IRAQ WAR 2002 / IRAN WAR 2008

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Originally Posted by FreshNugz

Ok to the first comment you made about me having lost faith in my personal ability to change the US position of world police force. Well, I can't make a difference. That's why I said the world has to act. So my comment shouldn't make you sad or mad. I'm all for the power of people to enforce change, but in the case of this it's a different scenario. It will take something huge. Like maybe a person capable of running that country being elected...sometime...
And I'm canadian, so the lack of backbone you say I have really doesn't apply to any analysis of your country.

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Sorry dude didn't know you were Canadian. Your words just reminded me of a lot of Americans.

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Originally Posted by FreshNugz

And second, about the Iranian thing...I didn't say ever that I advocated destroying Iran. Nowhere. Please don't put words in my mouth. And yes, I do know that they teach in an anti semitic fashion, and oppress any sort of person who doesn't conform to islamic law in Iran. I don't need any left or right news networks to tell me, the people have ways of getting words out.

And to the last point...who's government are you talking about.

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What would a war against Iran do to their country?

The Iranian Government.

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Originally Posted by epxroot

Not all countries see the Hezbollah as Terrorists. Some countries see this group as legitimate resistance movement.

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Maybe Iran and Syria but besides that, I doubt it.
Hezbollah (a.k.a. Hizbollah, Hizbu'llah) - Council on Foreign Relations

Have a good one!:s4:

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Maybe Iran and Syria but besides that, I doubt it.
Hezbollah (a.k.a. Hizbollah, Hizbu'llah) - Council on Foreign Relations

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I believe the EU does not see them as a terrorist org.

France and Britain have been the principal European targets of Hezbollah terrorism, in part because both countries opposed Hezbollah's agenda in Lebanon and were perceived to be enemies of Iran, Hezbollah's chief patron. Hezbollah has been involved in many terrorist attacks against Europeans, including:

The October 1983 bombing of the French contingent of the multinational peacekeeping force in Lebanon (on the same day as the U.S. Marine barracks bombing), which killed 58 French soldiers;
The December 1983 bombing of the French Embassy in Kuwait;
The April 1985 bombing of a restaurant near a U.S. base in Madrid, Spain, which killed 18 Spanish citizens;
A campaign of 13 bombings in France in 1986 that targeted shopping centers and railroad facilities, killing 13 people and wounding more than 250; and
A March 1989 attempt to assassinate British novelist Salman Rushdie that failed when a bomb exploded prematurely, killing a terrorist in London.

Individual EU member states, such as France and Germany, have previously taken legal action against Hezbollah. Germany has deported Hezbollah operatives and France banned Hezbollah's al-Manar television network in 2004. But such actions were undertaken in an ad hoc manner on a country by country basis, not in a systematic manner by the EU as a whole. Given that protecting citizens is the highest duty of the state, such half-hearted piecemeal policies are irresponsible.

Putting Hezbollah on the EU terrorism list would require the consent of all 27 EU member states. Such action would oblige each member to prohibit the channeling of money from European entities and individuals to Hezbollah, and to seize Hezbollah assets in the EU.On March 10, 2005, the EU Parliament voted overwhelmingly to adopt a resolution that affirmed Hezbollah's involvement in terrorist activities and ordered the EU Council to "take all necessary steps to curtail" Hezbollah.
Hezbollah's Terrorist Threat to the European Union

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Originally Posted by fishman3811

Dragonrider your funny we got em surrounded boys lets get em....get them with what 150000 troops lol right against a military with 900 000 active and reserves personnel...

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You know I was being sarcastic, right?

I don't support any knid of attack on Iran at this point. If they get close to having a nuclear weapon, then I think that needs to be prevented, even if it involves military force. But I don't think they are close. And this administration has very little credibility with any "evidence" it presents for making its case --- they've been caught in too many lies.

One thing's for sure --- if we send our military into Iran or any other country, we need to know EXACTLY what we are trying to accomplish and how we are going to get out. Colin Powel had it right in the first Gulf War --- you need clear objectives and an exit strategy. Unlike our current administration who does not follow the "Powel Doctrine" and is more of the "Fuck yeah! Let's get 'em!" type. We can never go into another mess like this one in Iraq.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

France and Britain have been the principal European targets of Hezbollah terrorism, in part because both countries opposed Hezbollah's agenda in Lebanon and were perceived to be enemies of Iran, Hezbollah's chief patron. Hezbollah has been involved in many terrorist attacks against Europeans, including:

The October 1983 bombing of the French contingent of the multinational peacekeeping force in Lebanon (on the same day as the U.S. Marine barracks bombing), which killed 58 French soldiers;
The December 1983 bombing of the French Embassy in Kuwait;
The April 1985 bombing of a restaurant near a U.S. base in Madrid, Spain, which killed 18 Spanish citizens;
A campaign of 13 bombings in France in 1986 that targeted shopping centers and railroad facilities, killing 13 people and wounding more than 250; and
A March 1989 attempt to assassinate British novelist Salman Rushdie that failed when a bomb exploded prematurely, killing a terrorist in London.

Individual EU member states, such as France and Germany, have previously taken legal action against Hezbollah. Germany has deported Hezbollah operatives and France banned Hezbollah's al-Manar television network in 2004. But such actions were undertaken in an ad hoc manner on a country by country basis, not in a systematic manner by the EU as a whole. Given that protecting citizens is the highest duty of the state, such half-hearted piecemeal policies are irresponsible.

Putting Hezbollah on the EU terrorism list would require the consent of all 27 EU member states. Such action would oblige each member to prohibit the channeling of money from European entities and individuals to Hezbollah, and to seize Hezbollah assets in the EU.On March 10, 2005, the EU Parliament voted overwhelmingly to adopt a resolution that affirmed Hezbollah's involvement in terrorist activities and ordered the EU Council to "take all necessary steps to curtail" Hezbollah.
Hezbollah's Terrorist Threat to the European Union

Have a good one!:s4:

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Sir! I stand corrected. Don't understand what I was thinking that early in the morning. :thumbsup:

Dragonrider np bro i just thought it was a really funny statement to make .......

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Originally Posted by epxroot

Sorry dude didn't know you were Canadian. Your words just reminded me of a lot of Americans.

What would a war against Iran do to their country?

The Iranian Government.

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It's alright. And I sound like that because I am very interested in your country. How it was founded, its entire history. And that is a lot of people. However a lot don't like how the way America now is completely opposite to the way it was originally created to be. I don't need to cite examples, though if you want some I gladly would.

Anyways, I respect the patriotism of Americans as well. Of course their country is great. What they are taught about the foundation and basic principles though is not today's reality. I'd say shit hit the fan around Kennedy's assassination. But this is all just my views...and nowhere do I mean to offend anyone by them. Just observations. So hopefully I haven't offended you.
Cause the funny thing is you quote Ron Paul in your sig, so I have a feeling we might share some common ground politically. And that you know the exact thing i'm talking about(the erosion of the Constitution).

What would a war against Iran do to that country? I don't want to know really...but I know it may possibly save thousands or millions of Jewish people who'd be threatened by a nuclear Iran. Come on, if you have Hillary Clinton(I know she's a more hawkish lady)..but come on, if she says she would bomb Iran, I'd have to think there's a reason other than its that time of the month for her like some may suggest.

Now, I realize that I've constantly said America needs to stop the world police thing, and this is why I suggest the world needs to act when it comes to Iran. Unfortunately, we have 5 member countries on our useless security council, two of them who are communist...which we had to do in 1945 or else the tension wouldn't have ceased...so basically its a useless council because it has to appease to those countries by letting them have a place there...and in turn, when it comes to a problem like Iran, the old original lines are drawn...West vs. the rest.
Shitty situation. But more than America needs to threaten to act if we want any sort of resolution. It kills me to think there are people actually believing that "peace talks" with Iran are going to accomplish anything. That said I never want to see it happen and hope it will diminish peacefully. That's about all the control I have on that situation.