From a Republican.....

[COLOR=Navy]OK Torog, don't flatter yourself by saying you ran me off... Grow up.
I have other priorities than to argue with some slack jawed half wit with no grasp on reality. I have health issues and I have been in NY. Unlike you I don't just run my mouth I participate in my community. You with your 100% disability that does not seem to stop you from sitting hours on end in front of a computer. You could work...instead of waiting by the mailbox for that SSI check....
You call me names like feminazi and attack my husbands masculinity without even knowing him in an attempt to avoid issues once again....
why is it when you are hit with the facts all you can say is Clinton blow job Clinton blow job...maybe you are just frustrated because your hypocritical religion prevents you from enjoying one :eek:

Torog says...
With the exception of a few countries,the UN is almost entirely anti-Israel and anti-US,Syria headed the board on human rights,of course they will issue sanctions against Israel. Sadly,there are Jews who've bought into the propaganda of the muslim jihadists,and side with the jihadists in the belief that http://www.phrusa.org/healthrights/phr_israel.htmlthey are wrong and will eventually have their throat's slit,by the very muslims they side with. The UN,is worthless,corrupt and run by the enemies of Freedom..it should be moved to Paris or Geneva.


It makes no sense to say the UN is bad but the US alone is so much better...because the US has huge amounts of leverage and power within the UN. So the UN isn't perfect but that is because one of its major players, the US, is not perfect either. So stop pretending that the UN is some political body that the US doesn't influence at all.....
Why is it you support your president when it comes to him killing people but you don't support his own words when it comes to saving them? Bush agrees that Israel has committed human rights violations....
I guess all those human right charges about Israel are propaganda as well? It seems your president is spreading Palestinian propaganda then when he made these statements
Bush repeated a call on Israel to halt expansion of settlements in keeping with a US-backed "road map" peace plan envisaging a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza...

Pointing out human rights violations does not side us with terrorist...but ignoring the human rights violation because your bible says to obey Israel is both cultish, naive, and mimics the exact stance the ratical muslims are taking. By your own definition Torog you are a terrorist...

As for Israel..... There is no Biblical basis to assert that the modern nation of Israel has anything to do with Biblical prophecy.
1. It is a twentieth century geo-political organization.
2. The name of "Israel" was selected with deliberate intention of conveying connection with legacy of ancient Israel.
3. Modern Israel is not the Biblical Israel and has no claim to any promises or rights of Biblical Israel.
and your bible also says....Only the spiritual nation of Israel is eternal - I Peter. 2:9

Washington state college student activist killed by Israeli soldiers
http://www.workingforchange.com/arti...m?ItemID=14661
Weekly Report on Israeli Human Rights Violations
http://www.world-crisis.com/news/1090_0_1_0_M/

Israel's nuclear warheads are pointed at Baghdad and major cities in the Middle East..
the U.S. and Europe are condemning Iraq, Iran and Syria for developing weapons of mass destruction, while simultaneously protecting and enabling the principal culprit, ISRAEL....

Torog says:
don't know where you are getting your information about military spending. Currently, we are spending almost as much as we did at the peak of the cold war.
If the spending is as you say and equivalent to the cold war days I'll ask you again, 6 years as commander in chief and his army is woefully under protected, as far as personal armor and vehicle armor and we are losing in Iraq. WHY?
undefinedBecause: Spending on our military is great but not if it never gets to the battlefield. The money is being pocketed by your rich politicians that don't give a damn about the soldiers.undefined

Torog says:
Have I ever said that I hate mexicans ? No..I haven't ,but I do despise those mexicans who are criminals and come to America to prey on law-abiding citizens.

[COLOR=DarkRed]Well what about the white people that are born here and pray on law abiding citizens?
Do you not see by simply using a particular race...you are being racist? I challenge you to show your MEXICAN friends your posts and ask them if they see it as racist. Go ahead ask them...You won't do it.[COLOR=DarkRed]

Torog says:
Thanx to the leadership of President Bush,and the hard work of our soldiers,we've liberated 2 countries from brutal dictatorships and formed democratic goverments in the process of elections and legislation..well over 50 million folks....

[COLOR=Navy]it's amazing how easily a complete disaster can be rationalized with simplistic thinking and apples-to-oranges comparisons.
As if the US agenda is attempting to accomplish such things as "liberating nations," How can you honestly say that Bush has "liberated" these countries. we stopped short in Afghanistan. Mr. Bush got sidetracked by another project. ( taking down the leader of the country that was "GONNA KILL MY DADDY') .....He is yet to complete a job in Afghanistan much of the country's regions are still controlled by warlords and people live in fear of constant attacks by Taliban rebels, . Al-Sharq al-Awsat/ AFP reports that the governing council of Karbala province has fired the police chief of the holy city of Karbala for "misusing his office." Meanwhile, the top money-making venture in Afghanistan is the opium trade, which has skyrocketed since we've "liberated" them.
And, let's talk about Iraq. Is it liberated? It's constantly on the verge of civil war. U.S. Army generals admitted that the occupation is going badly, with no end in sight. and as the Bush administration gives the leadership in occupied Iraq a face lift, Iraqi civilians are preparing to sue Gen. Tommy Franks and other U.S. military officials for war crimes in Iraq. [COLOR=Navy]

The truth is that the GOP is a front... they're just cynical window-dressing, sound-bytes designed to rationalize and sell a series of policies which are actually geared towards lining the pockets of corporate cronies, extending US imperialism, marginalizing women, minorities and homosexuals, and tearing down the great Public programs which have made good on the promise of "a land of opportunity" for millions..

Torog said: Bush is restoring the military,after 8 years under a CnC,that could not be trusted,and enjoyed recieving blow-jobs,while he talked to the field commanders in Bosnia.

First we helped the UN peacekeepers that were already in Bosnia.
Second How many American soldiers died in Bosnia? I bet you don't even know.
I will tell you 2.
Torog said Obviously,you've forgotten that the 9/11 attack,was an act of war against America,if it had been done to Russia,China or Israel..there'd be alot more than 100k civilians dead,but being America..we waged a surgical war,and attempted to avoid civilian casualties.

NO I have not forgotten 9/11 but it seems you president has. Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 Bin Laden on the other hand has confessed to killing americans what does you commander say to that?....

From a March 13, 2002, press conference:
Q: But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?

BUSH: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.

Torog: Here's where you contradict yourself...you claim that we've stolen the oil money from Iraq,yet we're not using it yet,to help defray costs.

No I don't contradict myself....We have stolen the oil and the proceeds are going into the pockets of US investors all connected in some way to the white house. We as a nation will never see a penny.undefined

Torog: Everyone,deserves to make as much money as they are willing to work for ...

coming from you this is really laughable HAHAHAHA maybe you should look at those top companies making (stealing) money.... see companies below...

Lockheed Martin Lockheed Martin The world's #1 military contractor, responsible for the U-2 and SR-71 spy planes, F-16, F/A-22 fighter jet, and Javelin missiles. They've also made millions through insider trading, falsifying accounts, and bribing officials.

http://www.johnmulkins.com/corporatehallofshame.htm

Northrop Grumman paid $111.2 million to settle a suit alleging their subsidiary, TRW, overcharged the US government space projects in the 1990s. But paying out money is not hard for the company. Northrop Grummanâ??s subsidiary Logicon,
an executive at Logicon was also investigated by the SEC for aiding and abetting securities fraud in a separate case. And in 1972 Northrop was caught bribing the head of the Saudi air force and a Saudi prince to buy F-5 military aircraft.
At least seven former officials, consultants, or shareholders of Northrop Grumman now hold posts in the Bush administration, ensuring that the companyâ??s interests are not overlooked for lucrative contracts in the â??war on terrorismâ?�, including Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, Vice-Presidential Chief of Staff I. Lewis Libby, Pentagon Comptroller Dov Zakheim, and Sean Oâ??Keefe, director of NASA.

Northrop Grummanâ??s subsidiary, Vinnell Corporation
They landed a $48 million contract with the US occupational authority to train the Iraqi National Army, but have botched the job so badly that the Jordanian Army has recently been brought in to take over the job.
After working with Chinese Nationalist Chiang Kai-shek to back US anti-communist efforts against Mao Zedong, the company became the major contractor for US military operations in Okinawa.
Vinnell has a five-year contract with the House of Saud worth $831 million, which is bankrolled by the Saudis but run by the US Army Materiel Command.

General Dynamics they were accused of having paid former South Korean president Roh Tae Woo $100 million in a bid to get the country to purchase 120 F-16 fighter jets in 1991

Everyone of these crooked companies are run by former Bush white House cronies...
Can you bullshit that one away TOROG?

Torog continues:
I think that those causualty figures are low.....in WW2,that many folks and soldiers,easily died in a single day of combat,we've done a good job,to keep em that low
the Iraq war has not yet giving us the kind of horrific death toll we saw in WW2 SO? That isnâ??t the point. The point is that the war is wrong, we were lied too and it is a horrible injustice for our soldiers having pledged their lives to protect their country from harm, to be lied too and to ask them to give their lives in pursuit of a very different Agenda than the one presented to them... a much less noble, goal: Now they are protecting politicians from the embarrassment of admitting that their policies and their leaders have failed.

Torog: The Geneva conventions are for sldiers in uniform,not terrorits in civilian clothes,that don't swear allegiance to any country or military. Try reading the articles before you use them in debate.
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/92.htmTorog:
Bush is a busy man,and Indonesia,is full of the enemies of freedom..to err on the side of Life..is the only right thing to do. I have a feeling,that you're a big supporter of euthanasia and abortion.
Oh yes he is busy...FISHING... he has taken more than 500 days of vacation. He has logged more vacation days than ANY president in history.Oh yes you "err" on the side of life alright. You want to bring lots of babies in to the world to fight your battles but you don't give a shit as to how they are going to be fed and cared for. I guess killing children in Iraq is OK too?
Torog states:
The 'research ' that you speak of,seeks to destroy Life and borders on the blasphemous..

OK Torog there are 400,000 frozen embryos...they are getting older by the minute. They will soon be too old for anyone to use. Are you gonna line up 400,000 prospective parents? When the parents don't materialize are you going to throw the embryos away? You would rather throw them in the trash than use them to fight disease? Stem cell research is going to continue in Great Britain, and China. So if one of those rich leaders of yours needs a cure he can just fly to another country and get it. I bet it won't be as blasphemous then.
And then there is the research into GLOBAL WARMING... how is that blasphemous? Can you explain Bush hiding the facts once again? http://webexhibits.org/bush/5.html

Torog : you are totally wrong about the technology transfer,that was all Klintoon's doing,and he should have been impeached for that.

NO I am not wrong....you call me wrong but you can't back up anything you say...I can back up the fact that the Republicans have sold out their country
April 8, 1986 Reagan Administration informs US Congress of intent to sell PRC (Peopleâ??s Republic of China) $550 million in aviation electronics, in largest military sale to Beijing since 1972.

July 23 1985 President Ronald Reagan meets at White House with Chinese President Li Xiannian, announces signing of pact allowing sale of American nuclear reactors and nonmilitary technology to China

Oct 13-18, 1985 Vice President George Bush visits China, announces US agreement to speed export of some high-technology products to China

It is an incestuous nuclear arms and drug trafficking relationship that the Bush family and the CIA have had with China and Pakistan while at the same time knowing these countries back terrorists.

Under present day Bush

Our top communications technologies like Nortel Networks Corp (top DOD contractor....said it has agreed to form a new company with China Putian Corp that is based in CHINA....How are we safer, today now that our DOD communications company is based out of communist China?

Cisco has also gone to China... as has Lucent....

With millions out of work and U.S. wages stagnating, the Bush Administration has pushed economic policies that are making the situation worse. From touting offshore outsourcing, to encouraging companies to moving jobs to China, the White House has systematically put the interests of working families behind the interests of its largest corporate benefactors.

"Bush Supports Shift of U.S. Jobs Overseas" http://www.iht.com/


Torog: Bush has admitted and apologized for his dui's,and he served honorably..the National Guard,is a part of our military,too.

Bush did not serve honorably...he cheated by using his daddy influence to get on the pilots list of the national guard and he did not even serve his time promised.


Why don't you ever dispute the facts Torog...

FACT Bush Government Most Corrupt In US History

FACT The National Institute for Health is rampant with sexual harassment, vacations charged to the government, pay-offs from US Drug companies

FACT The FDA is allowing death dealing drugs to be sold by US Drug manufacturers because over half the FDA drug review board is made up of doctors on the active payroll of drug companies

FACT Bush has CUT the budget for the Center for Disease Control to the point that no field inspections of hazardous disease outbreaks is possible...WOW I feel safer already!

FACT The EPA has not enforced one existing pollution rule and many are simply ignored as Mercury and sulfuric acid levels rise to toxic levels...Texas yesterday had a red alert for THE AIR. You can't even run your AC because the emissions are so high!
Texas has a growing dead zone in the gulf of Mexico that nothing lives in and dead sea turtles have been washing up on to its beaches.
Texas rates dead last when it comes to protecting the environment.
We can only hope that thinking republicans finally see the folly and danger of the Bush agenda and begin to dismantle the shackles of extreme Christianity, Greedy Laissez Faire business and a swollen police-state government that now seeks to dominate everyday life in America. One only has to look at your photo to see you are the classic example of stereotypical republican.....a white racist Christian with a closed minded simplistic hayseed agenda.

Cat

Bluecat, much love to you I read this over at least four times and it's really the best post ive read since i started. *Raises a spliff to bluecat* I loved how you referenced how torog is a latent homosexual. YOU ARE THE BEST KITTY KAT!

Ahhh Nic....thanks...

Sorry I was gone for so long, I was out of town...looks like you guys kept on fighting our battle.
THANKS to Marboroman too...

Great post hippie...I agree

For anyone interested: Members of the impeachment movement from all over the country will be marching together as a massive contingent in the huge September 24 antiwar demonstration in Washington, D.C., with coordinated actions in San Francisco and Los Angeles...

yes people we need to make a change and we have the numbers too does it not say that if the government does not suport the people we have the right to over thorugh it lets stop sitting behind are computers and complaining this is the time to ACT!!!!!!
I SAY WE FLOOD THE STEETS OF WASHIGTON not water but US THE AMERICAN PEOPLE im tried of working pay check to paycheck my father has been out of work in the IT feild for 2 years now because these corporate fat cats want to outsource for cheap laborer while they get 75 million dollar bonuses

blue cat would you be so kind as to extend info on the march

A diverse group of antiwar, civil rights, religious and community leaders held a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington DC to announce plans for the September 24, 2005, Mass March in Washington DC

Speakers at the press conference included Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, attorney and co-founder, Partnership for Civil Justice; Mahdi Bray, Ex ecutive Director, Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation; Rev. Gra ylan Hagler, Senior Minister, Plymouth Congregational Church; Brian Be cker, National Coordinator, A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition; Vanessa Dixon, DC Healthcare Coalition; Macrina Cardenas, Mexico Solidarity Network;&nbs p;Chuck Kaufman, Nicaragua Network; and Sarah Sloan, National Staff Coordin ator, A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition. Messages of support were sent from Ramse y Clark, former U.S. attorney general; Michael Berg, father of Nichola s Berg; Ben Dupuy, General Secretary, National Popular Party of Haiti (PPN);

From the Associated Press

Anti-War Coalition Planning Major Protests

June 1, 2005

By Siobhan McDonough, Ass ociated Press Writer

Anti-war activists upset by the continuing violence in Iraq are planning demonstrations in Washingto n, Los Angeles and San Francisco this fall to urge the administration to br ing U.S. troops home.

Act Now to Stop War and End Racism (ANSWER) has seen turnout in its demonstrations wane as the war drags on. The group hopes a long lead-up to the Sept. 24 protests will generate more interest.

Brian Becker is national coordinator of the Washington-based coalition, which has more than 500 anti -war groups as members. He said the public is growing weary of the war.


Order the DVD today to show you how to organize a meeting in a classroom, at a house party, or on public access television. To place your order, email [email protected] with "Sept. 24 DVD" as your subject line. Please include your name, address, phone number and the number of DVDs you would like in the message. You can also place your order by calling 202-544-3389.

DVDs are free....

Or just join a group...United for Peace with Justice is the largest one...
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/articl...t=type&type=91

Cat

yeh it's time for change. we are on the march...

sounds like a group of terrorists to me...quite possibly working directly with al-qaeda.

LMAO...

lol

dont bust up to many starbucks kids!!