Anyone else horrified their tax dollars buy death?

'Nam Vets ? ... I got your back, brothers :thumbsup:

Thank you for coming back and responding, and clearing it up. I was just wondering myself.

Like i said it was my interpretations that you did, and now I know you didn't. I'll believe what you tell me, until then, I had to make up my own mind.

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Originally Posted by FreshNugz

It's kinda sick that you'd blast little kids away. Actually its not kinda...its completely fucked.

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War is fucked im not saying its right but live or die deal with it, think of being in those shoes. and splitting kinds in half is wrong, but in a hellish situation, worst things can happen

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Originally Posted by FreshNugz

Cause that will sure help them stop chanting "Death to America".

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I dont care what they chant just dont do it on my lawn, this isnt highschool, not everyone is gonna like you.

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Originally Posted by FreshNugz

Im so worried that people actually think like this!!!

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Some religouse people belive that aliens are gonna take them home someday. Some religouse people belive that all Americans are the devil, and that doesnt bother you?

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Originally Posted by FreshNugz

Again...PUT YOURSELF IN THEIR SHOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How is that so damn difficult to get?

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again, you are facing an advisary that uses men women and children, to string your buddies corpes all around the desert. I am glad I am not their but it does not mean I dont think about my friends who are their.

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Originally Posted by FreshNugz

Picture an invading force here...then picture your kid being shot and killed by them. And what would you do?

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I dont have to picture it I am an American and I use my right to bear arms (a big resone no one invades here), doesnt mean we dont have to worry about gangs or other interior problems. All the same if I had a kid I assur you getting into any kind of fight with him or her would not be a good idea, we teach our own.

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Originally Posted by FreshNugz

how hard is it for people to pull their head out of their ass(or their ipod, or their 'bachelor' episode, or whatever other kind of pitiful propoganda/entertainment you are partaking in) and realize that even though there is a good aspect to this mission...the way we are going about it is wrong. Plain and simple.

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Mission, what the hell are you talking about? You actualy bought into all that Bush crap. We dont controlle our government wake up

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Originally Posted by FreshNugz

All you hawks should just consider yourself lucky we aren't facing an invasion. Or that we don't speak chinese or russian, and we're not on the shitty end of the power pyramid. All's well and good when you're the one firing, isn't it....
Disgusting.

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I dont think you get it, its being fired at that gets you to think like this, once you are in a situation like that you do what it takes to get out of it and then never get in that situation again. much easier said than done
most of the time I dont see my self at the shit end of the pyramid, but I definitly have never been at the top of the power pyramid. And I see your point like I am glad we are all not in slave camps and talking German. And I am glad we are not facing an invasion, but luck has little to do with it.

MadSativa, you mention how in a hellish situation there are worse things than children getting split in half....like what? I can't think of anything worse than the brutal death of children, which, thanks to the war and the patriots who support it, is all too common.

Some religious people believe all Muslims are the devil and that the whole Middle East should be nuked, and that doesn't bother you? If the status quo were reversed, and it was the Middle East that exerted a huge and undue influence over North America and maintained a vice grip on its resources, I can guarantee there would be some kind of Christian equivalent of the Al-Qa'aeda. Those Focus on the Family psychos are already scary enough as it is---if the Middle East imperialistically controlled North America, they'd be blowing shit up. I hate it when Christians act morally superior to Muslims just because of the violence associated with Islam...violence which is the result of harsh circumstances. And the U.S. government has caused more death than the Taliban ever could. But that's alright....it's all for "freedom."

Under certain circumstances huh? Answer me this then. Whose holy book tells them to kill all the non-believers?

Both holy books say that.
That's why religion is crap. We can't all be right...but we all think we are...then kill in the name of it.

This world is ugly.

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Originally Posted by MadSativa

War is fucked im not saying its right but live or die deal with it, think of being in those shoes. and splitting kinds in half is wrong, but in a hellish situation, worst things can happen

I dont care what they chant just dont do it on my lawn, this isnt highschool, not everyone is gonna like you.

Some religouse people belive that aliens are gonna take them home someday. Some religouse people belive that all Americans are the devil, and that doesnt bother you?

again, you are facing an advisary that uses men women and children, to string your buddies corpes all around the desert. I am glad I am not their but it does not mean I dont think about my friends who are their.

I dont have to picture it I am an American and I use my right to bear arms (a big resone no one invades here), doesnt mean we dont have to worry about gangs or other interior problems. All the same if I had a kid I assur you getting into any kind of fight with him or her would not be a good idea, we teach our own.

Mission, what the hell are you talking about? You actualy bought into all that Bush crap. We dont controlle our government wake up

I dont think you get it, its being fired at that gets you to think like this, once you are in a situation like that you do what it takes to get out of it and then never get in that situation again. much easier said than done
most of the time I dont see my self at the shit end of the pyramid, but I definitly have never been at the top of the power pyramid. And I see your point like I am glad we are all not in slave camps and talking German. And I am glad we are not facing an invasion, but luck has little to do with it.

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1. I am aware bad things happen in wars. Which is why we shouldn't start them half way across the world in order to "bring freedom" to people. Give me a fucking break. What if they wanted to "bring communism" to you..cause they decided its the way to live. Now there would be a use for our army! In case you aren't getting my point...armies are for invasions of the homeland...not to be shipped to a desert, or jungle, or wherever to fight those people. Before all you WW2 students point out that this war was overseas, it had a purpose in that the Nazi's sought world domination.
As a veteran, i'm curious to know what you think here. Do you think an army is for more than defending the homeland?
2. The point I was making with the chanting 'death to america' was that if we continue to act foolishly, murdering civilians wherever because they aren't worth a damn, and they are nothing but the enemy...it will do much to increase hatred and never win the "hearts and minds" so to speak.
3.Can't argue on the crazy religious people.
4. You shouldn't be there...neither should your friends. Face it this isn't a war which should be happening. We can however agree to disagree on that since I don't think you're understanding the point. Point being a war waged against people in their homeland will cause a poignant reaction, most times nationalist sentiment, and fighting invaders is enough to win.
Look at all the wars where that has prevailed, despite the guns bombs and tanks.
5. Your right to bear arms is not something which prevents the invasion of America. Your superpower status, and first rate military capability..that is a reason. Who in their right mind would even think of it, knowing they'd be blown away. But your right to bear arms is not even important here.
You have that to overthrow the government should the union's become perverted. ie. too much fed. power overruling the states, just one example which is now a reality. Using your right to bear arms for its actual purpose is something that I can't believe hasn't happened yet given the outrageous straying from the constitution your country has done.
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6. Trust me I understand what you're saying. When you're there, they are enemies, not people. They killed your friends and brothers in uniform. I GOT IT. You sir, are missing my point. We shouldn't be in that situation. At all. The last "just war" I can think of was WW2. Things like Afghanistan should be avoided...look where they get us. And Vietnam. Waging war on foreign peoples in order to achieve some goal which is to benefit the United States...is completely wrong. So you shouldn't be in that position, thinking of killing their children. Comprehend??

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Originally Posted by FreshNugz

Yeah, I love how the solution is "nuke".....honestly people!!!!!!
That's sickening. Oh it's not working, so we should nuke it!

How the hell would you feel if someone sprung a nuclear weapon on you? The inability of people to see this from a perspective other than their own immediate one is disgusting.

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Would you rather be struck with a cluster bomb, or perhaps a molotov cocktail from one of your anarchist friends...?
The only difference is the capability of the resultant explosion.

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Originally Posted by Dream of the iris

In fact, none of these terrorist organizations want to destroy the World because if they did that then they wouldn't have anyone to rule over. When it really comes down to it, all nations want power and that includes us. The whole international game since the beginning of time has been taking over the World and Al Queda is the last one on the list to be capable of such a thing. My money's on either China, Russia, or the U.S and E.U, not with a bunch of unpopular organizations that has to use force to gain participants.

But don't let this statement fool you. I'm not a sympathizer.

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You failed to mention the 12th Imam theology. The coming of the 12th Imam is supposeldy going to happen just prior to the end of the world, which is one of the main reasons sunnis and shiites are bent on western destruction. (hastening the end is their goal) 12th Imam

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Originally Posted by luciddreamer

I thought that was sarcasm when I first read it. That is how dumb you sound.

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Gee. That's how I feel about your moronic statements.

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Originally Posted by GrinKyle

I would to, If i was a child of that era, living in Vietnam, I would have ALSO tried to kill you Steve, with whatever I had. You know why?

CAUSE YOU INVADED MY HOMELAND.

I interpreted that he thinks it was.

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Kinda funny. This fucked-up, USA is at fault, twisted reasonoing you state here, is the same thing by extention. Some dickwads came over, and dropped some grenades (passenger airplanes) at our feet. Only difference, our kids hopped a flight, went to their country, and payed-back the favor. There has not been another grenade dropped on our shores, since. But guranteed, were I in New York that day, and the grenades had been dropped at my feet by these 'children' of allah...I'd have blown their young fucking heads off...just like you said you'd do to Steve.

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

Under certain circumstances huh? Answer me this then. Whose holy book tells them to kill all the non-believers?

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According to the radical muslims, the Koran says it's a religous imparative.

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Originally Posted by FreshNugz

That's why religion is crap. This world is ugly.

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Hmmm...from where I stand, it's not the religion that's crap...it's the backasswards views of those that pretend to understand it, that's crap.
With God, the world is beautiful. Without God, the world is ugly.

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Originally Posted by FreshNugz

Both holy books say that.
That's why religion is crap. We can't all be right...but we all think we are...then kill in the name of it.

This world is ugly.

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What you are referring to in the book of Luke is an analogy not a literal meaning like in the Koran.

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Originally Posted by FreshNugz

6. Trust me I understand what you're saying. When you're there, they are enemies, not people. We shouldn't be in that situation.

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Enemies are people other wise we would be missleading and delusioning our selves. We should never be in a situation, but we always are. You talk like we have a choice of where our Army goes, or a choice of when and who we fight, but we dont we just fight. As far as my opinion on what the Army is for, dont matter my opinion dont matter.

My favorite words I heard coming out of a guy in the Army was.......we build bridges and churches, so the Marines can come and blow them up.

My point is never question your men and women in the military, they will never question you so show them the same respect. Now those in charge question em, batter em, hell hate em but what ever it is make them see your point, because so far I have yet to see the people in charge take charge.