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yes i do sometimes wen i am having alot of bad times and i want somone to talk to, all of my friends are atheist and so is my brother who is like my role model, and that doesnt effect me at all, because i will do my own thing and not follow the crowd
and no i am not a jesus freak other, i go to church like once in 1-2months
oneironaut......You are attempting to use logic and reason and rationality to frame something that walks thru walls.
To say that atheism is not a Religion, is just to deceive your self. Atheism has an established view as it relates to the prospect of a God, atheist have there own established Eschatology. I really don't have time to address all that you propose, simply by the statements you make.
You said, Quote: "Atheism is not a religion. It is nothing more than the lack
.....................of a belief in gods. A religion is a structured belief system about the supernatural.
.......................If atheism is a religion, then clear is a color".
Look you snare your self with your own statements,.......You HAVE a structured belief system about the supernatural. You are passionate as it relates to your religion. You have clearly defined parameters.......Come On!!!
Agnostics on the other hand, as far as any I know, are not, they also by definition, are indifferent to the matters of a God or not. They fit your definition of the clear color. Those I have known,.... have no interest in the Spiritual forum. What are you doing here?
I hope this helps, I hope you will be honest with this fact. I hope you do for your own well being. When you accept the fact that you have your own "brand" of religion. You will find your self more appropriately humbled, as we all should be.
Your ridicule of others will stop by default (or should). For you would then be able to see, your hypocrisy. Basically of doing the vary thing to others that you despise of them..........It's unbelievable. ......Ok, check this out......The ridicule of loft pious religious People. .........pause for a minute here.......
The ridicule of lofty pious religious people....... Ok? are you with me?
What are you?
..........Lofty?
..........Pious in your arrogance?.
..........Religious.......absolutely.
Are Lights coming on?
.......I am sorry, This is hard news. ....This will free you to live better than you know. I have had to hear my own....well, I have endured my own pain of correction. I enjoy life more, What I realize now is that life is better than I thought. Or that my previous paradigm allowed.
I am not trying to ridicule you here....I am rebuking yours. I have already quickly stopped Christians from rudeness on atheist threads. None of them displayed such arrogant stupidity on your threads as I have seen of you and and Breuk here.
Where do the two of you fit on the scale of prideful arrogant mocking.....religious hypocrites?
Think about for a while.....
God resist the Proud but Gives Grace to the humble.
I'm having to reevaluate the time I spend here. I have a lot going on.
I genuinely care for every one here. I have been thinking alot lately about how I may be influencing some that have absolutely no business messing around with the obvious. Especially on the "Sin" thread.
Oneironaut, I have some encouragement, The lord always gave some good news with the hard news. I do see something in you that really does want to know. I don't know your back ground or history. Breuk said some time ago that people are born atheist......which is bullshit. We all have a God shaped place in us. just as you of course do too.
Jesus said "Where your treasure is there your heart will be also".
Stop making investments of your time in your atheist poisonous material,
Your heart (affections) will follow you investments.
You haven't read the Bible, or checked out some good books,
I don't have time now, but I will post a thread I guess.
Chuck your atheist dictionary It will continue to poison. Look at it, It full of mocking ridicule, It is rife with SHIT. You will know things by it's fruit
Rat poison is only 5% poison by volume....this is much much more, and is doing you No good.
.............."What we behold..... we become"
and another,
............."When we see him, we will be like Him, for we shall See Him as He is...
I should already be off, actually I had no business getting on other than getting with you.
Take care, It get's better from here.
Some will take issue with my use of therm Eschatology. It is a Christian term, and I'll leave it at:
Clearly defined parameters.
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.I would like to apologize, oneironaut. I read your first few sentences on your first repsonse And I responded right from there. Not reading the rest of the post, I just continued on in my own presumtions.
When I did finally read, I felt very uncomfortable with what I had said, I got back out of bed for damage control.I admire your honesty, I can easily say from what I have seen from you here, that your humility displays well, Mercy and Grace follow Humility. I can send you some material that Is very good, I beleive you would really like. I lumped you in with somebody. The mail went to the wrong box. You are reading the Bible, Koran, etc....You are on a search. This seach was initiated from above. I will invest in you. I can send books, music whatever with donations to the bourds, if they forward. I'm way tired I hope this is inteligible. The thing about this material, is that something in you say's YEAH when you here it, These prepare you for the downloads. It's wonderful, they will come in the morning, The last stages before you awaker that will come in, when we are still and open.... I lay on my bed on my back, buck ass naked. I ask him to fill me.
I experence oooh gosh many different things from my ears ringing almost, when this happens I can hear people talking from across the room, there voices thu soft has such definition, and there are many many many other times and ways he does things.
Some time when you are ready, use your words hawever you want to put it.
But ask him to fill you with the holy spirit.
I took a powerful sleep aid its best I stop
Hey ......whats the longest consecutive post?
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Braddog-
I was just wondering what your opinion is reagarding my situation.
I grew up in a household that wasn't very religious but they all believed in the Bible and Christianity and all of that good stuff. As a child, I went to church two times a week and was involved in a Bible study group known as AWANA. I deeply believed everything I was told to be true in that Baptist church, and basically it just made me scared that I was going to hell unless I behaved just like all the adults around me. I really looked up to those people for some time until I got older and realized they all had problems and were all sinning just as much as everyone I knew who didn't go to church.
This observation started making me question the validity of the Christian faith. I guess my young mind couldn't comprehend why people who preach love, peace, goodwill toward man, marital fidelity, abstinence from stealing, not taking the Lord's name in vain, etc...would also be capable of ignoring most everything they claimed to deeply believe when they were not in church. I figured that maybe some other religion held the answers. Or perhaps maybe it was just the Baptist's who were wrong. Now I was only about 12 or 13 at this time, but I guess this initial immature thought lead to a deep investigation of most of the world's religions and my decision to major in Philosophy while in college.
After trying different denominations within the Christian faith, attending a few Hindu worship services with some Indian mates, reading the Quran and listening to my Lebanese friend explain it to me during late-night talks at the Sunoco he worked at, coming to Asia and viewing Buddhist temples, while all the while reading about and trying to comprehend the major tenets of the world's religions, I came to the conclusion and belief that religion IS useful but only as a framework and that books such as the Bible, Quran, the Vedas, etc. should not be taken literally but used as a sort of foundation upon which to build the virtues preached within each of the respective books.
I have read these books with an open mind, but something inside me cannot accept some of the more mystical statements. I am unable to logically understand how any of these religions could be completely true word for word. I believe that the most important thing we can learn from these religions are the major tenets that they all preach---i.e., don't steal, don't kill, be good to your neighbor, etc.
I guess, and maybe I am wrong, but I truly feel this way, that if you are a geniunely good person and you make an attempt to be a good person while you are on this Earth, that God, if he does exist, could not hold you responsible for not believing the CORRECT religion.
Doesn't that kind of scare you too? I mean if God does in fact love us and wants us to be with him in His heavenly kingdom, why would he throw so many other religions out there? To test us? That scares me...I mean we have no real way of telling which religion is correct or incorrect, it's all based on faith! What if someone is a good person and chooses the "wrong" religion? Why would God play games with us like that?
I suppose I will just go on trying to be a friendly, helpful person while I am here, and hope for the best. :thumbsup:
The only religion, which I don't really like to label it as anyway, that I have found appealing to me are religions in the tradition of Buddhism or Hinduism; however, I don't buy into all the idol worship and incense burning ceremonies. I only find their respective ideas and tenets to be more reasonable than other religions.
How could anyone else tell someone that their religion or belief system is wrong unless they were in fact God?!
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You have alot heart, Binzhoubum............alot of heart. I new exactly of which denomination you were referring before you mentioned it. I grew up in the same. Though Awanas came later I was an RA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binzhoubum
We both grew up in religious homes. Many don't understand what this means, I didn't until about ten years ago. I admire your search. You indite most Christians by your genuine efforts, I am going to a different city today. I want to answer you question with as much care as I can, for it merits all I have.
I don't want to make the same mistake that I did with oneironaut. I still feel very bad ripping at him, responding after only reading a few sentences of his post.
I am going to defer to later.
Braddog
I pray every day..I talk to him all the time. My best friend was killed the 15th of last month..car wreck..she was literally cut into pieces! I talked to him then & told him how I wanted to kill the woman that killed Lana..how I wanted to make her suffer.
I still have hate for her & have even went to her initial court appearances just to see what she looked like..but I still pray for the peace I KNOW God will give me..but it will be in his time,not mine.
Death comes to us all & we will have all the answers then..braddog pray for me..I need all the prayers I can get & I know there is power when two or more gather in his name so please pray for Shelby. Hope all is well for you..I follow your post & they make me happy..I pray for you also.
OOOOhhh darlin, I am so sorry, To lose your best friend!.......I love mine!. I can't imagine. Your honesty is so adorable. What you are wrestling thru is common to man as Paul said. There's no shame baby. You are just feeling the energy of what you have lost. Let your self grieve. to deny any of this is to hide it from healing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbay
Jesus said that the enemy crouches at the door to seize an opportunity. To rip at the vulnerable and hurt. The battle ground is in the mind, as you very well know. Try to take thoughts captive. I'm going to find you some music, Think about how I can get it to you.
The lord always is close to those who mourn, His heart is there. I know you feel vulnerable and exposed. The Lord protects the vulnerable, ....says "don't screw with them for there defender is strong". Isaiah
The Lord sent me some Terry Clark(music) when I needed it. I told Terry personally that I do not know how many copies I've given away.
Terry Clark, "Living worship" and "Secret Place" will be a great comfort during this time. I have bid on this already for you. I will win the bid, and email him carbon copy to you indicating strict privacy for you and your shipping address to be kept in the utmost confidence. If you would like.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEBI%3AIT&rd=1
I'll also look for some Kelly willard. She and her husband Dan have had a tough time. They both have been poured out. Pat Rutherford, satellite praise music, plays her alot. The comfort that flows from her.....
"We comfort with the very comfort by which we have been comforted".
I'm on the road in my car. I picked up a wireless for my laptop, to stay in touch. I new you where there. I felt your prayers, I reflect on you daily. I've wondered where you have been. Thank you for lifting me up, to God. I will often post a prayer, this one I will keep private.
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I found Kelly's site. I noticed that Claudia Rutherford is handling the Booking. Neither Pat nor Claudia know my handle (braddog). Email me and I'll tell you more about them so that when you talk, They can tell you a little about me, we go way back. Kelly's music goes all the way back to the late 70's early 80's (her best work). I was a bit depressed then, trying to figure this Life out. She was the Gift I was given. From the 1st maranatha albums, when an angel would join in and sing,.......It was her. It's not just her voice, it's everything, her own brokenness,..... put to music. "songs and Hymns" and "message to a King" primarily.
[email protected]
http://www.kellywillard.com/id68.html
I'll call Pat and tell Him to expect your call music will be prepaid. He will know to keep your privacy. Pat and Claudia are dear friends,
http://www.pbnradio.com/home/contact.html
http://www.kevinprosch.com/ . . ..Kevin's music is really my favorite. Nothing touches ~ Palanquin ~ (5th dancing column from left).
Journeys of life is outstanding ....also very contemplative. ~ Full of God ~ . Impossibly beautiful is also good.
Where the Spirit is there is healing, He is all over this stuff. The torments or the enemy can't hang around.
I'm emailing Pat, I'm ordering.... just email me.
oneironaut.....I owe you one, email me, Ill double the order.. I'll throw in a couple of books you'll be shocked by some things, specifically His love for you. It's not logical........It doesn't make sense, It's not even fair. But, His Spirit is real nevertheless, and you will enjoy the grip he will have on you. The Lord says Taste and see That I am Good.......mannn, Just when I said that, I remembered ....It's a theme in Journeys of life.
Please Ironaut come on.. your faith, this is critical. your faith does not depend on your grasp of God but of His Grasp (His hold) of you.......Just taste and see my friend, Your honesty is conspicuous, I believe you are really looking for answers....again I'm sorry about earlier, At least let me do this.
Binzhoubum, You also, I have been blessed with some real gems. I don't listen to Christian Pop. What I like doesn't see air play. Still things have not changed. The Lord still hides things, I do not understand it. He spoke in mysteries, during his earthly walk, explained things at night!!??
Those who look will find me,....
Who wants me?.....Look for me,.. I will be found by You .....Call on me...I will say, here I am.
Shelbay.......You do....and you have......and He's already there.
I love you Shelbay,..let Pat love on ya too.
Braddog
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Bizhoubum, I'm still working on yours, it's in a Word perfect file.