are we to be free?

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Originally Posted by psychocat

Many would define that as greed .

Just how fair do you think a system is that only allows for an advanced education to those who can afford it?

Those most likely to succeed are born into a life of privelige and the old boy network ensures that those at the top stay there.

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Just how fair is a system that takes half of what you worked your entire life to build, just because you die? Just to give it to some bag of shit like the octomom.
I do not know where "fairness" even comes into it. Life is not fair and never will be. Fairness has nothing to do with freedom.
Anybody that chooses to make the sacrifices can get an advanced education. There is a constant change of class as some move up the ladder and some move down. The 2 richest people in America were not born rich, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.

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Originally Posted by veggii

find yourself in my shoes and find the realilty of USA !! capitalism sucks it breeds greedy selfish morally corrupt people !! we are slaves in the USA in 2009!! there is no freedom anymore,, you must work (SLAVE) for someone else to live in usa . Redding california as many other cities across the USA are passing laws that is ILLEGAL to be HOMELESS .. OMG!! wtf has happened to our country Tent cities are popping up all over I am considering myself going to the one in sacramento., as its a daily battle to get food and hide from police, cant even begin to think about healthcare WTF!! I was supposed to be in a 1yr treatment program in 2007 I was kiked into street with nothing and could'nt take INTERFERON SHOTS living in streets, shit is fucked up. sure I can change my situation but I have to throw my morals all my pride and LIE\CHEAT\STEAL
and not give a fuck about anybody but myself !! steal their money and laugh all the way to bank !! thats what america has become ,,common petty theives shame shame on you!!

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I find it ironic that the quote you have at the bottom of your post (10th amendment) is the exact opposite of your beliefs.
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all i know is that after spending seven months of my life in iraq....the US is a pretty nice place after all. when you see how bad others have it, it makes you realize that we dont have it that bad at all.

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Originally Posted by McDanger

I find it ironic that the quote you have at the bottom of your post (10th amendment) is the exact opposite of your beliefs.
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Haha, great observation.

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Originally Posted by JaggedEdge

Haha, great observation.

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As are all of yours. I can't rep you till I spread it around some:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by higher4hockey

when you see how bad others have it, it makes you realize that we don't have it that bad at all.

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that seems to be precisely the point made by so many of those who espouse the tenets of socialism, that we have it too good and don't deserve our wealth.

in the course of a little over two centuries the "cult of the individual" has created more wealth for more people than any other philosophy. it has improved the standard of living, not just here but around the world. it has provided a medium that has allowed for the development ever greater numbers of life and labor saving technologies and grown an environment where even the poor can take advantage of the fruits of those labors.

it has not abolished all the inequities of our society and that seems to be what sticks in the craw of its opponents. they seem to think that because poverty and degradation still exist, we must be doing something wrong. this sort of childish impatience and small minded greed has always been what keeps us from fulfilling our potential. that some should attain wealth before others always seems unfair to those who have to do without and they always seem to feel that they too deserve an immediate slice of that pie. they forget that wealth is not natural and that ease is something that must be worked for, even if it may always be just out of reach.

Freedom is whatever you want it to be, the question is how far outside of society do you wish to live.
Society is the edict of "many hands make light work" made real.
I dislike people in general and really have some extreme ideas about how the human race could be improved.
The "freedom" that is sought has to be defined and in my mind it always has a flip side.
I have the freedom to learn, to travel , to experience, this is possible because of society and the price of those freedoms is paid for by my adherence to the rules of that society.

Simply put it's a question of "live in my house and benefit from my infrastructure , then you live by my rules" , thats my view of the symbiotic relationship we develop with our enviroment.

We should have the freedom to do what we want, if we're not hurting anybody else..It's not the government's job to protect me from myself, those are the decisions I make..We're only free to do what they tell us we can and can not do inside our own home.

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Originally Posted by McDanger

I find it ironic that the quote you have at the bottom of your post (10th amendment) is the exact opposite of your beliefs.
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I find it funny that you spoke and inserted foot in mouth :giggity:

you have'nt a clue what I am saying by posting the Tenth Admendment in my sig do you? and you guys have the nerve to call me nasty names, shame on you guys !! come put my shoes on for 30days then you'll see I DARE YOU
I must warn you you will only beable to walk 1 block as your foot is broke,dont forget the excruciating back&leg pain ,,oh yea the knumbness in the legs too (cant even walk a few steps then) then the arms go knumb hands too . I really want too see you guys working like that that'd be awesome, oh I forgot you'd also have the killer virus killing you taking every drop of strenght you have, and remember your broke (no wheelchair) living on the streets in bushes eating out trashcans every govt agency has denied you help this is when you get that rope and climb a tree and put yourself outta misery so talk some more shit and come walk in my shoes :thumbsup:

this is the CHANGE obama promised us, didn't you see it coming?

we cant even go see a rated R movie without certain parts "removed" for our well-being (bruno)

any threat to this administration is completely dragged through the mud, rush limbaugh, sarah palin, they dont care

obama does not give two sh*ts about any of us, all he cares about his agenda and ruining our economy so that we really do NEED his government. its really sad that so many people were duped into believing his B.S.

obama has racked up more debt in like 9 months than all presidents washington to bush jr. COMBINED

every single U.S. taxpayer is now in debt a total of $90,000 to pay back all of obamas spending.

and if you still want to defend obama, go pay that $90,000 then see how much you like him. we are never going to be able to recover from 4 years of this recklessness.