Who's to say that a baby can't have homosexual tendencies? Have you ever seen a queer-baby drink his bottle?
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Who's to say that a baby can't have homosexual tendencies? Have you ever seen a queer-baby drink his bottle?
A baby can't be gay because a baby can't be straight...Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
@ Stoned as Fuck
of coarse babies are not born sexualy active, just like no one is born able to speak. or walk. thats no excuse saying they will not be gay in the future.
Ok...you're right about that. Like I said, that doesn't mean you're "born" gay.
my god is not hateful, and only a hateful god would have a problem with such a thing. There is a differance between lust and love. Lust is supposedly a sin for hetrosexuals as well as homosexuals. LOVE cannot be wrong, no matter who it is you love. I think God created homosexuals for the same reason he created blacks, whites, browns, yellows and reds. We are all supposed to have differences so we can learn from eachother. I personally believe we are all here to learn. That is why we are here, we can't learn while in "heaven" because it is perfect. So we come here, like school.
Think about it. It is mostly in times of hardship that we grow. Yes, we also grow in good times, but that is only because we can appreciate them in the contrast of bad times.
Just my opinion. I accept all beliefs, I try to change nobody. We are all on our own paths, doing and believing excatly what we are supposed to be doing or believing.
Eva
I would like something to back that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyramidsonmars
You are saying is that we are born with no preferences. That a baby can't tell the difference between it's Mother and Father. That we are emotionless robots when we enter existence.
I'm looking at changing the legal age to 16 months.
I kind of went off on a tangent, sorry. I was amusing myself. It has been scientifically proven that homosexuals have more spots on their (either) hypothalmus or hippocampus.
Whereas, men are born with less and women are born with more. It's been proven that people with homosexual tendencies are somewhere in between. I can't remember the study because it was done in the 90's and this is old news.
It's complete bullshit that you can pick and choose what sexuality you want to be.
Could you make a conscious decision to only be attracted to men? Do you really think you could control that? How about if you make a conscious decision to only be attracted to ugly people?
Just because you've decided you -ought- to act in a certain way, doesn't mean you can force yourself to really -feel- that way.
And what's this crap about comparing homosexuality to people who're addicted to eating? If you're addicted to anything then you can curb your addiction. You can work to become not-addicted. You can't work at becoming gay or straight, it's built into you. If you want to compare sexuality to food, then compare it to a need for food. You're engineered to be attracted to one sex or the other, or both, in the same way you're engineered to need food to survive. It's coded into you, there's nothing you can do that will change it.
Sure, you can pretend, but that's all it can ever be - a pretence. You can get married, and have children, and go through the motions every night, but you'll never feel the same as a straight man would performing those actions. In the same way, you can convince yourself that you don't need to eat, but your body knows differently.
Finally, why the fuck did a baby's lack of sexuality come into conversation? Of course babies don't have a sex drive - they're -babies- for crying out loud. That doesn't mean that they won't grow up to have a sex drive, and it doesn't mean that once that sex drive develops it won't be targeted at a particular sex. So yes, you can be born gay because you're born with it hard coded into who you are. The fact that you're not attracted to men from the instant your mother gives birth to you doesn't change a damn thing.
It is total crap when people say that being gay is a choice. For those who believe this, I ask you a question. What if you woke up tomarrow and the "majority" of the world was gay, and you were still hetro? How would you feel if everyone was telling you to just quite trying to get attention, or whatever. And say that you played along, and acted gay just to fit in. How would you feel about that? If the thought of being with the same sex makes you sick, then a rational person would agree that this goes the same for those who are gay.
And for those talking about the bible, there are about 30 different version, all of which have been translated about by 30 different people into 30 different languages. The bible is a book, not a manual. A book that is not complete, this is proven by the ommision of the book of enoch. Who decided the book of enoch shouldn't be in the bible? The authors of the bible, who were humans, not god. Humans are flawed, period.
I am not saying the bible doesn't have some truth to it, but it should be kept in perspective. Especially when it comes to things like being gay as a sin. This thought has ruined peoples lives, caused suicides. People who are born into hugely religious communities truly believe they are the devils spawn or something, over something that they have no contol over. Very sad :(
Eva
I think that, just as Buddha said, even if himself says somthing your own reason does not beleive, even if the Bible says it, even if everybody says so, do not beleive what you think is nonsense. I beleive in a god, but i think if everybody would have more judgment they could beleive in something intelligent, instead beleiving all what they read or whatever.
No fuckin christians have any arguments to be against homsexual. It is just so stupid. People need to beleive in themselves, not in what they have been told to think.
Whoa, let's back up for one second. There's a huge difference between human sexuality, and general knowledge. Boys and girls are the same until they are about hmm...I'd say 4-6, becauase that's when they start to realise there is a difference. That DOESN'T have to mean that they would be born emotionless robots! Our human sexuality doesn't kick in as an instinct until puberty! This is common sense people.Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
But anyway, think about people who "claim" to fall in love with animals. Do you think they're born this way? If not, than what would convince someone they had nothing but animals to be attracted to? Those people are very real btw
Could you make the concious decision NOT to eat cake? I'll bet you could, but someone who's crumbled under the temptation time and time again might not be able to say no. THe reason sex and food are so similar in context is because both are instincts we have, involving an appetite.Quote:
Originally Posted by psychopixi
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If you're addicted to anything then you can curb your addiction. You can work to become not-addicted..[/QUOTE]
right :)
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You can't work at becoming gay or straight, it's built into you. If you want to compare sexuality to food, then compare it to a need for food. You're engineered to be attracted to one sex or the other, or both, in the same way you're engineered to need food to survive. It's coded into you, there's nothing you can do that will change it..[/QUOTE]
Ok, we're engineered to procreate with the opposite sex, if you want to talk "design". Nothing else.
Attraction is purly a spiritual/intellectual situation. There's no difference between a gay man's body and a straight man's body.
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Sure, you can pretend, but that's all it can ever be - a pretence. You can get married, and have children, and go through the motions every night, but you'll never feel the same as a straight man would performing those actions. In the same way, you can convince yourself that you don't need to eat, but your body knows differently..[/QUOTE]
That's what I'm talking about. You're body knows you need to eat as well as it knows you're built for sex. The problem lies with OUR use of eating/sex. We eat more and more until what USED to be a lot to us is now a regular meal. The same goes with sex. There is no formidible argument for homosexuality. Not one...that doesn't mean it's not widely defended by people who won't see it for what it is. That's not to say that gay people are any worse than you or I. It's important you know I mean THAT as well.
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Finally, why the fuck did a baby's lack of sexuality come into conversation? Of course babies don't have a sex drive - they're -babies- for crying out loud. That doesn't mean that they won't grow up to have a sex drive, and it doesn't mean that once that sex drive develops it won't be targeted at a particular sex. So yes, you can be born gay because you're born with it hard coded into who you are. The fact that you're not attracted to men from the instant your mother gives birth to you doesn't change a damn thing.[/QUOTE]
Babies arn't born with sex drives - dismisses that anyone's "born" gay.
Now you're arguing that it could be written in us like some fatefull coding about what we're supposed to like...but that would serve no logical explanation (nor do you have any proof) as to WHY nature would've given us this quality. It's NOT abundant in the animal world, despite over populations of animals, so it's no method of pop-controll either.
What I'm doing is asking questions as to WHAT homosexuality is. So far I've found nothing other than answers telling me it's what sex becomes when left in the hands of humanity for too long.
Think about this; if sex is a divine creation with a perfect purpose, than it will niether be exploited, nor idolized (much like it is now)...I believe humanity has yet to see it's true sexuality