Why i think a Theory of Everything wont be ever made

thanks for the input greendestiny...

people have proposed theistic evolution (god or the source of us setting the big bang into motion) and i personally agree with it on many levels...

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Originally Posted by hazetwostep

i'm not understanding on pg 36 where the author talks about a "scientific revolution" not really being about truth... i cannot see how a paradigm that does not have a factual basis could survive...

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Well... Greendestinys answer is very good, so i will let his words be mine... i only would like to add that every paradigm has factual basis... they are based upon choosen facts that seems to fit together forming a coherent unity, which gives origin to the paradigm. But, no paradigm can explain all facts, and thats why there is competition between them. I would say that the difference between paradigms lies in which facts they choose as important (and try to explain) and which facts they choose as irrelevant (and try to deny/forget).

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Originally Posted by Coelho

I would say that the difference between paradigms lies in which facts they choose as important (and try to explain) and which facts they choose as irrelevant (and try to deny/forget).

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Denial and exclusion are, unfortunately, key elements in how our society goes about creating theories and explaining the workings of the world. Good point. Everything from science to religion bases its' entire "philosophy" on assumed information, all while omitting much of the important information. I think denial is a defense mechanism that we have stuffed away in our brain. Keep adding your two cents people.

Stay :D and Keep :jointsmile:

OK so I'm going to take the conversation back a little:

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Originally Posted by Coelho

Because math is the way that our minds use to understand the world.

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Kind off like how philosophers say logic is the right way to discovering the truth, but when THEY made the whole concept of logic up.

Also, if it were possible to find a unified theory, what would the human race do once that is achieved ? Would it also explain the meaning of life ? Is it even possible to do so : who says the laws determining life, don't state that we wont discover them?

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Originally Posted by Coelho

and statistics is only an way to disguise our lack of better knowledge about the matter being studied.

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Ex: Quantum physics.

Once upon a time, astronomers would look at the stars and try to draw their paths in the sky. They eventually noticed that some stars would, in a seemingly random manner, appear in the sky. They observed longer and eventually found out that those stars were actually planets and they drew out the trajectory of those planets according to the fact that EARTH was the center of the universe and, even tho it seemed particular it was accepted. Not too long after Heliocentrism was discovered, and thanks to this model of the universe they could better explain the movement of the planets in the sky.

So: drastic change in the way we perceive the universe = better (?) understanding.

All this to say that the probabilities in quantum physics are most likely caused by our bad perception of the world, and that soon-ish some one will come up with a better way to look at things, and that will make the world easier to explain. BUT eventually even that comprehension wont suffice.

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

Nothing is perfect.

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How about the concept of perfection itself?

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Originally Posted by GreenDestiny

but a single point has zero dimensions, so it does not really exist. there are no points, space is an illusion... and so is time.

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Yeah we made up "space" and "time". We also invented the concept of a "point" to help us explain our world. But in the end what differentiates an illusion from reality?

Ok so what I guess I'm really trying to say is this: Most likely, no unified theory will ever be discovered. But that doesn't matter, because I don't think we ever can find it. In fact, I dont even think we WANT to find it.

Imagine Mr. Scientist growing up thinking: "In my life I will discover the unified theory of everything".
Now Imagine him actually finding it.

He would at that point understand EVERYTHING. Humans (or what ever form of "pre-humans" we really are) aren't designed....







shit who the fuck says were designed by anything.

Im off to hit the bong and sort this out.

ps. Nice community by the way!:jointsmile::thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by thefrenchman

shit who the fuck says were designed by anything.

Im off to hit the bong and sort this out.

ps. Nice community by the way!:jointsmile::thumbsup:

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uh...

the jesus people...

nothing is perfect.
perfection is nothing, therefore it is perfect.

Nothingness is perfect.

Infinity is perfect.

Impossible is perfect, because it cannot be touched by human influences.