Oakland Airport Outrage

i am liberal. it pisses me off all the bad press we get. not all liberals hate soldiers just the ones we consider wack jobs. when i say we i mean other liberals. for instance i dont believein some animal testing but i also dont want me or my daughter to become the guinea pig. just like i know you dont beleive in abortion but i dont think you are goin to go fire bomb a planned parent hood clinic. it may be the lesser of 2 eils to kill the abortion doctor but choosing the lesser of 2 evils is still choosing evil. i believe in racial profiling. it is a fact that the terrorist we have to worry about are mostly from the middle east so why not look at these guys a little closer than billy joe from kentucky. just keep in mind that most of what you see in the news represents the liberals that would put spikes in a tree to stop logging. most of us bleive in peaceful protest not violent action. im also not goin to try and turn people into liberals, its the conservatives that keep the far left in check

when i came home from iraq i was given a very warm welcome and i live in one of the most liberal vilages in the US. a place where protesters threw red paint on a building because they were goin to cut down a tree.

it also pisses me off hat some people will condem a soldier for trying to protect them. but it also pisses me off that our goverment will put these fine young men and women in harms way to promote an idea that not everyone in the world beleives in. i will take my anger out on the goverment not the soldier. every soldier sailer marine and airman is my bother in arms and it hurts when anyone of them is injured or killed. i pray every day for their safe and speedy return. but i also know that,contrary to what many liberals say, we can not just up and leave iraq. that could absolutly be the worst thing we could ever do or have done.

and thank you for your service

one more thing:
q:why do the navy guys keep reenlisting?
a: they dont want to leave their buddies behind.

that was a joe and i hope you can take it in the light hearted manner it was meant and not as a slur

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

MajesticWhelk, MUCH respect to your friend and his/her family! Fact is though, we all know that there is Al-Quada in Iraq and untill they are able to kick ass on their own we need to be there for the assist.

Have a good one!:s4:

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I understand that there is Al-Qaeda in Iraq. Al-Qaeda was not lashing out against Iraqi people until we got involved, so we actually made things worse for them.

Also, if you really want to think about it that way, there is Al-Qaeda in Britain, Spain, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Israel, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, South America, Central America, Asia, etc etc etc. We are not and should not be invading these countries just because they have members of these groups within their borders. There is actually a pretty good chance that members of Al-Qaeda are in the United States as we speak!

The thing about Al-Qaeda is that it is not an enemy that we can really fight with an army. They act, dress, and blend in perfectly with their surroundings, and until they explode and kill a crowd of innocent people, they look just like civilians! That is the reason that so many innocent Iraqi's are being slaughtered by trigger-happy Americans. It is not because we're evil and like killing people, it is because you can't tell one from the other, and it is almost pointless to try and sift them out. They do not wear uniforms and they do not have public meetings. We should be focusing on the head of the organization, not its tails. Going after individual Al-Qaeda operatives is like going after kids who shoot up their schools; you can't tell who they are until its too late. Honestly, the violence would be almost guaranteed to dissipate if an American presence was not in Iraq. And if you really want to analyze it, our being there can only end up in a loss for us. Their system of beliefs makes those who die fighting us "martyrs" and it is an HONOR for them to die for the cause. In our case, we mourn and feel sorrow for every one of our friends/family that we lose out there. They are not only getting the satisfaction of killing our men, but they get to see us suffering because of it, and their losses are not only intentional, but in their belief system inevitable. It is a win-win situation for them and us being there is only strengthening their resolve.

Oh, and I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but if you think back to 2003 when this war started, this war was neither about 9-11 or the presence of Al-Qaeda. This war was about weapons of mass destruction, of which there never was and still isn't any evidence of whatsoever. Once we got there it shifted to being about replacing this terrible dictator's evil regime. Then, it turned into us fighting Al-Qaeda. Who knows what they'll think of next.

This war has a faulty foundation and we're running out of excuses. And as an additional note (this isn't directed towards you, Psycho), for all of you out there who are so quick to label those who value peace as "hippie liberal pussies," I could just as easily label you as "Bible-Hugging inbreeding hicks." So stop name calling and be more articulate in your description of those who have a different opinion than your own.

Thanks for hearing me out guys.

MW

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Originally Posted by MajesticWhelk

I understand that there is Al-Qaeda in Iraq. Al-Qaeda was not lashing out against Iraqi people until we got involved, so we actually made things worse for them.

Also, if you really want to think about it that way, there is Al-Qaeda in Britain, Spain, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Israel, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, South America, Central America, Asia, etc etc etc. We are not and should not be invading these countries just because they have members of these groups within their borders. There is actually a pretty good chance that members of Al-Qaeda are in the United States as we speak!

The thing about Al-Qaeda is that it is not an enemy that we can really fight with an army. They act, dress, and blend in perfectly with their surroundings, and until they explode and kill a crowd of innocent people, they look just like civilians! That is the reason that so many innocent Iraqi's are being slaughtered by trigger-happy Americans. It is not because we're evil and like killing people, it is because you can't tell one from the other, and it is almost pointless to try and sift them out. They do not wear uniforms and they do not have public meetings. We should be focusing on the head of the organization, not its tails. Going after individual Al-Qaeda operatives is like going after kids who shoot up their schools; you can't tell who they are until its too late. Honestly, the violence would be almost guaranteed to dissipate if an American presence was not in Iraq. And if you really want to analyze it, our being there can only end up in a loss for us. Their system of beliefs makes those who die fighting us "martyrs" and it is an HONOR for them to die for the cause. In our case, we mourn and feel sorrow for every one of our friends/family that we lose out there. They are not only getting the satisfaction of killing our men, but they get to see us suffering because of it, and their losses are not only intentional, but in their belief system inevitable. It is a win-win situation for them and us being there is only strengthening their resolve.

Oh, and I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but if you think back to 2003 when this war started, this war was neither about 9-11 or the presence of Al-Qaeda. This war was about weapons of mass destruction, of which there never was and still isn't any evidence of whatsoever. Once we got there it shifted to being about replacing this terrible dictator's evil regime. Then, it turned into us fighting Al-Qaeda. Who knows what they'll think of next.

This war has a faulty foundation and we're running out of excuses. And as an additional note (this isn't directed towards you, Psycho), for all of you out there who are so quick to label those who value peace as "hippie liberal pussies," I could just as easily label you as "Bible-Hugging inbreeding hicks." So stop name calling and be more articulate in your description of those who have a different opinion than your own.

Thanks for hearing me out guys.

MW

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Rational arguements are wasted on bible-hugging inbreeding hicks.;)

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy Gandalf,

Well I suppose that ya could be right as far as support for the troops goes,but clearly-not the mission.

As you know,I fully support the mission,not just the troops.

This whole mess has been brewing since the '79 hostage crisis in Iran,if not since the inception of Islam.

Those who don't support the mission,are willfully turning a blind eye to the fact that muslim-jihadists are committing some of the most horrific acts of brutality ever witnessed in modern history..because the koran orders all muslims to aid in the dissolving of all non-muslim goverments and the death and subjugation of all non-muslims.

Have a good one ...

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War is tragic for both sides man. There really are no winners or losers in the long run.

This did not just start with the Iranian Revolution in 79'. This goes back really with the Crusades, and these young people in the Muslim world I think are believing that this is a repeat of that time period. They see the US as an imperial power. It is if America is the British Empire. The British had ships, but we have mastery of the skies now with our advanced jets.

Did you know that Iraq was one of the most developed societies in science and art in the world during the Middle Ages? Most Americans only think of Europe having been able to dominate and wield power. They are not the killers we now imagine them to be.
That is mainly based on propaganda from more conservative leaning newspapers and FOX.

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Originally Posted by Forwhat420

Soldiers carry weapons back on the plane because this is who the weapon is issued to. Therefore no one is responsible for there weapon but that individual soldier. So until that weapon is turned back in, it goes anywhere that soldier goes. How do I know? Because i carried mine back in 2003!!!! Somebody asked this i dont remeber who.

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I second that: your weapon is issued at your home base and that weapon is yours unless you are assigned to another unit at which time you turn in your weapon and recieve another one at your new site. Even clerks are assigned a weapon because you are a fighting man first and an assigned worker second. Loss of a weapon usually means a courts martial. That weapon goes with you wherever you go untill you can safely store it in the armory at your home base. Even then, you usually have to clean it at least once a month.

Howdy yokinazu,

Lmao..that was a pretty funny joke ! :D

Well daggum,not only did ya have the spine to enlist,but ya have the guts to call yerself a liberal..I got even more respect for ya ! :thumbsup:

Those who want us to drop Iraq like a hot potato,don't have the common sense to realize that the front-lines will shift from Iraq,to here..and that several arab countrie actually oppose Iranian control of Iraq and the region and they are willing to go to war against Iran too..that would make things even worse than they are now.

I hope that ya realize,that when I castigate liberals,it ain't the ones like you,who answered the call of duty and served,it's the whack jobs that ya mentioned,who're the problem..and yer right that most Christians would never bomb a clinic or murder the abortionist..there are some whacky ones that would though,but they are the minority.

Thanx for yer kind words :)

Have a good one ! :jointsmile:

hiya trog
i also used to support the aclu but they really been pissin me off latly especially with the whole immagration issue, im also not a christian but i think its wrong to take the ten commandments down. always seemed some pretty wise words to me. dont get me wrong i do beleive in god i just dont beleive in the church.

a little snippet for you, almost 50% of school age children think we fought ww2 against russia and we were allied with germany.

im not a racist but when my daughter wasin the third grade i pointed at a picture of george washington and asked who he was, her response was thats the guy on the 1 dollar bill. when i did the same with abe lincoln same response. but when i showed her a pic of martin luther king jr. she knew exactly who he was. we realy need to get back to basics. i have nothing but respect for mlk jr he was a man who had the guts to stand up for his and his peoples rights and we could benifit with more folks like him. but theres somthin wrong in our system when a school cant even hang pics of the founding fathers or say the pledge of allegiance. our children are learnig in a politicaly correct school system.

any way this is all for a different thread and completly off the issue here so ill quit rantin