How many medical marijuana businesses want to get licensed--#'s released

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Originally Posted by cologrower420

Making an observation on how I perceive someone's behavior is a little different than actually insulting someone. I'm sure it's semantics though. Feel free to report me to the mods. If I have broken the posting rules than I'll be reprimanded. I don't feel that my post is in ANY way a personal insult or attack. Feel free to explain to me how I'm wrong.

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Okay!

Let's start with, "Making an observation on how I perceive someone's behavior is a little different than actually insulting someone."

No, not when you directly insult somebody while explaining your observation. An insult is an insult no matter what form it comes in.

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Originally Posted by cologrower420

I don't see any reason for the name calling. It's juvenile, and you post here enough that you should know better, and be above such childish behavior. You can look down your nose and judge me all you want, but please don't degrade yourself to sophomoric insults.

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Another insult, "childish behavior." This is insulting to most grown people.

And another insult, "don't degrade yourself to sophomoric insults.

Let's see, what does sophomoric mean? It's used to refer to and describe something or someone that is conceited, overconfident, poorly informed and immature.

So you called him childish, conceited, overconfident, poorly informed, and immature.

But of course you weren't insulting him. :wtf:

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Originally Posted by SprngsCaregiver

First off let me say that I'm done trying to respond to your long posts without breaking them up into manageable sections.
Im saying if they were going to reform it they could have included the caregivers, who the people of Colorado voted in place.


If you can't see the typical politics as usual I don't know what to tell you other than WAKE UP!!!!
Thats because I'm sure "large scale bankrolled MMC's" lobbied money to our wonderful politicians to have the law crafted this way or some politicians have intrests in this somehow.
Why would they come out and say that they agree with the caregiver 5 patient cap? What would be the benifit of that?
There is a reason they are tryoing their best to put caregivers out of business. What would you say that reason is?

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Respond how you wish, I appreciate the response.

I am very aware of the state of our local political system. I hate our two party system, but I can't really do anything to change it. If that's defeatist or something, then okay. I can only do my part to follow the law as it stands, nothing more or less.

Releaf posted stats that there are only a tiny number of MMC's (a dozen maybe) who applied for the 300+patient licenses. That tells me that there aren't very many large scale operations, the same ones you blame for 1284/109. I don't believe that a dozen MMC's had that kind of power over elected officials. It's easier for me to explain the 5patient cap on the tax thing. It's a lot harder for caregivers to have large grows and keep 'screwing the goverment' by not paying taxes.

I am not interested in discussing what this legislation should have been or what it could have been or how this industry SHOULD have been reformed. I didn't see large scale private caregivers do much of anything to lobby against the 5 patient cap. I also haven't seen any information on a few key large scale large funded MMC's that lobbied and caused this legislation to be added. I'm happy to change my opinion, I just don't agree with you.

Do you have any non-anecdotal evidence on who is responsible for the language that limits caregivers to 5 patients? As far as I have seen, mattcook has explained that away as a 'public policy decision' and won't say more than that. I am not sure who put those words in the legislation, can we find that out? Can we find out what that person's agenda was?

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Originally Posted by COzigzag

Okay!

Let's start with, "Making an observation on how I perceive someone's behavior is a little different than actually insulting someone."

No, not when you directly insult somebody while explaining your observation. An insult is an insult no matter what form it comes in.





Another insult, "childish behavior." This is insulting to most grown people.

And another insult, "don't degrade yourself to sophomoric insults.

Let's see, what does sophomoric mean? It's used to refer to and describe something or someone that is conceited, overconfident, poorly informed and immature.

So you called him childish, conceited, overconfident, poorly informed, and immature.

But of course you weren't insulting him. :wtf:

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I'm still not sure why you continue to post off topic, you are creating more trouble than it's worth for the mods in your attempts to 'call me out' or somehow twist the posting rules here, or attempt to make me look foolish, silly, or whatever it is you are trying to do.

I have explained how I don't think I am breaking the rules here, and I have encouraged you to report me to a mod if you disagree. I still haven't been notified that my posts are against the rules, so I don't feel an apology is warranted. I have been respectful otherwise to posters here, but I really don't have the patience when people troll bait, as you are doing here.

This takes the thread off topic, which promotes more negative behavior, which increases the work load for the mods. Don't you see that? Is my questioning you a personal attack or insult? I don't think so, I just don't think you understand. That's not an insult, at all, that's why I feel that you are troll baiting.

Again, if you don't like my posts, then ignore them. Stop responding. I don't care that you disagree with my definition of an insult or personal attack. I explained as such, and I am not obligated to do even that. Again, until I am notified by a mod or until the rules are changed, I am posting by the rules of this forum and I will continue to act in the same manner.

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Originally Posted by cologrower420

I'm still not sure why you continue to post off topic, you are creating more trouble than it's worth for the mods in your attempts to 'call me out' or somehow twist the posting rules here, or attempt to make me look foolish, silly, or whatever it is you are trying to do.

I have explained how I don't think I am breaking the rules here, and I have encouraged you to report me to a mod if you disagree. I still haven't been notified that my posts are against the rules, so I don't feel an apology is warranted. I have been respectful otherwise to posters here, but I really don't have the patience when people troll bait, as you are doing here.

This takes the thread off topic, which promotes more negative behavior, which increases the work load for the mods. Don't you see that? Is my questioning you a personal attack or insult? I don't think so, I just don't think you understand. That's not an insult, at all, that's why I feel that you are troll baiting.

Again, if you don't like my posts, then ignore them. Stop responding. I don't care that you disagree with my definition of an insult or personal attack. I explained as such, and I am not obligated to do even that. Again, until I am notified by a mod or until the rules are changed, I am posting by the rules of this forum and I will continue to act in the same manner.

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Uhm, you responded to my post with, "Feel free to explain to me how I'm wrong."

So I took you up on it.

Don't engage me in conversation if you are not going to like the outcome.

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by COzigzag

Uhm, you responded to my post with, "Feel free to explain to me how I'm wrong."

So I took you up on it.

Don't engage me in conversation if you are not going to like the outcome.

Cheers!

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You took that statement as an invitation to analyze my reasons for saying someone was acting childish or something? That's confusing.

I don't mind this discussion with you, I don't mind that some random on the internet disagrees with me. No big deal.

However, your posts are off topic, and it's silly for you to attempt to explain away your actions as though I requested that.

Anything else?

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Originally Posted by cologrower420

You took that statement as an invitation to analyze my reasons for saying someone was acting childish or something? That's confusing.

I don't mind this discussion with you, I don't mind that some random on the internet disagrees with me. No big deal.

However, your posts are off topic, and it's silly for you to attempt to explain away your actions as though I requested that.

Anything else?

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Yes, are you bipolar?

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Originally Posted by SprngsCaregiver

So you dont think they could have made more money & took care of public concerns if they required a caregiver over x ammount of patients to be licensed through the state and move into a commercial zone?

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Can't say I have an opinion one way or another.

I would not favor allowing caregivers to grow for an unlimited amount of patients. We've discussed this before, but I don't believe the patient-caregiver relationship was meant to be a business relationship. I believe caregivers should grow at the request of and in consultation with the patient, and provide the medicine at cost. I'll even expand that a little: if you grow six plants for me, I don't want to be buying my own medicine back from you by the half ounce. I want every usable bit of MJ from those six plants at cost. They're already mine and you should not make a profit at my expense.

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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum

Can't say I have an opinion one way or another.

I would not favor allowing caregivers to grow for an unlimited amount of patients. We've discussed this before, but I don't believe the patient-caregiver relationship was meant to be a business relationship. I believe caregivers should grow at the request of and in consultation with the patient, and provide the medicine at cost. I'll even expand that a little: if you grow six plants for me, I don't want to be buying my own medicine back from you by the half ounce. I want every usable bit of MJ from those six plants at cost. They're already mine and you should not make a profit at my expense.

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As a patient, I agree with everything you say.

As a caregiver, it seems as though you are describing a non-profit caregiver. Who would possibly do that? Are there actual real caregivers who are doing that? Is that even a possibility, a non-profit grow?

I could understand a couple of low income patients or cancer patients or something, but the grower has to pay the bills right? How would you come arrive at cost? electricity for the plants? The water? some hourly rate for the gardner? Some amount for the equipment? For the risk? Where would you draw the line? Couldn't a caregiver charge anything and say, 'this is what it costs to produce'?

Yeah. I believe caregivers should be non-profit. They are surrogate growers for patients who can't or don't grow for themselves, not independent commercial operators who supply retailers.

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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum

Can't say I have an opinion one way or another.

I would not favor allowing caregivers to grow for an unlimited amount of patients. We've discussed this before, but I don't believe the patient-caregiver relationship was meant to be a business relationship. I believe caregivers should grow at the request of and in consultation with the patient, and provide the medicine at cost. I'll even expand that a little: if you grow six plants for me, I don't want to be buying my own medicine back from you by the half ounce. I want every usable bit of MJ from those six plants at cost. They're already mine and you should not make a profit at my expense.

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And thats fine BUT why should the dispensaries be allowed to play by a different set of rules? Why should a clinic be allowed to profit and a caregiver not? Caregivers have to make an investment in both time and equipment and caregivers have to take a loss if something goes wrong. With no profit there is no recovering from a bad crop, theft, legal fees, etc.