Originally Posted by natureisawesome
Junkyard said:
No. that's just ludicrous. You're reading things into the interpretation. Do you really think God would let a mere man be called "the savior of the world" and "my LORD and my GOD" or how about "prince of peace" "mighty God" "wonderful councelour" "HOLY ONE" etc. No.
Jesus was not a mere man, and I have attempted to make that clear. He possessed both the fullness of God [within Him bodily], and the fullness of our own nature, knowing the human struggle just as we know it. Jeses the "anointed one" was Holy, a wonderful councelour, the prince of peace and mighty God as it is written in context. The term for God here is 'el pronounced (ale) which means: strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity)
Christ was deity "lower case", meaning: (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong.
Isiah also states that he was the "everlasting father". The term here is 'agan pronounced aw-gan, which is in context a primitive root; to debar, i.e. from marriage
Men bowed down and worshipped Jesus. They didn't worship God merely in Jesus.
They bowed down to their Lord (master) and through Him worshiped the Father.
No, it's not curious at all. When God created the heavens and the earth, he spoke them into existence, through the word. This is Jesus Christ. The word is God. God is eternal. He says he changes not " The same yesterday, and today, and forever".
The word is the Spirit of God, nia not Jesus the son of man. Jesus , the son of man died, was also transfigured, but the Spirit that dwelt within Him bodily never changes.
No, It can mean an age or perpetuity also, but that dosen't maek sense and doesn't fit the context.
Look it up, nia the messianic period was the age spoke of in this passage, not nescessarily the creation of the world. Although, the Word as Spirit was in the beginning, established before the beginning of creation. (Proverbs 8:23) The connection is there.
How can God be in heaven and his spirit in us on earth at the same time? The answer, all things are possible for God.
Because His Spirit is essence, and is omnipresent.
Yes that's true, which is why what you're saying is totally outrageous and blasphemous.
Only blasphemous because 'you' view Him as God.
Where does it ever talk in the bible about Jesus having God's "essence". This is an idea you made up. It's not from scripture.
es·sence [éss'nss]
(plural es·sences)
n
1. identifying nature: the quality or nature of something that identifies it or makes it what it is
2. most important feature: the most important element or feature of something
3. perfect form: the perfect or idealized form of something, especially when embodied in a person
All things have an "essence"
It says Jesus is equal with God. Noone is equal with God but God. He will not givehis glory to another, as my previous quotations pointed out.
The term here for "equal" is isos pronounced ee'-sos which simply means (through the idea of seeming); similar (in amount and kind
He's directly calling the son, clear and plain - GOD. It doesn't say God in the son.
I've already explained the terminology and meaning previously in this post.
Here Jesus Christ says that in the spirit he will come to comfort his disciples (that is, he is one with God, meaning he is God .)
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Indeed, He does come, the Spirit, the comforter, the very essence of Christ. HE comes to abide in us forever. The Word, which is God's spirit and essence.
I don't want to argue about this anymore. If the Father clearly calling his son GOD doesn't convince you then there's not much more I can do.
Again, take in context and the conclusion doesn't lean towards your view. Christ possessed the fullness of God bodily, but this does not suggest that he was God himself.
As for arguing, I see no argument, only a disagreement of terms, bro. Beleive what you will, but Christ was not God; He was God's only 'begotten' son. Just like the bible states
