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I agree that thats the correct way to roll a joint, however, even when its just embering, its still burning and releasing thc. Now it may not be a lot of THC, but compared to the waste from a bong i beleive it would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by LIP
This question has too many variables for us to answer it correctly/consistently. Quality & quantity of weed, tolerance of user, size of bongs/joints/etc., amount of time the hit is inhaled for....
Bong water may catch some of the THC, but if smoked properly, won't burn as it sits and lose smoke like a joint will. I tend to think these things just about cancel each other out, don't you think?
All I know is that the only time that I have ever been scared to drive while high was after I ripped a PHX for the first time. Whew! I remember *shaking* as I walked outside to my vehicle because I was so nervous to drive. I ended up driving just fine. I was just SO high I wasn't sure whether or not I could still do it, lmao.
I was out of town at a buddies, and we were set to head out to the beach after I got to his house. He asked if I wanted to rip his PHX before we left.... :stoned:
in my professional opinion, nothing gets you as high as the bong (as far as smoking, excluding edibles)
that shit probably made no sense but it doesnt matter because this is post 420 for me mothafuckas yay!
I always use my bong without water anyways...because its too loud with water...so it doesnt really matter to me.
Joints are definitely more wasteful than bongs...nothing wrong with them though, infact, ive been rolling way more than using my pieces lately.
I'm using my bong right now and I'm only my 7th rip with half a bowl to go
its a fairly large bowl, but definately not huge :rastasmoke:
bongs dont waste weed! people just think they do cuz the bowl burns a lot faster.
but think about it, you get HIGH off a bong. if you are worried about wasting weed than stay away from joints.
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You would have to put into effect, how much water was used in the bong, how accurately the joint was rolled, etc.
who cares?? i mean really who cares if you get high then who cares i use my bong most of the time and joints are pretty awesome too but i dont always have enough for a j so i mostly just smoke out of my bong i can get fucked up off of both a j and the bong
You have to account not necessarily for smoke or smoke content lost but THC destroyed by burning (which is what helps give vaporizers that boost in THC/tar ratio almost as much as the fact that less tar-able substance is burning). In a cigarette at least 90% of the nicotine is destroyed by burning, which is actually the reason that a few cigarettes in a row doesn't give you what would be, ingested, a dangerous and potentially fatal nicotine overdose. I don't have the exact percentage of THC destroyed by smoking, and I know it's not as close, but it's up there too. Most of the bad chemicals in smoke are the result of things burning... most of smoke, as a result, is composed just of chemicals that result from burning. A lot of the original stuff that can't burn well gets left as ash.
So now consider how much weed gets lit at all during a single hit from each device. Once the flame touches it, or worse just the heat, and even if it just browns it (heat but no burning), the THC heat damage has been done. All the THC that would have rode the smoke particles, assuming that little portion caught fire instead of just turning brown, is still there, ready to try again. Whether it'll survive the eventual lighting, when even more THC is destroyed, is an open question.
Pipes you relight, bongs you relight, and both can burn on their own for a variable period while not being hit from, during which time a large amount of the contents are exposed to close-by heat. In a joint only the end burns and the tubular structure keeps most of the heat going exclusively up and away from the remaining weed. Even though a joint is burning continuously, moreso than a bowl of any sort would, it gives off its heat the best. That whole metal bowl on your pipe gets up to 130F or higher at times and it just puts the THC that much closer to the temperature it has to hit to destabilize, at which it could break down. The joint remains tolerably cool enough to touch, even down to a small roach where the cherry is effectively millimeters from your hand. Think about it.
The remaining inefficiency that puts the bong below the pipe is in the THC lost to water. I can't see much being lost on the insides of the device because glass is, molecularly, smoother than the metal in a pipe. (A joint is the least smoothest but collected up resin is then smoked.) A glass pipe would narrowly outperform a metal pipe. But the bong does lose something in water, and probably also because its hard to inhale the whole hit and leave absolutely no smoke behind... also consider that the bigger the hit, the less of its total content gets deep into your lungs. If your hit ends because you've reached inhaling capacity, then necessarily the last of what you inhaled is still in your throat and not your lungs. This situation sometimes comes up in a bong hit, moreso than with, say, a pipe. Finally, measure and see that although the few big hits of a bong get you high, and possibly higher than you personally get with many small hits, they do in fact use more weed than conservatively-used pipes or thinly-rolled joints. Perhaps just as a whisky drunk is different than a beer drunk, the faster high of a bong from its large hits is a different type of high than the slower one, and more enjoyable to some people.
whatever the argument, i think it's safe to say that by using the same amount of weed for a joint, and the same amount for bong hits, the bong will rip you harder, if you know how to take a great haul.