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Well my hydro guy wasn't there but I'm told by the OTHER DUDE THERE it's a very hot product right now and they have been hearing about some "pretty amazing" results with it.
That means I should use it and luckily the hubby was scheduled to "make a hydro run" tomorrow so we will pick some up. :thumbsup:
I promise you will not be disappointed, unless of course your plants are already in perfect condition and nothing more could help. I wouldn't be surprised, but as for my plants and I, we both need help.
WH, Rock and other folks, please listen or read carefully: Be sure to use a surfactant AKA wetting agent. If you don't, please do not use Liquid Light as you very well might burn your plants and burn them good. A wetting agent makes the liquid much less likely to form pools on the foliage, which is what causes the magnifying glass effect that will toast the leaves. I have tried Wet Betty and Penetrator. Wet Betty works and is slightly less expensive. Even less expensive is 1/2 teaspoon liquid dish detergent per gallon of water. I imagine that works to a certain degree since I see people everywhere saying that it will work. However, this Liquid Light is unlike anything else you may have foliar fed with. It is some weird, strong, (and expensive) stuff, and I highly recommend using the best surfactant you kind find. I firmly believe that this is Penetrator by Dutch Master, which also makes the Liquid Light. From my own personal experience it covers much better and makes a nice thin film on nearly 100% of the leaf, with very little, if any pooling. Wet Betty did not do this for me; seems like she covered maybe 50-80%. I believe this becomes especially important since directions call for the plants to be wet during lights on, while having the light as close as possible until the plants are dry, unlike other foliar feeds that say to spray just before the lights go out. For more independent studies about Penetrator vs other stuff visit the Dutch Master web site.
Furthermore: This stuff does some weird stuff to your plants. It makes them completely stand up straight and tall and with all their fan leaves stretching up and out, just like when you see the pictures that have captions like "Here's what a happy plant looks like." You can see the plant get shocked from this sudden transformation slightly, in the leaves as a few of them twist and curl for a couple days. This is nothing to be alarmed at since they straighten out later. The whole point is that I want you people to start at half strength. I have not used any other ratio at this point, and I'm thinking it's pretty much enough. Besides that stuff is damn expensive. If you like you can always increase the dose next time, and you can do this up to every other day.
Also don't be surprised if there is a slight bit of coloring or brown spots in a very few places. Just like a few dots where the combination of the light and chemicals did burn the leaf. This is only on a very small percentage of leaf surface area, like less than 0.01% or something. At least that's been my experience.
Opie,
you're 1 gracious dude when passing on offers. Wow, I mean, WOW.:thumbsup:
ok man, no worries, I'll just puuuuut it back in storage, I have a "touch" of OCD and I'm a "Tool-Guy". That combination equates to about 700 lbs of tools of many different types and trades collected over the years. When someone needs a piece of equipment, I'm "that" guy who gets the call. I do use all the equipment I have, just not all at the same time. I have some tools that were stored for 4 years including two 3000 mile relocations before i used it again, but it was there when i needed it.:D
its all about Karma my friend. I got a thing about Karma.Quote:
if indeed you planned on giving it to me. Now that I think about it you never said if you wanted anything for it,
if u intended to try it on the grow, i was ready to box it up. n/c;). (i have more than 1)
But, thanks for the honest self-reality check. Let me know if u change your mind.;)
btw- wagner makes some 'decent' sprayers for the D-I-Y'ers, but sometimes they are finiky. If I were closer, i'd come over and help ya knock out those cabinets in a hot minute.:thumbsup: truth be told, i have a backround with this type of equipment. I am intimately familiar with it and using it on cabinets.;)
now on to the Liquid Light.
1- with all due respect to your hydro-guy, i disagree, with backing.
According to the Dutchmaster site and the extensive info on this product, you can use from the first week of veg thru to the 4th week of flwr. It is not recomended for use after the 4th week, for the reasons you mentioned. I will take the word of the manufacturer.;) and Galina is in week 4.
2- yes, I am using the Penetrator and agree with your assessment of its effect on absorption rate in the leaves. I personally turn off the HPS and use CFL's til dry(10-15 mins), just because i am paranoid. Then I fire up the HPS.
3- one thing u didnt mention is the 15 inch minimum for your lights to be away from the plant when using LL as per DM.
This rule does not apply to CFL's, which are what I'm using for veg and they are 3-6 inches away, with zero ill effects.
4- Brown spots. according to the DM site, this is actually caused by a reaction between some product ingredients and airborne bacteria that exists everywhere on earth, except a class 100 cleanroom(more personal knowledge). They go on further to state that it doesnt happen all the time, just on occassion and don't panic.
5- the physical reaction u mentioned. I went into complete panic mode yesterday because after i gave LL I also lowered the HPS. (It was considerably high up and I was considering lowering for a couple weeks, but procrastinated.) Within 4 hrs of applying the LL, the leaves around the larger,taller flowers did what I call a 'funnel' effect. almost straight up!:wtf: SEE THIS POST, CLICK HERE This freaked me out and i thought maybe i was frying them with the light lowering, so i raised the HPS again. Today, I checked and confirmed I was less than 15 inches from the light when i got the funnel-effect". This is a NO-NO according to the DM site. I raised the HPS to 16 inches above the screen today and poked n hooked everything down and Galina recovered with no visible ill effects, so far.
I will find the pics I took and post here also, tomorow, after i take the 48 hr pix.mmmmmmkay?
It is also stated on the DM site, that you should see significant growth within 48 hrs, lets see.;)
6- dosage frequency and levels. Recommended to be twice per week, but DM does go further to say an "aggressive" grower could spray every 2 days, as u mentioned. I personally followed the directions to the "T" and gave a full dose and will reapply tomorow morning. If the leaves 'funnel' again, i will not panic and will wait.
Recommended dosage levels are 60ml/4 tbsp LL per 1 liter/qt of final spray solution. Spray til runoff. They also say you can store it mixed in solution for a week.
I simply used clean water as my spray solution.
BTW- Penetrator dosage level is the same. I make up 1 cup water/1 tbsp LL/1 tbsp Penetrator. This is enough for 2 application sessions to everybody in the room.:D
7- "Blazing Saddles" a true classic of American comedy. Mel Brooks was certainly an insane genius. It is a MUST for every DVD collection,,,,,unless you hate to laugh:wtf:
if you do not laugh while watching this movie, check your pulse, you may already be dead.:wtf:
8- WH- Yes, have Mr Hound pick it up. I am only aware of 1 size. 34oz. Mine was 50 bones, but they were advertising an introductory discount price at my place. supposed suggested retail price is 60. so, dont be surprised by that for the size. as Opie said, it's expensive, but may indeed turn out to be more of a "worthy investment" rather than an "expense".
9- Dutchmaster does recomend you do not use other additives while using LL, unless its their "Gold" product line.
Now, my sales and marketing brain tells me this is to ensure and build brand loyaty. The techie in me, wonders if they mean "no other foliar products"?
Personally, I will continue to use Fox Farms Big Bloom in my watering nutes for my soil use, unless I see a disaster begin to unfold.
as Opie said go to the dutchmaster site for more info, they have much posted, I was glued to my monitor thru 2 cups of coffee....big cups:wtf:
holy canoli, that was the longest post i have ever composed here.:wtf:
I think it took about an hour with all the doubling back to each post and post-editting (i know there are still some spelling errors, if you find them, good! at least u didnt waste all those years in school :wtf:) ok, that was extreem sarcasm, but, im overdue to smoke too,LOL ;)
I really hope someone finds all this babbling useful.
I must now blaze:smokin:
Rock.
Wow, thanks for all that info and for going into more detail.
I just put it out there for alls yous to look at. I assume people will use common sense, read directions, and start low and slow, that is the temp oh.
About number 9 above, I use LL with Fox Farm's 3 part bloom enhancers (Beastie Blooms, etc.). I also foliar feed with Spray N Grow. Two LL, one SnG, Two LL, one SnG, and so on, about every other day, except I've missed the last 3 days. I've noticed no problems yet, except a slight indication of nute burn, which I believe was caused by me raising my PPM from 1400 to 1550 (overshot a little), or a combination of that and a bunch of foliar feeding. No big, they look great except for the yellowing toward the bottoms which was going on before, a little chlorosis.. OK fine, they don't look great.
as promised.
Behold: Liquid Light.
these are the before pix.
1st one is Galina, early in week 4 flwr.
2nd pic is the veg cabinet. the 3 larger ones are early week 6 veg.
the sprouts in tthe cups are 1 week.
And holy cow. I looked at that picture, and your's sure stood up more than mine. I wonder why. Your fan leaves are bigger, could that have something to do with it? Probably not I guess.
I guess we're posting at the same time. I meant the first picture in that link you posted.
tapping my foot, waiting patiently...
these are the after shots,,,,,48 hrs later.
according to DM, we should see a difference within 48 hrs.
keep in mind: I have been poking the leaves and hookin branches on Galina's cage to keep her below the 15 inch light threshold recomended by DM
IMHO- the lil ones are showing a bit of a jump.
Galina has definately grown in the last 2 days, but i think the veg cab is where the party is.
one other thing, i did swap positions with the veggers, but i think you can see whats happening.
pic 1 and 2 are shots of Galina
pics 3,4,5 are the veggers, with closeups of the 2 biggest.
and, yes, i did remove the P-scrog from the vegger.
its overkill at this time, i finally realized.:wtf:
i will re-mount when the time is right.
ok, what do YOU all think?
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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts