Draconia Tactics at The Aurora Mall

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Originally Posted by StoneyJake

The fact that I was harassed by police is going to be my word vs theirs unless the video has audio.

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That's the unfortunate part all too often. And all too often there's not even video.
When you get 2 or more of those pricks on you they will lie and back each other up. It's really a bullshit part of our system that we need to go to great ends to remedy. We have the police car cameras, but I think every cop should personally where a helmet-cam... or even just a frickin' mic! I think people would be appalled at how much they twist little shit to get people in trouble...

I was busted once almost 10 years ago in a neighbor's apartment at school. There were so many sketchy things about the bust, but I couldn't afford a good lawyer at the time!
I was arrested for possession in my neighbor's apartment because he was smoking and the bag was out... so apparently I was in possession too. The cop proved I was smoking (although I hadn't been) by saying, "the suspect had a green tongue, indicative of marijuana smoking". LMAO!! Smoking pot doesn't give you a green tongue! It's fuckin' ridiculous! And his partner backed him saying I had a green tongue.
We need mics/cameras on all cops!! These guys need to be accountable.

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Originally Posted by Adamkadmon

That has lawsuit written all over it. Purchases made? So they have receipts showing they were just there shopping. This is a first amendment issue. I would tell your son to talk to an attorney, make the mall pay for their ignorance, literally.
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I agree--of all the tea shirts that I see on a daily basis that are vulgar and very distasteful---your sons tea shirt isn't one of them. I have never noticed in any mall of the really bad ones--(person wearing it) to remove it or else.

So a lawyer is probably the best option. To get a bunch of people there with tea shirts--is only going to "radicalise" the situation--with supporters of medical marijuana being called and referred to as "druggies." And we certainly don't need that about right now.

I think I have read that Aurora is very anti medical marijuana dispensory--so people can hit them in their wallets--simply by refusing to shop there.

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Originally Posted by StoneyJake

I was stopped by mail security minutes after making my first purchase at the Aurora mail. I was planing to spend some money.
The security guard that stopped me wouldnt tell me what the problem was for about 5 minutes(until back up could show up..). The next thing I know I am surrounded by police and mail security. They said "you have to turn your shirt inside out, take it off, or leave the mail." I did not refuse to do any of those thing. I said as loud as I could without yelling "So you guys are harassing me for wearing a cannabis shirt when I came here to spend money?" They told me to remove my shirt or turn in inside out. I said "Why? So everyone can see a backwards faded marijuana leaf on my chest?" again being as loud as I could without yelling.
At this point the crowd started to gather and watch. I told them I wanted to speak to a manager about this because my rights are being violated. The mail director was right there and we began to talk like adults about this. He informed me that my shirt is considered offensive to some people so they do not allow any cannabis related attire on mail grounds. I pointed out that there are many store in the mail that sell attire such as this and I made the comment that marijuana is legal for medical users in our state, its always on the news and there is no reason for anyone to be offended by a marijuana leaf on my shirt.
At this point one of the police officers became annoyed and said "its not legal, ha" looking directly at me as he said it in a loud voice. I stopped speaking to the directer of the mail and informed the police officer that it is legal for medical use in our state and I voted on it. I then went back to speaking with the directer of the mail. I told him that they are violating my constitutional rights, when I hear the same police officer say "NO we arent" again looking directly at me. I turned and replied "yes you are, I have the right to wear what ever shirts I want to in this country". He then said "Dont talk to me, Im not talking to you"
I said "well your lookin right at me and speaking very loud"
he says "no I was talking to my fellow officer and you better start cooperating or you will be placed under arrest for trespassing"
I replied "so I am not aloud to reply to people when they are speaking to me"

They they said I was under arrest for trespassing...they brought me to the police station as I spoke very loud of the injustice going on so everyone in the mail could hear it.
I asked the police about the fact that I havent done anything wrong and was never asked to leave the mail so how could I be trespassing? he said "well then Ill just charge you for disorderly conduct"
I told him that he cant just charge me for what ever he wants, thats not how things work. I then asked why he is trying to start a fight with me
he replied "If I was trying to start a fight with you, you would be in the hospital"

I was done at that point and pretty sure I was going to jail or going to get a ticket. I was informed that I was being banned from the mail for one year and then was asked to sign a piece of paper showing that I understood. Under the offenses they listed trespassing.
Then they let me go with no charges... I was escorted to my vehicle

I have been wearing marijuana related tee shirts half my life and have never been harassed for it. It was obvious that one of the police officers on seen have a major prejudice against marijuana smokers.


edit:sorry for the novel, Its only been a day so I still am pretty worked up. Hard for me to believe that this kinda treatment is legal.....

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Don't be Jake! In fact, it's very, very good you wrote this. Take a copy of this with you tomorrow to your lawyer's appointment. Later on in the case it'll become useful. If there are more things you remember between now and then add them in too. The more info you have the better for you and your case.

I was arrested at a Meijer Thrifty Acers back east for stealing a pair of shoes that I bought at Pic Way. After I was released, I went home and my mom told me to do a write up just like you did here and it was helpful. Once you get a year or so into the suit you'll start to forget little (important) details. This will help you refresh your memory. In fact, hearing your struggle it brought back memories from that time. I would have handled it SO much worse if it happened now than I did back then. Ha, back then I politely told him to fuck off...now I'd be like "FUCK FUCKING OFF, Ass hole!" But that's jus cause I have a loud mouth now. :thumbsup:

Speaking of which, I told yer mom that you handled it MUCH better than I would have. If it were me, I'd be sitting in jail on another disturbing the peace charge! LOL

In solidarity,
Just

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Originally Posted by rightwinger

I agree--of all the tea shirts that I see on a daily basis that are vulgar and very distasteful---your sons tea shirt isn't one of them. I have never noticed in any mall of the really bad ones--(person wearing it) to remove it or else.

So a lawyer is probably the best option. To get a bunch of people there with tea shirts--is only going to "radicalise" the situation--with supporters of medical marijuana being called and referred to as "druggies." And we certainly don't need that about right now.

I think I have read that Aurora is very anti medical marijuana dispensory--so people can hit them in their wallets--simply by refusing to shop there.

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I don't knows I agree with all that winger. I think a strong stance against them showing the boycott can be helpful if tastefully done. If we get hundreds of people out there picketing, it'll draw media attention and the attention of the people which is exactly what the mall doesn't want. They go to great lenghts to avoid bad PR like this.

While this isn't about MMJ, I, personally, wouldn't open a disp in Aurora. There's too much crime there and that's just by the city itself! lol Secondly, I don't shop in Aurora because they lose the tax money generated by sales.

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Originally Posted by StoneyJake

LOL
Very nice. Ill shoot you a mail
This is very cool. Thanks for the ideas and support

I thought about calling the police station and putting in a complaint on the officers that were on the sceen. Ill see where this goes

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The only thing filing a complaint does is keeps them from getting a raise/promotion. Otherwise, they are free to do WHATEVER they want becasue they're cops. They are a (willing) tool of the gov't to supress the people and the will of the voters by any means nessicary. This is a perfect example of that.

Thanks for the email! I really like meeting new people and helping in my very small way! :)

j

I met with some of our legal friends today and they seemed very interested in this story. They said they would start contacting reporters and try to get this on FOX news.
Right when I got back to my house I got a call saying there are a couple of reporters "chomping at the bit" for this and they wanted me to drive back to denver lol, I told them I would rather do it tomorrow. Ill drive back up there if they need me to though. So I guess Im going to have to do some interviews tomorrow :D
Here we go WWWEeeeeeeeeEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Keep us posted on how the interviews go! Are your lawyers advising you on what to say to them?

No, the lawyers havent said anything about what I should and shouldnt say. Im sure they will give me some pointers before the interview so I dont go off on a rant :P

I just got a text from someone at the post that wants to meet up tonight. These guys work very fast lol.

My lady doesnt want to be on TV because of her job. She was there for the entire event so Ill have to see if I can talk her into it if TV comes up

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Originally Posted by StoneyJake

Here we go WWWEeeeeeeeeEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

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Give em hell, Jake!!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::jointsmile:

Very interested in how this plays out. Glad to see you're going through with the inteview and trying to get you're girlfriend to testify as well :D That would be even more convincing, either way it sounds like they messed with the wrong person! Thumbs up for standing up for you're rights!:thumbsup: