Yup, I'm going to hell because I don't care about some gun-totting high school dropouts running around in National Parks and making me pay $100 for 7 grams of herbs/medicine :jointsmile:
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Yup, I'm going to hell because I don't care about some gun-totting high school dropouts running around in National Parks and making me pay $100 for 7 grams of herbs/medicine :jointsmile:
So, would someone care to explain how massive government intrusion into "our" industry would make things better for us all?
The policies controlling numbers of plants and amount of processed are already some of the most lax in the nation/world. Up here in NorCal, this is a way of life. Everyone does it (probably 50% or more grow and even more smoke it).
An example of just how lax the policies are: the local sheriff/DA have stated they will not even prosecute people in possession of up to five pounds. That's without a permit, recommendation, etc. They've also been quoted stating that they will not pursue prosecution on people with less than 250 plants. That's 10 times what the maximum for one recommendation in Mendocino County. I've talked to many people who have grown around 500 plants, and have been flown many times, or even questioned, but ultimately all got to keep their plants.
This being said, Prop 19 does not affect the worst aspect of cannabis; illegal Mexican drug cartels. These illegal growers open fire on aircraft(civilian, law enforcement, or otherwise), ruin our public lands, and place all of us in danger.
All of this taken into consideration, or set aside, how will "the Man" make our industry any better for us(as californians, not just med patients, rec users, growers, etc)?
I also found it odd that the prop gives no specific amount for which cannabis would be taxed(at least not to my knowledge). Also what keeps the govt from excessively raising the tax on it? How will making cannabis more expensive through taxation improve access for medical patients?
Yet another thing I found potentially troubling is the fact that smaller collectives, and others have to produce the very finest quality goods( buds, edibles, clones, etc) to remain competitive in an already very competitive market. Contrary to popular belief, at the higher end of the cannabis market(medicinal grade), the prices seem to be driven more by quality than quantity. This is the segment of the market which is mostly unaffected by illegal drug cartels and their inferior quality. The law, from my understanding as it is written does not affect the illegal cartels in relation to the effect it would have on the local dispensiaries. I think that simple fact debunks one of prop 19's main potential benefits.
Anyone who thinks that more govt regulation will somehow help med patients, or others, definitely should read up on their history. Can you imagine med patients standing in long lines similar to the DMV waiting for their medicine because prop 19 would make it too difficult to legally grow their own, or if they are unable to grow it themselves dues to physical disability, location, or otherwise?
Also what guarantees that the potential income generated from taxing cannabis would be spent 100% on the causes promissed in the bill?
I'm not going to tell people what they should vote on as we are all united on this site as cannabis lovers(be it medical, or rec, or spiritual), and everyone will have their own opinions about this proposition, I just think that it is almost completely wrong for California's current or future situations. I believe this because it goes extends too far in some areas(which really don't need govt "help") and not far enough in others(IE, illegal cartels, and seemingly forgets about people already imprisoned or on probation for cannabis related "offenses").
In conclusion, let's not forget about the real reason this bill was thought up, MONEY. The same govt that prosecutes/persecutes us has recognized that our industry( and I say our because we made it) can be exploited (at our expense) for their financial gain. If it were a private citizen/company doing this to a private person, it would be called extortion. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see cannabis legalized, without restraint for whatever purpose(except for children/teens), but this bill is really not written, nor intended for our benefit. Anything positive that potentially comes with prop 19 is there for the explicit purpose of winning votes for taxation/ further regulations.
That may be in one county, but not others. All it takes is one dickhead Sheriff who got teased a little too much in school, an over-zealous prosecutor and federal grants to change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by stormin94
I think this issue is a little bigger than what any pro-cannabis prop can deal with. Their major $$$ comes from cocaine, heroine and methamphetamine.Quote:
This being said, Prop 19 does not affect the worst aspect of cannabis; illegal Mexican drug cartels. These illegal growers open fire on aircraft(civilian, law enforcement, or otherwise), ruin our public lands, and place all of us in danger.
TRUE DAT :thumbsup:Quote:
I'm not going to tell people what they should vote on as we are all united on this site as cannabis lovers(be it medical, or rec, or spiritual),
Sad but this is how big-gov works. Wish there was a better system or I'd still be living in the U.S.Quote:
In conclusion, let's not forget about the real reason this bill was thought up, MONEY. The same govt that prosecutes/persecutes us has recognized that our industry( and I say our because we made it) can be exploited (at our expense) for their financial gain.
Very good points though, and I agree that as Californians you should do what's best for you. Not living in Cali makes me look at the bigger picture and all the possibilities. People and governments around the world will not be so focused on the details as much as "It's legal in California to grow and possess."
I still don't think this will affect 215, although I could be wrong since I'm not a lawyer. I hope it doesn't, cause it's a good thing you have going on there.
But I have little respect for the amateur cash-croppers. Everyone thinks they have the best and few have any education in plant biology or agriculture. I think when the big businesses take over they will hire professionals who know how to grow the best weed outdoors. Those that try to use chemicals and additives will be out of the game quick.
It's hard to make something completely legal after it's been illegal for so long. I think this is a positive step, though not perfect. Waiting for better props is OK, but no guarantee that they'll get passed either.
Will be interesting to see what happens. :jointsmile:
i think the flaw in the logic of some people on this is that the current laws in California are largely ignored right now but somehow if those laws are made better then they will all have to be followed to the letter. that makes no sense to me. :wtf:
My guess is that even if this prop passes and is not amended or challeged in court and is actually put into production that it will have no effect on 99% of californians. you may get some non medical sales in the bay area and the really smart people will take advantage of their new right to grow their own legally but most people will see no change.
"You're Gonna Burn In Hell!!!" :D
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If I'm reading you correctly you're saying you got yours up in yer little county up north where you apparently have an agreeable county sheriff and district attorney- so screw the rest of us in the rest of this state?!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by stormin94
You know, good county sheriff's and DA's come and go. Probably better we do sumtin about the law rather than rely on the kindness of the local constabulary don't ya think?
:thumbsup:^ WELL put
people im gonna burn in hell,hahahah wow nice choice of words....whoever else that person mentioned see you there i will be waiting with a nice joint of devil's fire haha..
ok people lets vote no and wait another "high number of years" for something like his to come around......
if you vote and it goes through there is always room for changes always
and if your worried about people putting chemicals in it and what not,. grow your own "chemical" free..
and if big tobacco companies do get involved im pretty dam sure we the people can get together and make another vote that the weed stays chemical free.....that may be a challenge though!
there are always ways around everything..
matter of fact not to be an ahole but maybe everyone who voted yes on medical pot should of voted no,because some of these "medical stores" are selling not so good medicine....grown poorly....whatever the reason may be...if that happend woah boy sh!t woulda been hittin the fan...
and so what if they tax 50 bucks on it,it will be legal....key work LEGAL..not everybody can have their way......
like i said in another thread it doesnt matter what vote goes through..you me and everyone else will still be doing what we have been doing before the whole medical pot came to light...
so yeah come november i hope to be smoking some very legal yummy ganja and say to myself its finally happening.....
what i just wrote may sound stupid but i dont care!
I don't live in Mendocino County. The district attorney also sponsored a measure to limit medical patients to 6 plants. This was "Measure B" and was on the June ballot in 2008. Measure B passed by the way with a 54-46% voter approval. It was later repealed in the courts.Quote:
Originally Posted by leadmagnet
No one can deny the fact that the primary reason for prop 19 is to create a new tax on our industry.
Or maybe it's the primary reason that it actually has a chance to pass... Gotta give a little to take a little. Your county wants to take too much? Vote out the parasites! :jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by stormin94