Do you believe in a god?

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy FLESH,

In a way..you're right..I think folks should read all of the other religious texts..in the end,they'll come full circle and realize,that only Jesus Christ,was and is,the Son of God..and they will realize,that muhammed and bhudda,were just men,who wanted to appear Divine..are cows Divine and Holy ? I don't think so..yet the Hindhu's believe such nonsense,some even think that rats are Divine.

When you pass over to the other side,the truth will be revealed to you..and you can make your choice then..if you choose to ignore the Hand of God,in both your creation,your children's creation and the universe..then that's your choice..but I don't see how anyone who smokes weed,can't believe that only a loving God..could have created such for our use.

Have a good one....

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I don't believe anything created me or my world. I am, as the world just is.

Is that too bleak for religious folk? I don't think it's bleak at all. I think it's rather beautiful. I think it leaves the path open for the unhindered development of our consciousness and the understanding of our world. Religions inevitably place limits and boundaries on what we should and shouldn't know, on what we're allowed to see.

But I think what you wrote about Hinduism is quite offensive. But then again, I think what you wrote about Christianity is offensive as well, because it's not real Christianity... But that's another debate for another day. All life is sacred in Hinduism, which is itself quite a nice notion. They believe all life is sacred because of reincarnation, and in your next life you could be absolutely anything... so why harm something that might have been a departed loved one in a previous life? I'm sure to you it seems ridiculous that someone's grand daddy is a cow today, but I'm sure to a lot Hindus Christians believing in creationism is just as stupid...

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Originally Posted by maryjanemama

Wow, bruiser, look how you spelled nowhere, if that's not a Freudian slip, I don't know what is. Seems to me your subconscious knows best!!

Why do all Christians believe that those of us who don't believe in Jesus are wondering aimlessly through life? Personally, I'm not searching for anything. I am happy and satisfied with my life. We'll never know the truth, but, that doesn't mean we have to believe in the bible or stop questioning the existence of God.

If we all thought like you, bruiser, we'd believe the Earth is flat, the ocean contains sea monsters, and leeches cure bronchitis.

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O'k now I am being made fun of because of my grammer lol,thats o'k dude! I understand your frustrations..All I can say is,with out Jesus what is there?,just you!..........if you believe or not thats up tp you,but I found my peace and I am just offering up a piece of the great Love that Jesus gives....like I said it was all blinding for me as well,and to be honest I once was just like you.....I am a Jesus freak! without him I am absolutly worthless..

It's one thing to believe in whatever you want... Nobody can take that away from you. What bothers people most is when Christians condescend to them and say things like Hindus are silly and if you don't believe in Jesus you'll go to hell... I understand that your intentions are good, and you want everybody to be happy, but sometimes you lack respect and the understanding that maybe not everyboy needs Jesus to be happy and spiritually fulfilled...

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

Nobody's ever presented me with valid evidence (i.e. something I can observe with my own senses and verify) of this God fellow, and they say in order to believe in him I need to have "faith" (i.e. I need to believe stuff without evidence for it), so I had to reject Christianity as logically unfounded in my early teenage years. And it didn't look like any religion had any proof whatsoever of a supernatural world, so I naturally came to the conclusion that there is no reason to believe in something with no evidence for it and rejected religion altogether.

See the Set Free from Jesus site for more info, especially the proof that Jesus was a false prophet.

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I went through the links you had up! and read why Jesus is a false messenger of God....man that is completely wrong interpeation of any of the Lords words...to be honest I had a good laugh,just goes to show you there are people out there who like taking their own shot at things,only to be foolish in the end.......who ever wrote those article should be ashamed lol...considering they havent the first clue about the scriptures let alone about who Jesus is....just another way to try and keep people from the truth.....good luck on future research there buddy lol..

Bruiser, I do believe in a higher power, but, I don't believe in the Jesus stuff. Those 2 beliefs are always blurred. I belive that everything had to start from something. I don't believe in Chrisianity.

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy FLESH,

In a way..you're right..I think folks should read all of the other religious texts..in the end,they'll come full circle and realize,that only Jesus Christ,was and is,the Son of God..and they will realize,that muhammed and bhudda,were just men,who wanted to appear Divine..are cows Divine and Holy ? I don't think so..yet the Hindhu's believe such nonsense,some even think that rats are Divine.

When you pass over to the other side,the truth will be revealed to you..and you can make your choice then..if you choose to ignore the Hand of God,in both your creation,your children's creation and the universe..then that's your choice..but I don't see how anyone who smokes weed,can't believe that only a loving God..could have created such for our use.

Have a good one....

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It bothered me when you said that the Hindu's believe such 'nonsense'. I'm curious as to why you called it nonsense. Would that be because you just don't believe in the same things the hindu's do?

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In a way..you're right..I think folks should read all of the other religious texts..in the end,they'll come full circle and realize,that only Jesus Christ,was and is,the Son of God..and they will realize,that muhammed and bhudda,were just men,who wanted to appear Divine

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This is how I prove you're ignorant about other philosophical beliefs, and I get a lot of people with this one...Buddha, aka Siddhartha Gautama, did not in any way shape or form wish to appear 'divine' or god-like. A Buddha is not a god, Siddhartha Gautama is not a god nor did he ever advertise himself as one. Thus the overwhelming majority of Buddhists are also atheists. So don't you go on claiming folks should read all religious texts, because you've obviously not read a word of the Dhammapada or even typed 'Buddhism' into a search engine and looked for a few seconds to learn this simple fact.

Then, in the same context you have used I can easily make the claim that Muhammed was Gods true messanger and Jesus was merely a man who wanted to appear divine. Clear that one up for me.

^^^ way to put it!

Torog i suggest you watch "What The Bleep Do We Know" maybe than you'll inturn realize something

but were all just as bent on our ways and believes as you....maybe ill try and open myself up to god again....lol or not... but i guess i just realized that i dont know any better about what really is than you and wont till i die....gota love the irony of it

ill try my hardest to come back and tell everyone the truth lol

at this point in my life, im indifferent, i have no arguement for either side, i think life experiences will sway my decision one way or the other, and at 17 im unsure.

my dad believes in Jesus with all of his heart, he goes to church 2 days a week, i dont join him, just because i feel bored, i never really saw the point of church anyway.

i also haev a friend whos a couple years older than me, his whole family...and i mean WHOLE family(brothers,sisters,aunts,uncles,dad,mom,cousi ns), are serious drug addicts, yet despite all of negatives pushing him down the wrong path coming from the people one needs so much in life, he found church and fell in love with Jesus Christ. And whether i agree or not, i can respect that. hes 20 years old and hes a preacher, since as long as i can remember, even before his 'epiphany' he was the nicest kid i ever met. now hes devoted his whole life to the lord.

ive tried going to church and ive never really felt the way that i believe everyone else in there feels, and it turned me off immediatly, at this point i think im too skeptical to be religious, yet i do fear god, wouldnt it suck to be wrong?


dnno if this made sense, just my scattered thoughts.