Who's a vegetarian here?

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

Well, I really shouldn't have been in this thread to justify eating meat, in the first place. I know that we're born to eat meat. Eat what you want, all food is bad for you and you're body is gonna break down, sooner or later, because of your genes.

My position on the "meat-eater vs. vegetarian" is that I could care less because I smoke cigarettes. Plus, I don't eat, much, but a FILET MIGNON is way better than a celery stick.

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Nobody is "born" to do anything. As humans we have free will, which means that after we're born we are free to do whatever we choose. The American Dietetic Association states that not only are vegetarian diets sufficient for fulfilling all of one's nutritional needs, but also that "vegetarian diets offer a number of nutritional benefits, including lower levels of saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein as well as higher levels of carbohydrates, fiber, magnesium, potassium, folate, and antioxidants such as vitamins C and E and phytochemicals. Vegetarians have been reported to have lower body mass indices than nonvegetarians, as well as lower rates of death from ischemic heart disease; vegetarians also show lower blood cholesterol levels; lower blood pressure; and lower rates of hypertension, type 2 diabetes, and prostate and colon cancer." I do care about my health (which is why I don't smoke cigarettes), and as for filet mignon being better than celery sticks, that is a matter of opinion. The taste and texture of meat is just plain disgusting to me.

Ermontito, I respect your post and see your compassion towards our differences.
It is all a matter of personal opinion because some people are born to eat vegetables (just like some people are born to stay away from Poison Ivy).

As the elite lifeform on Earth, we possess the qualities of all creatures, carnivorous and herbivorous.

My parents sometimes joke that I'm not really so much a vegetarian as I am a carnophobe. :)

I guess it would make you cringe when I say I like my steak medium-rare?

wow and again, all I have to do is quote a link to mess with your arguements....
"A number of people have pointed out that the amount of grain grown to feed animals for slaughter every year is greater than the amount of grain grown for humans. So I guess the amount of grain grown for human consumption suddenly becomes negligible and we can conveniently ignore the fact that animals are still ruthlessly murdered either way because of your diet, right? Not to mention that the majority of grain grown for livestock is tough as rocks, coarse, and so low-grade that it's only fit for animal consumption in the first place. Spare me the "you could feed 500 people with the grain used to feed one cow" line of shit; it's not the same grain. Then there are the people who jump on the bandwagon with "you could plant billions of potatoes on the land used for cows"--good point, except for the fact that not every plot of land is equally fertile; you think farmers always have a choice on what they do with their land? Also, many vegetarians don't know (or care to acknowledge) that in many parts of the United States they have "control hunts" in which hunting permits are passed out whenever there is a pest problem (the pest here is deer, elk and antelope) that threatens wheat, soy, vegetable and other crops; this happens several times per year. Then some of you throw out claims that "we are trying to limit the suffering." How about you limit MY suffering and shut the hell up about your stupid diet for a change; nobody cares. Even if the number of animals that die in combine deaths every year isn't in the millions, even if it's just one, are you suggesting that the life of one baby rabbit isn't worth saving? Are you placing a value on life? Enjoy your tofu, murderers."

That's irrelevant knowledge, yoke-ass.

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Originally Posted by meloncoly

it's not the same, but they get brutally murdered with spinning blades, I'd rather be dropped in boiling water or have my throat slit than be decapitated by spinning blades anyday, at least those are a more instant death.

And congratulations on being a vegetarian for what, two weeks? all because of one little internet video? Time to bin all your belts and shoes GHoSToKeR, wouldn't want any leather in your house would we? Also you'll need to stop drinking milk and eating fish too, it's all cruelty.

2 weeks pfft

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Hate to burst your bubble and waste such an awesome post that I know you just are so proud of.... but I made that thread September 26th.... 2004.

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Originally Posted by yocass

wow and again, all I have to do is quote a link to mess with your arguements....
"A number of people have pointed out that the amount of grain grown to feed animals for slaughter every year is greater than the amount of grain grown for humans. So I guess the amount of grain grown for human consumption suddenly becomes negligible and we can conveniently ignore the fact that animals are still ruthlessly murdered either way because of your diet, right? Not to mention that the majority of grain grown for livestock is tough as rocks, coarse, and so low-grade that it's only fit for animal consumption in the first place. Spare me the "you could feed 500 people with the grain used to feed one cow" line of shit; it's not the same grain. Then there are the people who jump on the bandwagon with "you could plant billions of potatoes on the land used for cows"--good point, except for the fact that not every plot of land is equally fertile; you think farmers always have a choice on what they do with their land? Also, many vegetarians don't know (or care to acknowledge) that in many parts of the United States they have "control hunts" in which hunting permits are passed out whenever there is a pest problem (the pest here is deer, elk and antelope) that threatens wheat, soy, vegetable and other crops; this happens several times per year. Then some of you throw out claims that "we are trying to limit the suffering." How about you limit MY suffering and shut the hell up about your stupid diet for a change; nobody cares. Even if the number of animals that die in combine deaths every year isn't in the millions, even if it's just one, are you suggesting that the life of one baby rabbit isn't worth saving? Are you placing a value on life? Enjoy your tofu, murderers."

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Yocass, as much as I like Maddox you have to admit he talks shit alot of the time. His arguments are always weak. Funny, but weak.

The fact is that by eating meat I would be literally contributing to the intentional slaughter of animals. I don't want to have that on my conscience. I don't want to put a piece of slimy, greasy steak in my mouth knowing the shit that that animal went through to get it on my plate.

Yes, animals die as a result of tractors and plows as such. But it's not intentional. And yes, that does make a difference.

Think about this; if intent doesn't matter than the American armed forces that you are so proud of are guilty of murder every time they accidently murder a civilian. It doesn't matter if they tried to prevent civilian deaths, because according to you, intent doesn't matter.

i was vegetalian for like 7 years (which means no products that comes from animals, like eggs, milk, etc and no meat) and was vegetarian for 4 years. now i eat only turkey and chicken, coz im kinda lazy.

i try to eat meat as low as possible coz its pretty disgusting how they treat animals.

but sometimes its just hard to never eat meat and all, so im just lazy lol

Vegetarians are healthier than non-vegetarians not because they just dont meat. They might be healthier because non-vegetarians usually eat way too much meat and vegetarians may be "healthier" because they are more likely to include healthy alternatives in place of meat.

The Okinawa diet, for instance, has been studied extensively because the people there have pretty much the highest life expectancy in the world. Usually, "asian" diets are considered healthy. They do, however, contain meat in their diet. But many Westerners consume two to three times the amount of meat people in East Asia do. Not only that, but Americans eat the poorest kind of meat choices-pepperoni, salami, other preserved meats which contain nitrates and may cause cancer. They also dont include enough fish, which is a healthier alternative to beef.

Also, if you're a vegetarian, but eating white bread and cheese sticks everyday, you wont be healthier than someone who eats a wide variety of foods, including, say, beef, vegetables, and whole grains.