Torog and Hamster can be proud

they'd never do that. i dont need to form an arguement in the cia's defense, i dont need to research to see if it's true.

they'd never do that. isnt that enough to debate?



all hail cynicism

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You guys are so trained. If someone even comments on leaving this country you take up arms. I was going to teach in China a few years ago for a 6 month sabbatical. I am reading about the country that is soon to be at the top of the economic food chain. While I like the Chinese culture I am still worried and have other issues, So you guys take this as an opportunity to wave your flag and talk about a blow job again. How lame is that? Who is the one claiming to be adult again? Grow up and open your eyes.
A few years ago we wanted nothing to do with China because of their communist beliefs and their human right violations. Now we have almost as many human right violations and we are selling them whatever they want.

You guys think questioning the government is wrong. Don't chastise me because you don't know your history. Instead of waving your flag and posturing why don't you prove me wrong? I would love that, I want to be wrong. I love my country, but I love its people and not the losers in charge.

They have no interest in helping anyone. We are being used to fill their pockets.
You prove to me our government did not sell arms to the contras. Prove to me our government was not involved in specifically the CIA's overthrow of democratic governments in Guatemala, Brazil, Chile, Guyana, Iran, Indonesia and Congo.

Maybe you can explain Venezuela? Do you know the politics of what is happening there?

Prove the CIA's did not overthrow Iraq's government in 60's and install Saddam.

How about this one?

The CIA training and support of death squads and repressive secret police in Iran, Indonesia, El Salvador, Chile, Guatemala and Vietnam.

All of this so they can make money selling weapons. The very weapons that more often than not kill American soldiers.
Some news channel just did a story about a Bosnian weapons buyer that came over here and bought 100s of 50 mm guns with armor piercing bullets and took them on a plane back home for God's sake.

Instead of all your flag waving bullshit and catch phases PROVE ME WRONG.

If you want to blindly follow some rich assholes while they rape this country and the rest of the world and call it patriotism or Christianity you go ahead.
I will be able to say I did not follow them. I am proud of this. I know there are a hell of a lot of AMERICANS that think just like me so get use to it.

You are so close minded you think because I question and watch the government I am a terrible person. I think you are so illiterate that you blindly follow people you really know nothing about, like those star struck idiots that follow celebrities you think the American Government does no wrong. You do whatever you are told no questions asked.

Yes you are right. You voted for a man that has allowed China to buy our country and large amounts of American Treasury bonds and he has lied to start a war so that our attention is averted. This is what I believe so prove that I am wrong.

You voted for a man that has allowed a country that still reads the communist manifesto to walk in and buy our prize technologies.
You voted for a man that is ignoring the security risks in so much as he even hires a woman with direct family ties to communist leaders and he is ignoring trade secret theft because he and his cronies are making money from it.

Maybe you should read the communist manifesto you could need it soon.

http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Mao/Ch...ao-quotes.html

YES, You voted for a man that has destroyed our creditability in the world and you are so narrow minded you don't see the harm in that.

The leaders of our country are liars and they are getting rich like they always have through war, and arms sells and they are standing on the backs of the young, the old and the poor to do it. If you want to continue the charade you go ahead but don't attack my judgment without Proof that I am wrong.

Keep swallowing the green pill,
I choose the red one.

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ive questions for almighty you
can a nation not make a mistake?
and cannot a nation try to correct a mistake,
for example
helped saddam foolishly once.
then kicked his regime over later ?

i mean dont you supposed to FIX something if you break it ?

could that be what is going on ?
or has your blinded by hatred anti usa anything mind closed up?

please keep it simple its too early for complicated readings
peace

we've *mistakenly* helped lots of dictators achieve power and hold it; mao, hitler, stalin, saddam, bin laden was our pal, the list goes on and on and on and on...at what point does it stop being a mistake?

it seems more likely to me that we're using these people for some other purpose (world empire maybe, imf/world bank control of the world), and then using some fake theater to demonize them in our media.


"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing [a people] to slavery."
--Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774

never will it be a mistake,when your dealing with an evil empire like the failed soviet union it makes perfect sense to aid smaller problems when dealing with a global problem like communism WAS.

we built up and aided that evil empire the soviet union as well. this is a good book for anyone who's interested. the rockefeller file by gary allen, published in the 70's.

i can't remember if it's this book, or another gary allen book, where he talks about drills of the pentagon being hit with a jumbo jet that took place in the early 70's.

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthrea...ckefeller+file

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never will it be a mistake,when your dealing with an evil empire like the failed soviet union it makes perfect sense to aid smaller problems when dealing with a global problem like communism WAS.

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You blind blind blind man.

If communism ever was a global problem in the 50s and 60s, it's entirely the US's fault. Back then, the concept of empire and colonies was still quite valid, and the US wanted an empire of its own. What the most logical choice? Central/South America of course. The US installed and supported a series of right-wing dictators who shared their wealth witha select few elite, while 90% of the population died of hunger. It happened in many many nations.

What choice did the starving people have? they turn to communism, whose theory promises wealth and health for all. If you've been repressed and oppressed for generations, wouldn't that sound nice to you? That's why communism became a problem right on the US's doorstep, that's why Cuba happened, that's why civil wars raged for decades in some small countries... That's why Saddam was in power, Pinochet, Batista (pre Castro), and all those other right-wing dictators you all seem to like so much.

Learn to observe and think for yourself, I know it's hard.... :rolleyes:

everything is our fault dont you know.

communism=failure

democracy+capitalism=the youngest,richest,most powerful nation on earth

communism is just an excuse to consolidate peoples' wealth into the hands of world banks and leaders and rich, established families. it works just as well as fascism. they work together.

i agree with almost all of what you said...but both sides are controlled by the same people...both the 'left' and the 'right'...

if people are serious enough to want a world empire, than they're going to have controlled opposition to co-opt the population into thinking they have an escape from the current tyranny, right?

they get people to run right back into their hands.

multiple trillions of dollars of debt and hundreds of billions of dollars in trade deficits=wealth?

wow, maybe i should get a thousand credit cards and max them all out so i can get rich?

you'd be correct if it wasn't for the unconstitutional federal reserve. as soon as that took over our money supply, it was downhill.

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] . . . will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered . . . The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

• Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802) ; later published in The Debate Over The Recharter Of The Bank Bill (1809)

wow, jefferson's sounding like a conspiracy theorist. how dare him speak of our godlike banks like that. maybe he should have just left the country if he hated it so much!