100% Confused right now

that will never happen the cap is at 50 a 8th and that is a good deal. the point of having a producer is to be able to try the products so you know what to grow in your rooms, the producers are not supposed to supply a constant even when at 100%. Unless your rich of coarse and 6400 a pound is nothing to you. seeds can be ordered on-line though attitude Dr chronic and many many others but those are the biggest ones at the moment.

1000 pound will never happen I don't car if you growing herb in a field and never use nutes and just let them be free the medical buds will not go for 1000 a pound at minimum 2500 and even then that is pushing it. I would say 3500-3000 a pound is more legit or close to reality.

you guys are not putting into account how medical is grown, nutrients are not cheep, electricity is not cheep, house or warehouse is not cheep. Yeah their are people out their that can grow with garbage and tin cans but is that what you want to supply your medical buds, in fact no it is against the law.

just a little in site, advanced nutes for 1 season about 2,000, power for on season, about 2,000, seeds for initial start about 2,000 supplies such as environment and pots and dirt, about 6,000, amount for growers and ware house or house about 10,000. sale and deliver cost about 2,000. with 3 or even 4 grow seasons in a year you can see why the price is high. medical is not some cheep throw seeds in dirt comeback in 3 months and you have medical buds, it is involved and is even therapeutic, its not building houses but its watering spraying foliage, in other words gardening, something psychiatrist prescribe to their patients all the time because of its non stressful ness and its involvement with environment and small physical activity. it can be fun

this is all a very ruff estimate and I am being very giving in that I am sure they spend more. how do you see $1,000 pounds coming out of this? not even in makebelive land. when you grow on your own you will see when you have a room big enough to fit 4 plants and a 1000W light at least, that the little 4 plant jungle will be much better when babbyed and your buds will be much more and and more potent, and you sell your pound for 1,000.

the point of this thing going on here in NM is for you to grow your own, that is the way it should be, so you do not have to pay insane prices for plant matter. Their will be people who are not able to grow for them selves and will need medicine, and hopefully in the future co-ops will be able to donate to them. Co-ops are card holders and licensed growers that don't need all 4 plants all the time so they donate here and there, not allot maybe a quarter each or a oz here and there but if you have 10 or more co-ops doing things like this then problems like 10% of card holders who can not grow and not afford medicine can have it available. There are many ways to make things like this happen but not when your all waiting for the producers to produce, I know everyone when not knowing what strain is best for you that uncertainty is a big suck cause you don't want to waste a whole season on a plant that sucks, but believe in those that have come before you. buy seeds like bubba kush white rhino, almost any greenhouse strain, if you like sativa then greenhouse has some of the best, if you want NM genetics then you are wasting your time, cause those genetics are hidden and secret and personally why you would want those I don't know, you not growing in the mountains or in the green house thats what those strains were bread for our environment not medical value. and when your in that position you can donate the $1000 pounds cause you will be donating, your time your money and your medicine.

Northern lights any kush or haze or bubblegum indica type strains will have value to you, and if you don't like it I am sure their is fair trade amongst card holders, the point is is you have the power to grow and that in its self is a monumental power, because you know have the power to heal. most will not grow AAA buds right a away but those that do, write about it, tell people about using, distilled water for germ nd clones and tell about bleach being the mother of all fuk ups, cause they will kill rooms silently and almost over night. Tell things of our environment and pest is not a big problem but heat is . these things will help each other greatly, reading posts about how high I got on shishkaberry isn't the best read for medical people cause it don't answer questions like nausea, or pain relief or head grogginess or hangover or something as simple as is it Sativa or Indica. But if you guys are growing different strains you can talk about it and to those that think well maybe thats the bud for me you can trade or grow a plant of that strain or go to the producer and ask if they have that strain, so you don't have to buy seeds and uses a season to grow a strain that is not for you.

Point is you have the power to grow and go big, if you start with small plants then remember small yields and you are allowed 4 plants so that is gonna be a Small yield, where as even if you grow one big plant that one plant could have enough medicine for months. a little plant might yield medicine for one week, does not work for us, in our situation. the need to grow bigger don't have to be massive but big a 4 or 5 foot plant in a 20 or 30 gallon dirt pot is what we need to look at not producers, cause this isn't Cali, their is not producers on every corner, yet, but when we all get growing there will be. Gotta give those guys a chance do get tehri curve in gear caseue rember the govenrment is not here to protect you they are not here to help you they dont even care about you, they careabout peoplethat can work and make money for them. Government is a bussines not a legacy anymore so it is time to over grow the government, and help from with in, let them scrambel about caseu soon enough we will have to be scramblin again too, it goes in cycles and cyles means at some point it will be dry, or it will be hard, so save up during the good times to better the bad times. hell if you can do it over thorw the government to bring it bck to land of the free home of the brave, but were all not Gorge Washington so help your own then soon enough everybodys help will spread out, it is the way this whole thing started Lynn was a person not a name or a compasionit act, we all now know, theri were many Lynn's buy holding our selves back we are bringing dishonor to those before us, do not get discourage, it is ok to ask for help or bring your situation on to the forum as long as it does not incriminate you or others. I have yet to see a grow quetion from NM, but that is not supprising Nm is full of green thumbs and Farmers, but if theri out theri let them fly if you have questions on strains let them fly if you dont know what to do becaeu you have a card and no buds then let it be known but the answer is going to be growing answers not hook ups in most cases anyway.

to feed a person you feed him for a day to teach a person to grow and hunt you feed him and those that come after him forever.
you see sometimes they have to kill us caseu they cant kill our spirit, They will never be able to kill our spirt only we can do that.

Thank you Madsativa for that inspiration I also think that we have to take it in our own hands.It is not easy to start when you are not sure of what you are doing but we have to start someplace. I think alot of people are afraid to ask for help because they fear being put down for not having the right type of knowledge.WE do have to make connections and help each other in that way we will be able to overcome what we lack
in knowledge and fear. I hope at some point all nm mmps will be growing there own meds. again thank you .ps the Co-ops thing sounds like a good thing CAN IT BE DONE here in nm?

I don't think it is fully legal here in NM for co-ops, but co-ops are not something that is advertised, and they don't have meetings at the Hilton every month. co-ops are started cause someone says my herb is better then that, then some one says well we cant believe you unless we try it, so all the card holders in place sample each others meds and they see with their own eyes and minds who has the better genetics and the greener thumbs. but mostly what comes out of this is , well I know Dave in Socorro has some powerful stuff too so champ 1 meets Dave and a new strain is tested. this goes on and on until finally some says, I have a extra oz here and their we should start getting together a list of patients to spread out the oz to. might be 2 people at first but in the end you will have made your own secret community of legal card holders getting better genetics, getting better knowledge, and getting better with the community of medical. it has been close to 4 years this had been legal and were closer to the same place as when we started, politicians threatening to put it all down patients don't know where to go for advice or some still think this medical hype is all propaganda that hippies are taking over the Nation. People don't know that their are hundreds even thousands getting cured from oils and concentrates, and more in the thousands are getting relief from simply smoking Cannabis. the government still throws Cannabis in the news as a crime, when their are hundreds if not thousands of Cannabis dispensaries in the Nation already. people are in denial when penicillin came out people would not take it choosing death instead of eating medicine that came from mold.

It is this mentality we have to drive out of the country the mentality of no that can not be and should not be. this is a big problem when you deal with absolutes what happens when something is pr oven that is not popular. this is what happens this situation we are in now. you don't have to stand on top of my soap box but if you do thanks, but even more important is when you are in a position to help at least try. And remember in a co-op you are not alone that is the whole point more heads, more answers.

just something I have noticed the state and the government is trying to segregate us from the rest of the populous and even each other (cardholders). it is easier to conquer when you foe is divided. simple to evade this is to not divide in fact these times are times for card holders to get together better, this is happening in Cali right now, and they are making an effort to put out their own propaganda effort and have even gotten a place on the ballot to legalize for recreational use not just medical.

the nation is now closer to 50% medical and there is still the question of is it medicine, that is the crime right their when the truth stares you in the face and you denied the truth. that is what a little over 50% of the nation is doing now, but even 10 years ago they had a way bigger lead and now were close to 50-50 soon the truth will pull more toward the light but not if we all wait for them to come to the light

MadSativa you make a lot of sense to me .But it is not easy in this forum to be able to communicate with others . are you at the farm

MadSativa, No offence but you mention 2000.00$ for advancded nutrients for a season, lets take a more in depth look, if I used 2,000.00$ in nutrients I would harvest about 90 pounds of cannabis about every 112 days off of 60 plants, and it would be about another 2,000.00$ in additives on top of nutrients, so about 4,000.00$ for nutrients, would yield about 400,000.00-500,000.00$ worth of cannabis.


for a 60 plant set up, you would need 50 litters of hydroponic nutrients , around 480,00$ dollars.

and140 litters of bloom nutrients, would be about 1,200.00$

60 plant setup, Total 112day for each harvest.

(2 weeks to root cuttings, 28 days veg, 70 days flowering. â?�market price of 4,000.00$â?�.)
1.5 lbs per plant = 90 pounds =360,000.oo$
1.75lbs per plant =105 pounds=420,000.oo$

Yes that is 420,00.00$ every 112 days, with only 60 plants!!! at a market price of 4,000.00$, even though the producers are charging closer to 6,000.00$


Clone room/mother room 2 weeks of t5, 50.oo$
20x1000hps @.13$ an hour, 18 hours a day for 7 days 327.6o$
60x1000hps @.13$ an hour, 18 hours a day for 21 days 2,948.4o$
60x1000hps @.13$ an hour, 12 hours a day for 10 weeks (indica sativa blend) 6552.00$
AC 65 amps for 24 hours a day for 7 days, 141.96$
AC 128.8 amps 24 hours a day for 91 days 3,690.04$
Water chiller estimate 128.8amps for 24 hours a day, 91 days 3,690.04$
17,393.00$

90 plants
1.5lbs per plant =135 pounds 540,000.oo$
1.75lbs per plant =157 pounds 628,000.oo$
$

Clone room/mother room 2 weeks of t5, 75.oo$
20x1000hps @.13$ an hour, 18 hours a day for 7 days 327.6o$
90x1000hps @.13$ an hour, 18 hours a day for 21 days 4,422.00$
.13$ an hour for 10 weeks (indica sativa blend) 9820.00$
AC 65 amps for 24 hours a day for 7 days, 141.96
AC 193.2 amps 24 hours a day for 91 days 5,394.00$
Water chiller estimate,193.2 amps 24 hours a day for 91 days 5,394.00$
25,573.oo

Hi Mimbres Dam you have this all figured out

Yes I do, and for a 60 plant setup that would be about 1800 gallons of nutrients solution,
I actually figure out how much everything costs, some folks will just throw out numbers, with no explanation of how they got there, a perfect example is madsativa(no offence bro). in all my numbers I take into consideration, electricity(for everything used for the grow), and nutrients.

Madsativa says its 2000,00$ for AN nutrients for a season, but he doesn't say how many plants, how they are grown, how much the final harvest is, etc.

This thread is just amazing.

Just trying to figure why our meds are so high priced. Are your costs anything like that or production rate? can't remember for sure but were you the one that had posted obout what was needed to start co-ops?