Do You Think Barack Obama Represents ??Change??
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Originally Posted by daihashi
But what will he change and how will he change it?
Obama has actually said nothing except for "change" and "hope". Change and hope don't mean anything, they are just words. If you explain what you plan to change and how you plan to change it then you are actually saying something that MIGHT be worth listening too.
Where is he going to get the money for change? Raise taxes?? If so then do the American people, in our economic downturn, need to lose even MORE of their money? We are already paying inflated prices for oil, which effects a number of other goods that we recieve. Food, delivery services, even things such as the cost of water may go up. If he plans on cutting funding to government programs then how does he plan on doing this? What are we going to have to lose and are we actually going to lose programs that are useless or will we lose something that is actually important?
We don't know because Obama doesn't actually say anything.
McCain is not my ideal choice, not even my 1st choice.. hell not even my 100th choice, but I would choose him any day over Obama. :hippy:
Obama has items on these issues. Some of his rhetoric is empty, but you can find substance in his words.
With health care, he'll pushing for a single-payer insurance system. With the insurance coverage choices Americans have to make based on financial reasons are putting themselves into debt if a medical condition arises. 70% coverage, 30% out of your pocket costs for hospitalization for the richest nation on earth is unacceptable. The system has to be simplified so administrative costs can be cut, which means 100% coverage minus co-pay. Right now, administrative costs account for 25% of cost. Unacceptable. By having fewer choices when it comes to coverage with insurance, you'll save. Since they'll be fewer choices with insurance, you'll be given more choices when it comes to doctors. Situations where a person has to do part of a procedure with one doctor and finish it with another are unacceptable. There shouldn't be situation for example when an insurance can cover a doctor, but can't cover the diagnostic test with the company the doctor's uses to get his results. These kind of complication drives up costs, not to mention the denial of someone based on a pre-existing condition is unacceptable.
On how he'll handle fiscal policy, first let me ask you a question. If you are so worried about the budget, why are you voting for McCain over Obama? In my true belief neither will really cut the budget nor cut taxes. At least Obama would be honest about it. McCain would cut taxes and subtly raise taxes on goods. That's how the republicans have always done it. Another difference between them though is Obama will try to shed some funding in the military complex and divert it to other areas. Some military funding doesn't go to the military itself, much of it goes to defense contractors. Sometimes you don't even know what it's for, because quite a number of them are secret.
Obama declared that there should place greater controls, disclosure and accountability on handling budgets throughout government agencies. Otherwise you'll continue to see the DC area get richer while the rest of the country gets poorer. When McCain say we'll be in Iraq for 100 years, he's basically saying government contractors are going to get paid.
Right now we don't have a clear policy on energy. Gas prices are out of control. McCain's proposal on cutting the gas tax is the worst possible solution. Not only would it increase demand, but give oil companies a chance to sneak a little more profit from their diminishing profits. Obama realized that the idea was a gimmick. The answer to lower gas prices requires a multi-pronged policy which focuses more in the development of alternative fuels, finding a way to to drill within the US continent in order to cause oil futures to fall. There isn't only ANWR, there's plenty on the east side of the gulf of mexico, but 85% of that area is restricted from drilling. Solving the gas problem is hardly a matter of gimmicks. Obama seems much more sound in judgement in this matter.
Sure Obama has a lot of faults. But the more I learn about him, the more I realize perhaps this is the guy that could represent all Americans and not just a concentrated few like McCain would. If I voted based on my wallet and opportunity of employment in my area, there's no question I would vote for McCain. However I feel I should vote for what's best for all Americans. That's why I'm leaning towards Obama.
Do You Think Barack Obama Represents ??Change??
Yes I do belive that obama represents change for america. I for one want a real health care plan that wont increase if you become ill or even if you your hurt in a accident. Take it from me I now my health care plan went up 40% because I was in a car wreck last year that wasnt even my fault and do you think that Mccain has a plan to reduce my care no. The people he cares about is rich people they are the only ones that will benefit if hes prez. If you think hes for the blue collar worker you need to talk to some friends of mine they hate Mccain and all the republicans if you look at what they stand for they stand for the rich.:rasta::rastasmoke::pimp:
Do You Think Barack Obama Represents ??Change??
One more thing Mcain has plans to make rich people richer now think about that.:rasta::rastasmoke::pimp:
Do You Think Barack Obama Represents ??Change??
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Originally Posted by BigWeed
Yes I do belive that obama represents change for america. I for one want a real health care plan that wont increase if you become ill or even if you your hurt in a accident. Take it from me I now my health care plan went up 40% because I was in a car wreck last year that wasnt even my fault and do you think that Mccain has a plan to reduce my care no. The people he cares about is rich people they are the only ones that will benefit if hes prez. If you think hes for the blue collar worker you need to talk to some friends of mine they hate Mccain and all the republicans if you look at what they stand for they stand for the rich.:rasta::rastasmoke::pimp:
As I understand it, this is what Obama has proposed as a healthcare plan:
There will be a new national health plan available to all Americans to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress. The plan will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity and mental health care.
The plan will have guaranteed eligibility --- no one will be turned away from any insurance plan because of illness or pre-existing conditions. To me that is key, because right now if you are already sick, you cannot get into a plan.
Individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP but still need financial assistance will receive an income-related federal subsidy to buy into the new public plan or purchase a private health care plan.
Participants in the new public plan will be able to move from job to job without changing or jeopardizing their health care coverage. That is another key thing. I know people who stick with the same crappy job because they can't afford losing their coverage if they change jobs.
People keep saying all he is offereing is slogans and no specifics, but if you bother to listen the specifics are there.
Do You Think Barack Obama Represents ??Change??
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Originally Posted by BigWeed
Yes I do belive that obama represents change for america. I for one want a real health care plan that wont increase if you become ill or even if you your hurt in a accident. Take it from me I now my health care plan went up 40% because I was in a car wreck last year that wasnt even my fault and do you think that Mccain has a plan to reduce my care no. The people he cares about is rich people they are the only ones that will benefit if hes prez. If you think hes for the blue collar worker you need to talk to some friends of mine they hate Mccain and all the republicans if you look at what they stand for they stand for the rich.:rasta::rastasmoke::pimp:
Please provide evidence on how Obama is going to do this? Do you think this is free that he can conjure up healthcare out of thin air? Force regulation on insurance companies in an industry known for frivalous lawsuits which harm the doctors whom in turn roll over the cost of these law suits, in addition to their knowledge and the expensive cost of equipment onto the consumer.
It's just as it is with any other market. That's not to say that I don't think the insurance industry needs some regulation but no where near the amount that people suggest.
Medical care is expensive... period. If you want socialized health care or even regulated healthcare then someone has to pay for that.
Where do you propose that money is going to come from? Your Obama supports the cost of oil going up, he just wishes it wasn't slowly rising instead of what occured recently. A man who wants to tax the American people at a time when we need money in our pockets.
So either way you slice it or dice it guess what.. YOU ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.
In other countries that have socialized medicine the average income tax is roughly 50%.
So I ask you to choose.. in an economy with rising oil costs which effects the cost of nearly everything: electricity, groceries, gasoline, clothing, delivery services etc etc... are you going to choose to get taxed even more of your income or are you going to choose to keep that money in your pocket so you can continue to maintain the lifestyle you're accustomed to.
Nothing in life is free and medical care is one of the most expensive things in life. You pay for it one way or another.
Do You Think Barack Obama Represents ??Change??
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Originally Posted by BigWeed
One more thing Mcain has plans to make rich people richer now think about that.:rasta::rastasmoke::pimp:
Wow.. where is your evidence of this? People always assume the Republicans are the ones who want to make rich people richer.
Do people not realize that it's democrats who raise taxes?
Republican economics generally revolve around allowing the Citizens have more money in their pockets.. so they can spend more.. so it stimulates domestic economy..
Where as democrats tend to think of taxing everyone, creating more social programs to create a flat playing field. The problem with this is that everyone has less money in their pockets.. and thus less spending... which leads to problems further in the future due to the curve trend it creates. Initially economic growth and then a huge downward turn after the bubble crashes.
This is just about the insurance.. then there's Iraq. He basically wants to cripple our presence there. Which honestly I never wanted us to be there in the first place; however since we're there I feel we owe it to the people of Iraq to stay there until everything is stable.
Are you familiar with the History of Russia and Afghanistan? Russia went into Afghanistan, destroyed the country... semi-occupied it before being driven out by a group that came together out of necessity. What is the name of that group you ask? Well that is the terrorist organization now known as the Taliban.
Do you see that the US & Iraq are almost identical to the situation with Russia and Afghanistan in that if we just walk out on them we're allowing oppurtunity for muslim extremists to take over the country/overthrow the country and just allow it to become a breeding ground for more terrorists?
We shouldn't of been there in the first place but don't you want something to show for all the time, debt and american lives lost that we've tallied up?
Barrack Obama hasn't said how he plans to "change" anything. He hasn't said anything that's made me look at him as the beacon of "hope" that he claims to be.
Words like Change and Hope are just that.. words and nothing more. They have no meaning unless you have substance to back them. It's blatantly obvious through the democratic debates that Obama doesn't have a clue. It's further evident that he doesn't want to expose himself as he is dodging McCain to several Townhall events that he invited Obama to participate in with him.
Obama's strategy this entire election whenever some negative information rises around him is to insult the American people. He always uses this line
"C'mon, you know better."
Insinuating that if we believe that then we must not be intelligent. How should we know better? We don't know Mr. Obama. We are not friends with us.. he is only a senator of 1 state. A man who doesn't vote in congress 33-40% of the time because he doesn't show up, a man who constantly has former terrorists, corrupt and racist people being uncovered around him.
Yet America ignores this because Obama is leading people like sheep. He is using the power of the media to control the ignorant and the lazy.
It's evident to me that everytime I ask an Obama supporter why they support Obama they say because he's going to change the government. Then I proceed to ask them what is he going to change... generally around here they kind of stumble but they manage to say something.... either Iraq, or the economy or something similar. So then I ask them again how is he going to do that... No one has been able to move beyond this question.
Because Barack Obama doesn't say anything. You can't answer a question if the man hasn't explained his ideas or plans to do what he says.
I do not particularly care for McCain but I would pick him over Obama any day.
ps: McCain is actually a Moderate.. he is very different from the image of republicans people generally have. Usually when people think republicans they think ultra conservative. He's only recently started aligning himself with the conservatives in order to be able to win over his own party. Many of his party don't like him because he is MODERATE and NOT a CONSERVATIVE.
Good day :thumbsup:
Do You Think Barack Obama Represents ??Change??
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
People keep saying all he is offereing is slogans and no specifics, but if you bother to listen the specifics are there.
Please explain to me what he has proposed in DETAIL and how he plans to achieve it IN DETAIL...
Because I didn't see anything specific in Bigweed's post and I've watched all of Obama's speeches that have been televised or on Youtube.. The man has not said or explained a single thing. All I hear is propaganda and alot of reverse psychology.
"C'mon.. you know better than that" is an insulting term if you think about it; and obama likes to use it often. You question the person's intelligence and ability to reason. No one wants to feel like they are lacking in this area; so a number of people who can't see beyond this facade fall for his trick and side with Obama when the man has actually not said a single word.
All I see surrounding Obama is him spinning whatever the latest thing that's been uncovered about him. Spinning it and spinning it well. Fooling the American people. This guy is worse than Bill Clinton.. Bill Clinton may have blatantly lied to the American people to their face, but this guy is using mind games and manipulating the masses.
Do You Think Barack Obama Represents ??Change??
[quote=Psycho4Bud]ARLINGTON, Va., June 12 /Standard Newswire/ -- Today, on the fourth day of Barack Obama's "Change That Works For You" tour, McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds issued the following statement:
"Barack Obama's assertion that the only problem with higher gas prices is that they've gone up too fast -- saying he'd prefer a 'gradual' increase instead -- shows how clearly out of touch he is with Americans struggling with record gas prices. At a time when Americans need relief at the pump, Barack Obama's support for higher gas prices and higher energy taxes is just another example of his weak economic judgment."
This Week In An Interview With CNBC, Barack Obama Said He Would Have Preferred If Higher Gasoline Prices Happened More Gradually:
THANKS for all the good info. With all the reading, I've yet to do, it will help me make up my mind! I always like to know the facts. Don't know how U do it, but I appreciate all this! My initial gutt feeling is--there will be no change, until I read all the attached data. You brought up a lot of points I did not hear in the senate hearing, but did not hear it all! He did state that forcing oil co. to lower price in ILL. did not filter to consumer
Now, I have some homework! :thumbsup:
Oh, is that Harwood guy the one that dropped dead today or was it the MSNBC guy, from Hard Copy! man i liked that dude's political questions!
Do You Think Barack Obama Represents ??Change??
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Originally Posted by daihashi
Please explain to me what he has proposed in DETAIL and how he plans to achieve it IN DETAIL...
Because I didn't see anything specific in Bigweed's post and I've watched all of Obama's speeches that have been televised or on Youtube.. The man has not said or explained a single thing. All I hear is propaganda and alot of reverse psychology.
"C'mon.. you know better than that" is an insulting term if you think about it; and obama likes to use it often. You question the person's intelligence and ability to reason. No one wants to feel like they are lacking in this area; so a number of people who can't see beyond this facade fall for his trick and side with Obama when the man has actually not said a single word.
All I see surrounding Obama is him spinning whatever the latest thing that's been uncovered about him. Spinning it and spinning it well. Fooling the American people. This guy is worse than Bill Clinton.. Bill Clinton may have blatantly lied to the American people to their face, but this guy is using mind games and manipulating the masses.
So you havent heard him say He wants to reduce health care costs and give my son $4000 dollars on his college, and make those rich #%%%pay for some of it thats what Im hearing. Like I said John Mccain is for the rich and keeping money in his pockets and his wifes. I want you to show me what Mccain has to offer me than asking for a town hall debate Id like to be there to ask him myself but they woundnt let me in because I dont support him. In detail hes going to give me better health care,my kids can afford college,put money back in pocket,and how is he going to do it the rich people ARE GOING YO PAY FOR IT. Its time they carried me on their backs because Im tired of carring them.:rasta::rastasmoke::pimp:
Do You Think Barack Obama Represents ??Change??
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Originally Posted by BigWeed
So you havent heard him say He wants to reduce health care costs and give my son $4000 dollars on his college, and make those rich #%%%pay for some of it thats what Im hearing. Like I said John Mccain is for the rich and keeping money in his pockets and his wifes. :rasta::rastasmoke::pimp:
Prove your statements. How is John McCain for the rich and keeping putting money in his pocket. With actual evidence.
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In detail hes going to give me better health care,my kids can afford college,put money back in pocket,and how is he going to do it the rich people ARE GOING YO PAY FOR IT. Its time they carried me on their backs because Im tired of carring them.
Really? That's detailed because to me that doesn't say anything.
How is he going to reduce healthcare costs? Through What means is he going to accomplish this goal? Where is he going to get the money to give your son $4000? Where is his plan to accomplish all these things he's telling you.
Do you not see that he doesn't have a plan, he doesn't explain anything. Anyone can make empty promises with no ideas or plans.
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I want you to show me what Mccain has to offer me than asking for a town hall debate Id like to be there to ask him myself but they woundnt let me in because I dont support him.
Please check the McCain thread. I left you a very nice long well thought out reply.
No offense but your posts come off as very ignorant and that's not meant as an insult, I mean it by the definition in that you appear to be uninformed and uneducated with factual information on either candidate. You're pointing the finger at a person who has voiced his concerns about health care and made a reasonable plan to try to correct it by putting the power in your hands and then you're accusing him of trying to take money from you when he's made no such mention?
I ask you again, What is Obama's plan and please explain to me why it is good. What the benefits and negatives of it are?
ps: I know what Obama's plan is and there is a critical flaw in it. It sounds good but everyone would end up suffering in the end.
Please feel free to voice your thoughts on it in detail.
I would like to know how he's going to do it, why it's a good plan and what are the draw backs.
I've answered your posts with detailed well thought out posts and I would appreciate the same if you choose to reply to me. I've put effort into my post as I feel that knowledge is power. I would appreciate it if you would do me the same courtesy. :thumbsup: