Global Warming?

This shows how statistics and half truths can be used to mislead.

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Originally Posted by Fencewalker

Carbon dioxide is not the major greenhouse gas, water vapor is.

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All of the gasses in the atmosphere contribute to the greenhouse effect and help to keep the planet warm. Water vapor is a major greenhouse gas. Without these gasses and the greenhouse effect, the earth would be a ball of ice. The greenhouse effect is not the problem, it is the increase in the greenhouse effect that is the problem. We are increasing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, which is increasing the greenhouse effect. It's irrelevant which gas contributes the most to the overall greenhouse effect, what is important is the gas that is contributing to the increase in the greenhouse effect --- CO2.

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Originally Posted by Fencewalker

Carbon dioxide accounts for less than ten percent of the greenhouse effect, as carbon dioxide's ability to absorb heat is quite limited.

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Again, it does not matter which gas is the "main" greenhouse gas. It matters that one of them (CO2) is increasing in concentration and is increasing the greenhouse effect.

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Originally Posted by Fencewalker

Only about 0.03 percent of the Earth's atmosphere consists of carbon dioxide (nitrogen, oxygen, and argon constitute about 78 percent, 20 percent, and 0.93 percent of the atmosphere, respectively).

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Same thing.

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Originally Posted by Fencewalker

Most of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere does not come from the burning of fossil fuels. Only about 14 percent of it does.

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This is very misleading. If you go to the source material, it may be true that 14% of the total CO2 in the atmosphere. But there was CO2 aleady in the atmosphere before burning of fossil fuels bagan, and what is important is the increase. According to the source material, 64% of the increase is due to fossil fuels --- so most of it is from fossil fuels. Acccording to the source material cited, the rest of the increase is from deforestation and making cement, and both are human activities. So, according to the source material, all of the increase is due to human activity, and most of that is due to fossil fuels. This is how statistics are used to lie.

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Originally Posted by Fencewalker

Most of 20th Century global warming occurred in the first few decades of that century, before the widespread burning of fossil fuels (and before 82 percent of the increase in atmospheric CO2 observed in the 20th Century).

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The link to the footnoted material in the source document is broken, so I can't check this one. But I do not think it is true. All of the hottest years on record are in the past few decades, mostly in very recent years. Shit is melting. It's getting hotter.

Half the time these "Fact Checks" you see are just more propaganda. You need to fact check the fact checks.

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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH

I would still burn one with you, in an environmentally friendly way of course!:D

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I sequester the carbon from my burning joints in my lungs.

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

I sequester the carbon from my burning joints in my lungs.

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Just sucks we have to use a flint stone to spark it!:D A nice plastic bic lighter would be much easier!

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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH

Just sucks we have to use a flint stone to spark it!:D A nice plastic bic lighter would be much easier!

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Get a hemp lighter that runs on bio-fuel. Works just as good as a bic, smells like french fries, and when it's empty you can compost it!

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Originally Posted by Fencewalker

Carbon dioxide is not the major greenhouse gas, water vapor is.

Carbon dioxide accounts for less than ten percent of the greenhouse effect, as carbon dioxide's ability to absorb heat is quite limited.

Only about 0.03 percent of the Earth's atmosphere consists of carbon dioxide (nitrogen, oxygen, and argon constitute about 78 percent, 20 percent, and 0.93 percent of the atmosphere, respectively).

Most of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere does not come from the burning of fossil fuels. Only about 14 percent of it does.

Most of 20th Century global warming occurred in the first few decades of that century, before the widespread burning of fossil fuels (and before 82 percent of the increase in atmospheric CO2 observed in the 20th Century).

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Great points, sorry Dragon.
I am never gonna buy that 14% of .03% of all the greenhouse gases are causing anything to happen that wouldn't be naturally occuring anyway. And water vapor obviously contributes in a far more significant manner to the overall "greenhouse effect". But it would not be as easy to convince people that THEY are the reason this is happening if this were acknowledged. So lift up the rug, and sweep that tid bit under it, place rug back down, go on like nothing happened! After all, it would be a little tough to launch a massive political movement on the premise of eliminating or reducing water vapour in the atmosphere!:D

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

Get a hemp lighter that runs on bio-fuel. Works just as good as a bic, smells like french fries, and when it's empty you can compost it!

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I am positive I would have to use fossil fuels somehow just to get the hemp lighter. But seriously, hemp lighter? Really? Like made out of hemp? No plastic or metal? That sounds awesome!

If it smells like french fries it must be a gift from the devine, I can't think of anything bad that smells like french fries!!!:stoned:

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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH

Great points, sorry Dragon.
I am never gonna buy that 14% of .03% of all the greenhouse gases are causing anything to happen that wouldn't be naturally occuring anyway. And water vapor obviously contributes in a far more significant manner to the overall "greenhouse effect". But it would not be as easy to convince people that THEY are the reason this is happening if this were acknowledged. So lift up the rug, and sweep that tid bit under it, place rug back down, go on like nothing happened! After all, it would be a little tough to launch a massive political movement on the premise of eliminating or reducing water vapour in the atmosphere!:D

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Already rebutted above ^^^^. These "facts" are misleading and do not address the real point --- the increase in greenhouse gases, not the existence of greenhouse gasses. The earth could not survive without the greenhouse effect. The greenhouse effect is not the problem --- it makes life possible on this planet. The problem is the increase in the grrenhouse effect. It's like putting on a blanket in the winter to keep warm. You might need one to be comfortable, but two is too many, and you'll get hot. Blankets are not the problem, too many blankets are.

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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH

I am positive I would have to use fossil fuels somehow just to get the hemp lighter. But seriously, hemp lighter? Really? Like made out of hemp? No plastic or metal? That sounds awesome!

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Well.... i might have made that one up...

Damn. If I could've produced a hemp lighter, I probably would've made and environmentalist out of him....