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One party always tries to sabotage the efforts of the other party and that sabotages any advancement in this country. It's like organized bloodless civil war. When Obama try bipartisanship he gets called a pussy. For the record I belong to no party. Neither serve drinks how I like it, and there never any skunk:jointsmile:
yea it would be nice to see America not be torn between blue states and red states. I actually grew up with a republican dad and a democrat mother. I honestly despise politics because talking about them just causes fights. It's just wayyy toooo much drama, smoke one and just relax.
Exactly what strain are you smoking there? Mao Kush or Cuban Haze?Quote:
Originally Posted by PufferLungs
You need to chill out and stop name calling people you don't even know, this is a forum for adults who know how to communicate and have an open conversation and a debate, not act like spoiled little rotten vaginas.
And no, I'm not a republican but I did read the forum rules before I started posting.:smokin:
i am not a rep either.. and i hated bush along with the rest of the country.. and oboma is no different bud..
he is just here to make his buck, write home from the white house and get the fuck outta dodge..
oboma does not give a shit about you me or your neighbor.. he only care about what he can make off us before we catch on and boot his black ass outta office.. and no im not racist (at least i dont think so) but he does have a black ass.. or is it all face paint so he could just get elected??:wtf: :wtf:
-MG
I'm sure it's even farther down on his "to do list" than that, but yeah it's not a real priority right now. Maybe in a few presidents it MIGHT become decriminalized for medical patients on the fed level, but government runs slowly because of:Quote:
Originally Posted by headshake
This is exactly my view also, only my dem mother is actually a state lawmaker for transportation, children & family services, and higher education:Quote:
Originally Posted by zenneson
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Originally Posted by KingOfTheRodeo
Obama isn't going to do a thing that doesn't help him and his party expand government, increase society's dependency upon big government, and the control needed to exert that dependency. You will see personal rights continue to be stripped slowly away until no one has the means to object, through free speech, guns, religion, freedom of press, etc...
Congress truly runs this country, not the President. He only runs the executive branch. There are specific powers upon that office, and he is seen as the leader but its congress that holds more power at any given time. Nothing goes into law that both houses have not ratified and approved upon. (the three branches of gov are supposed to be seperate but equal but we know this is no longer true)
Those rights were put there to keep government from becoming what it did and too many people are too ready to give them up without thinking. That's why these rights are so important, they set precedent. If we allow one to be taken, it makes it that much easier for the next one to be taken.
Who will legalize or decriminalize it? The states will one by one. And then they have enough willing to standup to the fed, they will tell the Federal Govt to back off or secession is always possible. (its in the Texas State Constitution to secede at any time with a 3/4 popular vote, as well as Vermont and Montana I believe)
Look at how MJ became illegal to begin with and the answer is there. The states in the southwest wanted a federal marijuana law so it would be paid for by the federal government. If it is a states law, the costs were incurred by the state gov. The states didn't realize that giving power to the fed was the wrong move.
The next thing we saw was the congress voting to make it illegal based upon racism in Texas and the southwest, and Henry J Anslinger using propoganda to illustrate how despicable and dangerous it was through media and film. Reefer madness is one of the best known propoganda films. We have started to reverse the process and fight back however we need to organize and show proof of how it is a beneficial, environmentally friendly product that offers so many uses.
And until the states exert the fundementals of the United States Constitution (read amendments 9 and 10) including states rights, the limits of federalism, and we as a country and society remember that this is a "UNITED" individual states, not one big state, that the goverment works for us, only has the power we ALLOW it to have, and that the state has the final say in all matters that occur within its boundries.
Until then, we will be at the will of an oppressive large government that feeds like pig at the trough of control, taxation without representation (the current health bill is a great example), and command economics (Obama is a fan of this and Keynsian theory, it also only works in communistic and socialistic countries but not for long), and federal offices like the DEA, DOJ and so many other that are out of control in abusing our personal freedoms or rights.
I'm a libertarian, I used to be a republican until they started acting like democrats, who are now acting like socialists and communists. I truly believe that we need to get back to the fundamentals that our country was founded upon. The Constitution and Bill of Rights were written the way they were for a reason and we have stopped following the road map our fathers founded for us.
Just my opinion but the writing is on the wall as I see it.
PS: So when I see posts like the ones by PufferLungs, it only shows me that we are divided as a country by the garbage that the differential political parties feed us and want us to believe because that feeds into their control abilities. Good job Puffer, you are acting and writing exactly like they want you to. An open mind is a threat to a political party of any ideology.
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Originally Posted by tinytoon
Control through taxation. That is why tobacco and alcohol , both of which can KILL you through it use and is proven, are legal. They are controllable enough to be taxed because they are much harder to produce than pot.
MJ grows wild EVERYWHERE and is very, very difficult to control, that's one reason why it is still illegal today.
No control = no tax money. Control = tax money
That's why prohibition didn't work, tax money was being given up without a fight and feeding organized crime that gained excessive power from it.
That's just one of the reasons it is legal in California, if I'm not mistaken, all the dispenceries that sell to patients and legal grows that supply them have to pay state sales and income taxes.
Trust me, all the other states are looking at California and thinking "We can let em get high, they're gonna do it any way, stoners don't start fights and drive like the drunks do, this would help with keeping control over a constituency for future voting (PufferLungs are you reading?), we might as well make money off of it.... and children aren't smoking cigarettes like they used to...Hhhmmmmm"
There are more seats up for reelection in 2010 than has been in a long, long time. Now is the time to change many of those seats. Now's the time to start listening to others who might want to take a crack at it and get them to voice their prohib/reform position on video. You've got less than 11 months so how about stopping the bellyaching and get with the program? Clean House/Senate in 2010.
im down just give me the broom and i will start a nice clean sweep.. including all of the corners that seem to be missed every time people elect our reps...
pers.. he he he thanks vance.. :jointsmile: kinda baked sorry to bring a bit of fun to SUCH a SERIOUS subject..
-MG
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Originally Posted by ezrydn
anyone been following the congress lately? i wonder what would be a good bill that we can use as a litmus test this year? they usually try some sort of med cannabis bill in the summer, usually attached to some forgotted appropriations bill or something. that would be a good sample if they do that again this year. :greenthumb:
what we REALLY need is "third parties" like LP's :greenthumb: they deliver a bountiful harvest every single time, unlike those crappy dem and repub strains. they are both worthless. (although in fairness dems in the house have historicaly voted about 70% aye, vs. the repubs who voted about 7% aye, on these types of bills.) these bills lost, of course, but i haven't looked at any numbers in this congress. (anyone??) a lot of the old prohibs have already been weeded out of the congress. (one would hope)
Independents vote 100% aye every single time. :detective1:
(Bernie's the man :jointsmile:)