No more stoned driving -- Colorado is passing THC limits for DUI

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Originally Posted by ds0110

You do a lot of "thinking" with no stats, research, or figures. Only speculation. How about this one? Since 20 years ago when they first made DUI laws, accidents nationwide have gone UP. Both DUI and DUID are both the same thing...they are just made to make leo money and do not make the roads any safer, despite what the brainwashing from MADD 10 years ago or some random hollywood scene has you think...society did not crumble with people driving buzzed. There was a time when police would be your friend and help you instead of taking you away from your friends and family for something that is completely normal. There was a time when you didnt go to jail until you actually harmed someone or cost someone money. Innocent until proven guilty, right?

Next theyll be saying "if it saves one child, then it was worth it to take every smokers rights away..." and the sad thing is no one is going to do anything about it.

Truth be known, if there were no DUI, DUID, and mj were legal....there would be a LOT (like over 50% maybe) of LEO without a job....They depend on our suffering.

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I didn't speculate about anything in my post or make any statements that required statistical backup. You quoted some percentages but for all we know they could be made up, as you didnt cite your source.

I am also speaking from the viewpoint of a non american. Law enforcement in my country doesn't profit from DUI convictions and prisons are non profit.

Seeing as you are fond of stats here are some government compiled stats for my country showing that DUI accidents have decreased as convictions for drink driving have increased over a 29 year period.

Drink Driving Statistics | Statistics On Drinking & Driving

There are also statistics showing that the percentage of people involved in accidents who have drugs in their system other than alcohol has increased.

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Originally Posted by PhatJay

I am also speaking from the viewpoint of a non american. Law enforcement in my country doesn't profit from DUI convictions and prisons are non profit.

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So you really have no idea what youre talking about? Do you know anyone who has had blood forcibly removed due to DUI suspicion? Have you even been to America or met an american police officer?

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Originally Posted by Denvertoad

Somewhat skewed in your logic process here. Argument by scenario applies.

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I gave a stat, then applied an opinion to it. What he did was "I think....I think.....I think......" with no stats/facts...and it turns out, with no reasoning or actual real life experience on why they feel this way. And the statement about LEO losing over 50% if there were no DUID, DUI, and mj is legal is only partially opinion. The point is a massive part of law enforcement is extortion targeted at average activities from average citizens.

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Originally Posted by ds0110

So you really have no idea what youre talking about? Do you know anyone who has had blood forcibly removed due to DUI suspicion? Have you even been to America or met an american police officer?

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I don't know about Colorado but in Wisconsin that's more/less common practice. Your choice, either let them take the blood or have it done via restraints.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

There is a trend among police departments across the U.S. to force DUI suspects to have their blood alcohol content (BAC) measured. Since BAC evidence is generally the most powerful evidence to support a DUI conviction, many jurisdictions are going the extra mile to get it.

During "No Refusal" campaigns, drivers who are suspected of DUI are given an ultimatum. They may submit to a breath test to measure their blood alcohol content, or they will be forced to give a blood sample for testing. After a motorist is given the choice and still refuses to take a breath test, a warrant to obtain a blood sample is immediately obtained. Judges are on standby to sign the blood draw warrants.

In some jurisdictions that allow forced blood draws on DUI suspects, the officers do the blood draws themselves, rather than taking suspects to the hospital for blood draws by trained medical professionals. Although there has been at least one lawsuit filed because of this practice, it has become more common to allow officers without adequate medical training to draw blood from DUI suspects.
The Facts About Forced Blood Tests During a DUI Stop

Welcome to America......:wtf:

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

I can't believe people are just fine with the fact that a cop can pull you over, say you were "swerving" or whatever, and then stick a needle into you. :wtf:

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Originally Posted by MtnLionCO

More to the point, any sobriety test should be based on IMPAIRMENT, not some arbitrary limit set by the government.

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exactly, well said

this is a simple fu to mason tvert in colorado SAFER
for his position the "safer alternative" most likely

the government will not admit that weed is 100 times safer than alcohol
is all it boils down to

It's the Feds that are behind it...

"White House Drug Policy Director Gil Kerlikowske said the research was a "good first attempt" to understand the role that drug use plays in automobile fatalities.

Many drugs can affect a driver's judgment and reaction time but researchers are still trying to determine the level of drug use that can impair a driver's ability to drive safely. A blood alcohol level of 0.08 is the legal limit for all 50 states but a similar level of impairment is uncertain for many drugs.

"It's very clear that we've got a significant problem," Kerlikowske said. "We've made great progress on alcohol-impaired driving through education and enforcement. There's just no reason we won't be able to make progress in this area once we start bringing it to people's attention and we start doing the enforcement that's needed."



Drugs found in the system of about 1 in 5 drivers killed in car crashes in 2009, gov't says - 11/30/2010 10:58:47 AM | Newser

Bunch of BS, MJ should not be treated in the same light as alcohol, they could not be more opposite. There is little to no impairment on regular MJ users when driving.:smokin:

Look how many people die every year to bad medicine... time to get rid of doctors and hospitals too...


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Four commercial jets crashed that day. But what if six jumbo jets crashed every day in the United States, claiming the lives of 783,936 people every year? That would certainly qualify as a massive tragedy, wouldn't it?

Well, forget "what if." The tragedy is happening right now. Over 750,000 people actually do die in the United States every year, although not from plane crashes. They die from something far more common and rarely perceived by the public as dangerous: modern medicine. "



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Originally Posted by ds0110

I gave a stat, then applied an opinion to it.

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A stat with no source.

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Originally Posted by ds0110

What he did was "I think....I think.....I think......" with no stats/facts...and it turns out, with no reasoning or actual real life experience on why they feel this way.

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You seem to have a problem with me saying "I think" so let's address each one indiviually.

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Originally Posted by PhatJay

I think a lot of the people in this thread are letting their love for the beautiful weed, cloud their judgement.

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Statistics on the amount of cloud in front of cannabis.com forum users judgement were not available, so I expressed my opinion.

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Originally Posted by PhatJay

I believe the positive effects of cannabis outweigh the negative.

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This opinion is based on observations made during the 20+ years I have smoked cannabis. Do you disagree with me on this point?

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Originally Posted by PhatJay

I think we need to be as aware of the negatives as the postives so we can minimise any harmful impact and enjoy the benefits of this wonderful plant.

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I don't need statistics to back this up. It is common sense, an axiom.

People keep claiming marijuana does not impair driving ability... as if I haven't been smoking pot for 20 years! No candid self-assessment of mine could reach that conclusion. When I drive high, I drive distracted. My reaction and decision times are slower, and I'm often more concerned with music, climate or food than I am with the demands of driving. Anecdotally, my observations of other high drivers match my own experience.

As marijuana policy is further liberalized, limits are going to be set on cannabis purchase and use. We cannabis users are going to have to accept the same kinds of time/place/manner restrictions that govern smoking and alcohol use. I don't believe pot should be treated exactly like alcohol, but I do believe people who drive high are behaving irresponsibly. How to test, what limits should be set, and what the punishment should be, I leave to others.

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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum

People keep claiming marijuana does not impair driving ability... as if I haven't been smoking pot for 20 years!

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The problem is, it's a personal reaction. Some people with brain chemistry issues like bipolar II and ADD are probably better off driving high. When I'm not high, I'm likely to drive faster and more aggressively.

There is also the issue that it has not been proven that mj impairs to the extent the law needs to be involved, in fact I posted information proving the opposite.

I believe cell phones are far more dangerous then mj on the road.