To the Ron Paul haters

Excerpt from RP speach to the house:
Some Observations on Four Terms in Congress by Ron Paul
"Serving here has been a wonderful experience, and the many friendships will be cherished. I am, however, the first to admit the limited impact I've had on the legislative process. By conventional wisdom, I am "ineffective," unable to trade votes, and champion anyone's special privilege â?? even my own district's. It places me in a lonely category here in Washington. If the political career is not the goal sought, possibly the measuring of "effectiveness" should be done by using a different standard."
So he is unable to champion the needs and wishes of his own constituency? Thank god he's unelectable as president.

Here is a few facts about this saint of a candidate:
Ron Paul on the Issues

Obviously one can cherry-pick issues they think RP represents, but ya have to look at the whole picture. In my opinion, most of his views are just whacky.
Here's a few:
Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
Weak economy is source of resentment against immigrants. (Dec 2007)
Tamper-proof I.D. for immigrants is a bad idea. (Jan 2006)
Changed opinion to anti-death penalty due to many mistakes. (Sep 2007)
Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)

And there's bunches more.

I just came back from a three-block drive to the bank, and, while sitting at a red-light, I see a Ron Paul sign.

Go Virginia Beach!

Obama was at the Pavilion, last night.

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

Most of the people who vehemently oppose him on these boards are conservatives, not liberals.

I think Democrats just generally consider him to be a fringe character of the other party who doesn't seriously challenge them in any way. They basically say, "He's your problem, not ours! You deal with him."

Republicans come down hard on him for a few reasons.

• He challenges them on how faithful they really are to the ideals they claim to uphold.
• He is actually very critical of his own party in many ways, so it's not surprising there is a backlash.
• He's not "on message," so he becomes a distraction and divisive figure for the GOP.
• Some probably think he reflects poorly on their party. Looney-bird, nut-case, crazy-aunt-in-the-attic kind of thing.

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Ron Pauls got a lot of good ideas but after reading over his YES/NO votes on somethings. It just seems like he has a very radical self view on things. Some things he voted yes on fall into the same catagory as things he voted no on. I don't think he would be strong for the way our government is designed.
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Originally Posted by psychorebel

i personaly like ron paul hes racist and wants to legalize pot what else could you want i really want mccain and him to run together but that will never happen

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LOL. Theres a couple that would slap America and wake it up.

i agree wtih some things he says, i think his wanting to go back to the gold standard, bring religion into politics, and eliminate certain government programs is ridiculous. i would have voted for kucinich had he not dropped out. basically everything paul stood for that i liked so did kucinich, and kucinich also stood against paul on all the issues i did. what i like about both of them is they appear to be incorruptible and say what they mean. that must be why neither will ever have a shot at wi nning.

if obama wins ill vote for him. if he doesnt, im not voting for president.

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Originally Posted by benvortec

8182KSKUSH - I hope that any true and knowledgeable Paul supporter will tell you that he won't be able to simply "rub his hands together" and then weed will be legal.

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A very few have actually tried to explain what he "may" do, but the vast majority of Paul supporters can't. No offense to you, but one of the biggest problems with Ron Pauls campaign is that it is almost entirely made up of people that are just "fanatics" and if you ask them anything that deviates from the Paul talking points they are lost. You, Zimzum, Angry Nomad, and a few others clearly understand his political positions, but Paul is dependant on "uninformed fanatics" that make up his base. That is just my opinion of what Ron Paul is doing, not trying to bad mouth any supporters here. Please don't take offense, I am trying to make a point about "how" Ron Paul conducts himself not about members of this forum.

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Originally Posted by benvortec

What he promises is to limit the federal government and to restore the rights of the citizens in your own state. This is also how he feels about ABORTION which many people see as a major issue. He doesn't want to run your country he wants to let YOU run YOUR country, and that's what i like so much about him. At this point in our "democratic" nation we as individual citizens have lost our voice in big government and he plans to restore the power of authority to the states government in which case people within their own state can come together and choose what they want and don't want to be legal. And if you live in a state that (the majority) doesn't agree with your own personal opinions there will more than likely be a state that you can move to that honors those values.

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Could not agree with you and Paul more on these political positions, however when you choose who you vote for for president, 1 key factor is, CAN THEY GET IT DONE, as Rusty has pointed out, and even by Paul's own admission, he likely could not. Why vote for him if he can't actually DO the things he talks about? Those are really fundamental conservative values.

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Originally Posted by benvortec

Honestly though... i don't even see weed legalization or abortion as an urgent topic of discussion.

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You are in the minority of Paul supporters my friend! I bet if we started a poll here saying "why do you support Ron Paul" the and listed 4 choices and 1 of them was "he will legalize weed" you would see what I am talking about.

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Originally Posted by benvortec

I think what is most important at this point is the status of our economy which government spending and raising taxes won't fix. Personally i don't know how anybody could vote for anyone else just for the simple fact of our economy. When it comes down to it all of the other candidates are just talking jibberish if they're not addressing the real problem which is our economy. It all comes down to the all mighty dollar. Without restoring our economy health care and social security promises are simply a joke because our economy cannot withstand either program. Unless of course you want your income taxes raised %110 or you would like lots of government spending and inflation and our dollar to only be worth 1/2 a Peso! haha :rastasmoke:

Also when it comes down to it we cannot prosper as a country until we get out of a war that we never should have went into and we cannot financially continue the empire building and policing of the world. Eventually whether you believe in karma or not, this will come back to bite us in the ass... it's the blowback affect.
PEACE and i hope this informed some of the misinformed :hippy:

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And this would be where you lose me, sorry! This is the part of the Ron Paul dogma that I disagree with, not in total, but in premise. Things aren't as bad as he thinks, and they aren't as bad as what he is telling people to believe. This is where he joins the Hate America crowd. And his stance on the war is waay out there. Although I agree with him that we should not interfere with Isreal and allow them to handle some shit as I know they could and would have already. But I don't believe much else he has to offer on the topic.:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by THClord

8182, presidents have the greatest power in congress out of everybody with the power of persuasion. .

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No that's not how it works.:jointsmile:

I just found out that my pot-charge was dismissed seven years ago, after I spent weeks trying to figure out how to restore my voting rights.

Go Virginia Beach!

I don't know who I will vote for.

Personally i respect Ron Paul a great deal. He is extremely truthfull in his campaign and provides genuine ideas, but personally I am very liberal, and think his ideas are wrong. That is why liberals hate him, because he is by far the most conservative candidate. Conservatives hate on him so much as a defense mechanism, because he shows them what being conservative is all about.
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MIKE GRAVEL!!!

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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH

A very few have actually tried to explain what he "may" do, but the vast majority of Paul supporters can't. No offense to you, but one of the biggest problems with Ron Pauls campaign is that it is almost entirely made up of people that are just "fanatics" and if you ask them anything that deviates from the Paul talking points they are lost. You, Zimzum, Angry Nomad, and a few others clearly understand his political positions, but Paul is dependant on "uninformed fanatics" that make up his base. That is just my opinion of what Ron Paul is doing, not trying to bad mouth any supporters here. Please don't take offense, I am trying to make a point about "how" Ron Paul conducts himself not about members of this forum.


Could not agree with you and Paul more on these political positions, however when you choose who you vote for for president, 1 key factor is, CAN THEY GET IT DONE, as Rusty has pointed out, and even by Paul's own admission, he likely could not. Why vote for him if he can't actually DO the things he talks about? Those are really fundamental conservative values.


You are in the minority of Paul supporters my friend! I bet if we started a poll here saying "why do you support Ron Paul" the and listed 4 choices and 1 of them was "he will legalize weed" you would see what I am talking about.

And this would be where you lose me, sorry! This is the part of the Ron Paul dogma that I disagree with, not in total, but in premise. Things aren't as bad as he thinks, and they aren't as bad as what he is telling people to believe. This is where he joins the Hate America crowd. And his stance on the war is waay out there. Although I agree with him that we should not interfere with Isreal and allow them to handle some shit as I know they could and would have already. But I don't believe much else he has to offer on the topic.:thumbsup:

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Well i'm glad that i could help you see what some true Ron Paul supporters see and why we are so inspired. :s4: And to give you some actual information instead of just my opinion. However i still have to disagree with you on the economy. You should watch this video a couple times and really grasp whats going on. I think the economy is in a much worse shape then what most people perceive. I'm much more scared of the value of the dollar dropping or our economy crashing then a bunch of "terrorist threats" that all of the other candidates yak about. :smokin:
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