Clinton, Obama on collision course tonight

But actually what I said wasn't condescending or offensive, I just had a feeling it would be taken that way, so to avoid changing the topic I was going to edit one small irrelevant comment out, not the entire post as you felt was needed. :rolleyes:

Calling the Vietnamese "armed combatants" is an idiotic comment for anyone to make, that's nothing personal. Anyone with a gun can be considered an "armed combatant". The majority of American citizens can be considered "armed combatants" for simply owning a gun. The Vietnam war was an ideological war against communism, it wasn't a war against a threatening country. Russia was our threat, not Vietnam, but our politicians didn't have the balls to go to war with Russia, so instead we go to war with one of their piss poor allies in an attempt to fight against the communism ideology. I should also point out that much of the weaponry came from Russia, so Russia was essentially arming and feeding a poor country that didn't know any better. Demonizing the Vietnamese is a pathetic way of justifying our actions against a country caught in the middle of two highly militarized nations.

Obviously that war failed, and a lot of innocent Vietnamese died because of it. Ideological wars can never succeed, our war against communism ended with the self implosion of Russia, but communism still exists today and we have managed to live at peace with these differences in ideologies. The same is going on with terrorism, the war on terror is another ideological war. Just like communism, terrorism is not something that can be won militarily. No matter how evil we try to paint our enemies, this war will never end because of our military might. That only emboldens our enemy and makes them stronger and more united against us.

The very word terrorist is a loosely used word tossed around like we tossed around the word communist, it's another modern day witch hunt. Anybody can be labeled as a terrorist, or a sponsor of terror. These loosely defined words are used as justifications for the horrors we commit against non-threatening people in the world. So as I pointed out with my McCain example, ANYBODY can be considered a terrorist, even someone who obviously loves his country and would never want to intentionally cause harm to his countrymen. So making any connections to Obama and terrorism is completely ridiculous and idiotic, just as my connection of McCain to being a terrorist was idiotic had I been serious.

If you disagree, then I'd love to hear you explain how Obama can be compared to the same mentality that caused a group of alienated people to fly commercial jets into buildings full of innocent people. If you honestly believe any presidential candidate, such as Barack Obama, can in anyway sympathize with people like that, then I'd love to hear your explanation of how those two mentalities have any connection at all. Or will you do as you normally do, and just remove my posts when you can't argue against it?

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But actually what I said wasn't condescending or offensive, I just had a feeling it would be taken that way, so to avoid changing the topic I was going to edit one small irrelevant comment out, not the entire post as you felt was needed. :rolleyes:

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Actually I would have IF we had the edit option for user posts in here. People in here aren't "idiots" and that type of insult is no longer allowed. NOT my rules...the sites!

That gives me one of two choices....just delete the post and give a bit of a hint OR give an infraction which I'd just as soon not do. Either way would result in the same thing, deletion/closing of the post/thread. We ALL have our own beliefs and I believe we are all old enough to debate issues without insulting each other.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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If you disagree, then I'd love to hear you explain how Obama can be compared to the same mentality that caused a group of alienated people to fly commercial jets into buildings full of innocent people. If you honestly believe any presidential candidate, such as Barack Obama, can in anyway sympathize with people like that, then I'd love to hear your explanation of how those two mentalities have any connection at all. Or will you do as you normally do, and just remove my posts when you can't argue against it?

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McCain may be considered as a terrorist in Vietnam but he's considered a hero here in the states. Likewise, Osama and friends are considered hero's in their region but terrorists here. William Ayers is considered a terrorist, self admitted, in the states and the good Rev. Wright is considered a racist. I'm NOT saying that Obama is either but I do say he has a bad choice for friends and mentors. Makes ya think; Do birds of a feather tend to flock together?

Have a good one!:s4:

My post above points out how it WASN'T a personal attack, I would like to assume everyone is smart enough to understand calling a comment idiotic is not the same as calling a person an idiot, but some people don't always make that connection. This is normal and why I was going to edit out that comment so this topic wouldn't go into an irrelevant he said, she said argument, but thanks for taking it that direction and away from anything worth discussing.

Now, if you would like to get back on topic and argue against my points, be my guest. :thumbsup:

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This is normal and why I was going to edit out that comment so this topic wouldn't go into an irrelevant he said, she said argument, but thanks for taking it that direction and away from anything worth discussing.

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To bad ya didn't. That edit feature works great! Keep it peaceful, not insultive, and you'll have no problems with posts in the future.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

That assumption is assuming Obama is too stupid to talk to people of different beliefs. I enjoy talking to people with different views than my own, so I don't see anything wrong with being friends with someone you call a terrorist. Another point is that you continue to use this word terrorist even after I have clearly pointed out how loose that word can be used. It makes me wonder if any of the 5 people visiting the politics section is even reading my posts, if not then I'm wasting my time.

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To bad ya didn't. That edit feature works great! Keep it peaceful, not insultive, and you'll have no problems with posts in the future.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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It wasn't insulting, how many times do I have to point that out to you? Again you ignore the substance of my posts because you can't argue against what I am saying regarding the topic at hand. Instead, you are trying to change the topic because that is all you can argue against.

So again, back on topic or do you want to continue this irrelevant discussion about nothing?

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It wasn't insulting, how many times do I have to point that out to you?

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I'm done with this bullshit! Debate without the insults or find a site that goes for that. Easy enough. Your choice but from here on this line of discussion WILL be deleted and I'll only waste my time doing it for so long.

"Now go think about that for a little while before conjuring up an idiotic response"....this is insultive and not allowed in here not to mention it probably would have been the base for a flame war between you and the other member. IF this is your regular attitude, you may want to explore other sites.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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That assumption is assuming Obama is too stupid to talk to people of different beliefs. I enjoy talking to people with different views than my own, so I don't see anything wrong with being friends with someone you call a terrorist.

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I talk with people that hold other beliefs also...to a point. When/if they come across as racists I say GOODBYE! If they were to brag about acts of terrorism that resulted in setting off bombs that caused innocent people to die...once again GOODBYE!

``He says what he has to say as a politician. I say what I have to say as a pastor,'' Wright said in an interview with PBS's ``Bill Moyers Journal'' scheduled to air tonight. ``They are two different worlds.''
Bloomberg.com: Worldwide

As for the return of his controversial former pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright who gave a recent interview to Bill Moyers and said Obama played politics in his response to the controversy, Obama said Wright's response was "to be expected".
Political Radar: Obama: Rev. Wright's Response 'To Be Expected'

Seems even the good Rev. thinks Obama is just playing politics regarding his statements.

Have a good one!:s4:

..........I know I say this a lot on here but.....I'm still baffled why people are actually going to VOTE one of these terrible people into office. I mean, it's not like things are actually going to get BETTER in the U.S. I mean come on, let's face it, we are on a downhill slope that theres no fuckin' way out of. Regardless of who decides to sit their fat ass in the Oval Office (well, except Obama, he's pretty slim), we're going to continue being hated and no one in America will actually get along and get anything done.

The only real way for change is complete revolution, starting with everyone refusing to vote. Eventually we'd probably have to move on to armed resistance and invoke our 2nd amendment rights and establish our own state-militias. Thats what I'm banking on and expecting. Ugh, I sound like some backwoods Montana radical but I guess they have it right. I'm sorry, but if any of you REALLY think this election will cause any kind of good vibes, you're just silly. I'd like to pat you on the head.