Where Do You Stand On Homosexuality?
Slip,
There's a diference between judging and taking a stand for what you believe is right. Christians have a saying that goes something like love the sinner hate the sin. With an issue that fires up an emotional response because its so controversial it does make it harder but its something we have to do.
Biblically, homosexuality is no diferent than any other sin. Sin is sin, no matter what it is. We can, and should, love and respect the person, without telling them we think what they are doing is right. If the person claims to be a Christian then we have the resposnibility to help that person overcome that sin, no matter what it is, and encourage them to come to repentence and restoration with God. We can not do that if we sin by being hateful towards the person themselves. However, if the person knows it is sin and refuses to repent then we have no choice but to ask them to leave the church. This process takes a lot of time and must be handled properly and biblically. This applies to all sin, not just homosexuality.
Where Do You Stand On Homosexuality?
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Originally Posted by mont974x4
Slip,
There's a diference between judging and taking a stand for what you believe is right. Christians have a saying that goes something like love the sinner hate the sin. With an issue that fires up an emotional response because its so controversial it does make it harder but its something we have to do.
Biblically, homosexuality is no diferent than any other sin. Sin is sin, no matter what it is. We can, and should, love and respect the person, without telling them we think what they are doing is right. If the person claims to be a Christian then we have the resposnibility to help that person overcome that sin, no matter what it is, and encourage them to come to repentence and restoration with God. We can not do that if we sin by being hateful towards the person themselves. However, if the person knows it is sin and refuses to repent then we have no choice but to ask them to leave the church. This process takes a lot of time and must be handled properly and biblically. This applies to all sin, not just homosexuality.
you're not taking a stand for what's right, you are judging someone by their sexual prefrence and that is that... if we wanted to follow god's will we would, or we'd atleast seek help in how.. we don't need some dumb-fuck christain telling us what's right and wrong at every turn... maybe some christians just don't understand, but not everyone even belives in a god, and no matter how many "miracles" you show us, or words written by man that most claim to of been from god in one way or another is going to change our minds on the simple fact, that we just don't believe... besides that... i've never seen NOR heard of animals being subject to sin, and unless you can find somewhere it was written that they are subject to the same physics of sin (both temptation and punishment alike) after i say this next thing, i really don't want to hear it... because it's like you're trying to cover your tracks...
on to the point... god created animals (or so you say) animals have been known to be homosexual, and it's very often, you may not hear of it much for the simple fact it doesn't get much attention, but there are many many man species that are gay, and not as rarely as you'd think.... so if animals do it, and cant' be influenced by other people doing it as well (for example, someone may try to say the first person that was gay did it to rebel and the rest followed to rebel as well) that menas it happens naturally... if animals aren't subject tot he same sin physics as humans... how can you say it's NOT natural?
and i'll say it again, because alot of you seem to forget this... absolutely nowhere, no where at all, in any part of the bible, does it even hint at the fact that christians should try to convert others, or teach the word of god... abso-fucking-lutely NO WHERE does it say that... yet others still get preached at... however, you people say you do it, because we need god, or we need to learn about god, or for whatever reason, the only thing your book says, that even somewhat relates to this is not to judge, because they will be judged by god.. if your god and your theories on yoru god are right.. what happened to free will? "he gave it to us" for a reason.. so we cna make up our own minds whether or not to follow his word... so what makes you think you have the right to add in any of your own presausion?
simple facts: (based on your book)
1. doesn't say anything about you having an obligation to teach others.
2. DOES say to not judge, becuase they will be judged.
3. god gave us free will.. to make our own choices whether to follow or not.
main question:
how can you justify preaching to us/trying to convert us/ teaching us and so on, and judging us (by thinking we need god in our lives, you've obviously made some type of judgement, you don't just pick random people off the street and say "hey he looks like he doesn't believe in god") when your god says not to judge, and your god gave every human being free will for a reason?
Where Do You Stand On Homosexuality?
foster children and orphans live a rough life and seeing two men kissing is the least of their problems - most of them live in harsh loveless environments and are headed for a life of drug abuse and crime - *any* chance such a child gets to be placed in a loving stable home far outweighs any wierdness he might have to put up with
Where Do You Stand On Homosexuality?
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Originally Posted by d00d989
dude, theres HUGE difference between someone being simply gay, and someone whos a pedophile rapist.
if two people are gay and together, there is no one being hurt or anything like that.
if a little girl is being raped by some pervert....thats a whole different ball game. The two situations are not at all similar.
but, i guess thats my atheist opinion. seeing as you're a christian (and i respect that) i can see how you would view being gay as a "sexual deviancy"
by the way, i feel very sorry for you daughter. im sure she didnt deserve what happend to her
Howdy DooD,
Yup..yer right-there's a huge difference,and I no longer believe in accusing gays of beiing inherent pedophiles,and I don't believe in physical violence against them either. Nor do I believe in standing on a street corner,and hollering out that they are all going to Hell,either. I also believe that they deserve the same kind of respect and dignity,that any other human should recieve.
My religious beliefs,lead me to declare homosexuality,as being deviant and against God's Plan,contradictory to the laws of Nature that God put in place for us,that being,we're a heterosexual species. Just my humble opinion and belief.
Granted,there are many spiritual lessons to be learned from all of this controversey..however,the best model for a functional and thriving society,is to maintain the Yin/Yang principle,it's the best dynamic for producing well-adjusted children.
Thanx for yer kind words,my daughter is doing well..she was young when it happened and as they say.."Time heals all.."..praise the Lord.
Have a good one ...
Where Do You Stand On Homosexuality?
Its Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve...
All the sick cock sucking faggots should be lined up and shot!
Where Do You Stand On Homosexuality?
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Originally Posted by BloodyRedBarron
All the sick cock sucking faggots should be lined up and shot!
Guess you better get in line. :rolleyes:
Where Do You Stand On Homosexuality?
i have a few friens that are gay 2 girls and 1 guy, the girls dont bother me, well cuz im a guy and love every minute im with them cuz well htey are cute. and the guy is a great person, i dont have a problem with gays as long as they dont try to hit on me or whatever.
Where Do You Stand On Homosexuality?
Slip, animals don't have a soul, therefore no sin issue.
I apologize if you feel I am judging or Bible thumping. I just see people quoting the Bible to fit there agenda and attack Christians and the Bible. They usually misquote it and all I'm trying to do is clarify.
As to your 3 points:
1. The Bible does say we are to spread the Word. That's part of the Great Commission
2. I've already covered the judging issue...it mainly has to do with our heart and motivation.
3.Yes, we all have free will.
Where Do You Stand On Homosexuality?
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Originally Posted by mont974x4
Slip, animals don't have a soul, therefore no sin issue.
Yes slip... Your entire argument is IRRELEVANT because of basic biblical fact that prohibits him from even beginning to address the several paragraphs you took the time to type. Don't you love how that works?
Why don't you try asking about facts like touching the skin of a dead pig (i.e football) or working on the sabbath day? I'd love to hear what all the Mr. "I just see people quoting the Bible to fit there agenda"'s have to say about those little items as well as... I don't know... the entire rest of the Old Testament.
The selective reading skills of the so-called devout do a pretty good job at attacking Christianity alone without the help of anyone on an internet message board.
Where Do You Stand On Homosexuality?
Fair enough.
Scripturally, man not animals were made in Gods image. Also, God breathed life into man, not animals. This is why I say animals have no soul. No where in the Bible does it say that animals are to repent from sin.
As to not touching pig flesh etc. the OT Law no lnger applies. One, I'm not a Jew and two, Jesus fullfilled the Law so we are no lnger bound by it as the Jews were.
