianity contradicts what is found in the Torah (old testament ) , somewhere in leviticus where it is written that one should not offer his son as an offering for the lord. Why is that written? According to Jewish tradition, it is because the pagan tribes of the land would sacrafice their sons and daughters for their pagan gods, and Yahweh wanted no part of that in his religion.
Why do christians worship on Sunday, when the original sabbath was saturday? Answer: Because the pagan church used to worship on Sunday, before they all believed in Jesus Christ.
Also, the very notion of God as a 3 - part trinity ; when it is written "Sh'mah yisrael, adonai eloheinu adonai echad" --hebrew for "Hear, O israel! the lord your God, the lord is one" several times in the original Hebrew Tanach; this notion is entirely conflicting with the basic ideas of monotheism.
Interesting enough, the "holy spirit" is thought to be the angel Gabriel by Muslims.
It's very easy to prove christianity wrong, if you do your homework you will be surprised.
Way to Prove Christianity wrong
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Originally Posted by afghooey
Beliefs are dangerous. Faith, on the other hand, is a whole 'nother ball of wax:
I am not sure what you are trying to say.
I find Mr. Watts logic stange. The things that we can have faith in are those things that are easiest to hold on to. Using water as a metophor....I can hold onto faith in thick Ice to support my weight. If I chose to let go of that trueth and venture out on to the thin Ice....I will drown by faith..I have faith in the thick Ice....I think I'll hold to that.
I also have faith in God's grasp of me, not in my grasp of Him, by my own ability.
I find these very different. It would be interesting to see where Mr. Watts goes with this logic. I am not sure If I were to follow his metophor, that I would like where the river dumped me out.
Way to Prove Christianity wrong
You can't always read too far into metaphors. They're not literal, after all. ;)
But the metaphor specifically was comparing beliefs to liquid water, not solid ice. And it works as such-- beliefs aren't tangible things, they're not as easily grasped in the same way that logic and reason are. Treating them as such, holding onto them like facts or trying to prove them in order to justify them, is like trying to grab hold of water for support.
Having ideas about god and the universe is one thing. Clinging obstinately to them and denying all other possibilities is another.
