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Ahhhhhh just having some fun with a joke. Trying to ease the tention baby. No need for anyone to get all sensitive I meant no harm ;)
Just seemed like every helpful response was greated with attitude so I thought I'd have some fun with him. It's cool we're all working toward the same goal here.
Here you go....hbbusa28 passes a smoke to anyone that was offended, hurt, bothered. :bigsmoke:
So, Dejayou, what happened with the water overnight?
PC :smokin:
My sister was supposed to pick me up some last night on her way home from work while I was at the Lukemia/Lymphoma Walkathon thing, but she forgot. But she just left and is going to pick it up while she is out, so I am currently waiting for her return.
well being dejayou30 keeps picking option d maybe thats the best answer lol even though everybody keeps telling him about option a,b and c he seems to keep harping on d lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by hbbusa28
it's not that w,h go look at his other threads, he does the same thing in those too. and then after 20 people tell him the same thing he goes on to say he's read everything and not to mistake him for someone that don't know anything. and then asks the same damn thing yet again, i went into full detail in his other thread along with others and he still asked the ? again so if someone does'nt get it then they don't get it. and i was'nt being mean infact i was trying to defend him in his other thread, where he kept asking over and over how to sprout and put in hydroton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
so for some reason i always end up being a dick, cause i get tired of dancing around sumthing, then they mistake blountness for being rude and an asshole, so wtf is right, as u said.
Palerider its in knowing when to let things go.....:beatdeadhorse:
Agreed we should let it go, but I'm right there with ya Pale
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Originally Posted by PharmaCan
LOL..........By the way, happy growing:smokin:
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Disclaimer: IF THIS REPLY SEEMS CONDESCENDING OR IN ANY WAY OFFENSIVE, THEN JUST SUCK IT UP AND BE A MAN. WHO KNOWS, I MAY EVEN SAY THE ??F? WORD A COUPLE TIMES. I??M TELLING YOU I??M A BAD, WILD MAN, AND WHEN YOU??RE WITH ME ALL HELL COULD BREAK LOOSE AT ANY SECOND. FURTHERMORE, AS APPALLING AS I AM I DON??T WANT TO HURT ANYONE??S FEELINGS, I ONLY WANT TO HELP. IT??S JUST MY OPINION AND MY POSITION, BASED ON YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. I VOW TO NOT DISPENSE ADVICE ON ANY SUBJECT I KNOW LITTLE ABOUT. MY METHODS ARE TRIED AND TRUE FOR MY SET UP ALONE. USE YOUR BEST JUDGMENT. I TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ADVICE FUCKING UP YOUR SHIT.
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Originally Posted by dejayou30
Slow down, relax, and take a deep breath. It doesn't have to be this complicated or anywhere near this confusing. This whole deal is supposed to be fun. Keep in mind that every setup is different. You might ask 50 people a question about growing and you could get 50 different answers. People can flap their jaws till the cows come home, but in the long run you have to decide what is best for you and your situation, regardless of what anybody else says.
To make matters worse, there are going to be many people in this forum who just flat-out give bad advice, or completely wrong advice. In my opinion it it??s a very bad idea to just pick an option and go with it, to use your words. Of all the things I hope you learn from this thread is to try and avoid that mentality. Believe it or not, it is not beyond the capability of some people in this forum to? shall we say, exaggerate about the quantity and quality of their experience. I think it??s just human nature to embellish in an attempt to get people to look up to you, or like you more. I have noticed that it is common for people to lay down the supposed facts in a slick and believable manner, while actually knowing very little about some of the things they??re talking about. One of the things I love about this forum is the huge exchange of opinions and ideas. And since there is such diversity in the experiences and opinions, let alone the human nature of people, I know that I must weigh the information presented to me very carefully and try to determine which is best for me and my situation.
Now to heap shit on the shingle, there??s your apparent poor attitude. I really want to answer your questions to the best of my ability, but you don??t make it easy. The more I read, the more I get an image of an arrogant, condescending noob. If you really want people to help you, it??s probably not the best approach to act unrelentingly like you know more than they do. It??s hard for me to want to be nice to you when you say things like:
Didn't you guys know that this age of the internet where information is free from people like you!?
Sorry man, it??s in no way free. For one thing the people trying to help you are spending something more valuable than money? that??s time. The things you say make it sound like we are required to help you and you don??t have to do any work on your own. Although you did say thank you, it seems we??re supposed to drop whatever we??re doing and clarifying the same elementary concepts over and over, especially the most basic ones that mysteriously got left out of all the ??many, many grow guides and many, many videos,? that such a learned scholar such as yourself has read.
Poor grammar, spelling, and punctuation aside
All he did was go out of his way to try to help you and you trash the dude. Welcome to the internet, where people sometimes write as they talk, and abbreviate things like ??you are? to UR.
I wish people would stop assuming I don't know anything? then in the very next sentence say something as brilliant as Ph isn't really something that is common knowledge. And again, how many successful harvests did you say you??ve had, and what was your yield? If PH is not a common thing to you than neither is weed farming. If weed farming is not a common thing to you, than sorry pal, you really don??t know anything, about weed farming that is. Come on professor; join us in the real world.
I pretty much get the feeling you??ve chosen one person to be your mentor, and everyone else is wasting their time trying to help. That??s unfortunate for you since it??s hardly taking advantage of the wide range of answers available here, and for the people who are trying to help, because they are wasting their time on someone who already knows it all. I see much valuable advice here, and it??s not all from your mentor.
I was going to list all the stuff you had read and watched, then compared it to the list of all the times you said stuff like, I paid close attention to everything I read and watched. But it??s just getting too darn late for that, and it wouldn??t do any good anyway. I gotta throw in my favorite, which is: UGHHHHHH I HAVE READ MANY, MANY GROW GUIDES AND WATCHED MANY, MANY GROW VIDEOS! FYI when you type in all caps on the internet it means you are either abbreviating or yelling. Oh well, perhaps you were doing both.
Now that I??ve got that off my chest I will try my best to answer your questions.
Water that comes out of the tap is usually higher in PH than desired for hydroponic gardening. All nutrient solutions must be tested for PH before use. Tap water PH over 8 is not uncommon, and that??s completely unacceptable. You must have some way of bringing it down to roughly 5.5. You can do this with common household items, or PH down available in hydro and pet stores. You must have some way of testing the PH as well. Remember PH usually rises through time, so test it occasionally during the grow. The liquid and strips are probably fine for most hydro ventures, but for ease and accuracy most people buy a PH meter. If you use tap water from a city be sure to check for chlorine with a test kit. Chlorine can be neutralized with drops or by letting it evaporate. Both work, but for a few cents most people prefer the convenience of the drops.
Until you have at least grown a plant using your PH adjusted tap water, I don??t understand why you are going to so much trouble. It could be reeeeaaaal easy, like I mentioned before. I have about PH 8 tap water, and just add about 1/2 teaspoon per gallon of PH down. I wouldn??t exactly say that??s loading the fuck out of it. (FYI there is many strengths of PH down so read percentages while comparing.) I personally like to do things the quickest way possible and get on with it. If I don??t have to haul water, or reverse osmosis water, or whatever, I certainly don??t. I??ve got other things to do too. I could be wrong here, but it??s been my experience that most people are able to use their tap water. There are many more important things to worry about other than if there is the exact correct amount of copper in your nutrients. Just my opinion but remember ??easy does it? and KISS. I don??t think you are beyond hope. Who knows, maybe even someday you??ll try your tap water after one too many times of picking up 15 gallons of distilled water.
The paper towel method does work pretty well, and maybe you should stick with what you are familiar with if you are short on seeds. Otherwise, you could at least try something different. You never know, you might end up liking the new thing better. I really, really don??t like rockwool because it holds way too much moisture, inviting all kinds of problems you don??t need, and for other reasons as well. However rockwool is pretty good for sprouting seeds, just make sure you don??t keep them too wet. Just as if planted in dirt, keep them warm and moist, not wet.
Whether you use rockwool or hydroton you will need to condition either medium first. Rockwool PH needs to be adjusted. It should be rinsed several times first off, to get the chunks of glass and volcanic rock out, and then soaked over night in PH adjusted water. I think hydroton is much easier because you can just cut a hole in the bottom of the bag and run water from a hose through the bag until all the red stops coming out. Let dry, then it??s ready to use. If you rinsed it thoroughly there is no need to worry about your medium??s PH. Plus hydroton is completely and easily reusable, and therefore basically free.
Yes, you should always run your system for awhile when putting in a new batch. How long is up to your best judgment, depending on if you are reusing your medium and things like that. I usually do 15 minutes or so, and then check everything.
Hope that helps a little, but seriously, if you don??t want to piss people off be sure to search and read as much as you can before asking questions. Especially on basic stuff. Every question you can think of (within reason) has probably already been answered in this forum somewhere.
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And really, the most important thing is for you to enjoy yourself, and perhaps share those joyful experiences with others. If this whole thing starts getting you too stressed, just drink a beer, smoke a bowl, put on some older Talking Heads, smoke a bowl, sit down with paper and pencil and smoke a bowl while you jot down reasons to be thankful and happy, as well as, in random order, basic ideas to elaborate on when you are more sober. Could be ideas on your grow room or ideas on the universe.
:stoned:Anyway, helps me sometimes.
Good luck, and keep us posted.
If you need a cheaper alternative to phdown. there is always sulfuric acid from say an autozone. $4 bucks for a container and buy a eyedropper. Yes it adds sulfur but things could be worse.