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well, it is pretty obvious that alot of the bible was streamlined to be more acceptable to the pagans (astrology reference) such as the changing of Christmas to the Pagan holiday date, and while not only obvious, it is documented as well. Hell, Voodoo is a combination of african religions and Christianity, in order to at least partially convert the "heathens".
Christianity has even gone as far as taking polytheistic religions and comparing the saints to the lesser Gods in order to make the religion more accessible and easier to assimilate into.
I don't blame the religion though, I blame the insane people that were so desperate to convert the unbelievers that they would go as far as to "adapt" their religion and make it more appealing. This is why Christians ain't usually taken seriously when they talk about the bible being 100% true.
I have done a lot of research on what you're talking about and I won't try to explain it all here. But basically here's how it goes. I'll probably have to repeat this numerous times in this forum but here goes.
What you're talking about were things all performed by the roman catholic church. The Roman catholic church is not a Christian church. Shortly after the flood The sons of Noah ( Shem ham and jape th) had descendent's and began to repopulate the earth. The first began in the area of the bible lands in the land of ancient Babylon. One of the descendent's was a man named nimrod whose name meant mighty hunter before the Lord. From what we know about Nimrod, he was a very evil man. He is responsible for building the original Babylon and he was a vicious king and conquerer who deified himself and made himself a God. But that's not all. There is confusion just like there are in all mystery cults but basically what happened was he had this wife named Semiramis also called Ishtar or Astarte etc. Basically through a series of events which would take a time to explain Nimrod and Semiramis deified themselves and called themselves Gods and took advantage of the prophecy that had been given of the messiah to the sons of Adam and eve and deceived people and tried to say that he was the "one" . and when Nimrod died she took advantage of this and established her self among the heathen as the "mother of the Gods" . Her alleged son also became deified but her status remained above both of them. This mystery cult outlived far longer than Babylon ever did (in fact it still lives on today). In fact through various hidden methods such as symbolic representations and morphing of names and such this mystery religion spread throughout the whole earth. All of the ancient Gods names you may be familiar with from Greece, rome, egypt, India, Iceland, Eourope, Africa, even as far as places like south america and and china and native American cultures it can be traced to and are rooted in the same Babylonian mystery religion. Also the idol God baal that caused Israel to stumble is none other than nimrod, and can be traced back to the Babylonian mystery religion also.
Now when Christianity came along, there was a great falling away shortly after the apostles died and in fact was started to grow long before that. Soon the church was full of apostasy and had been infiltrated by such as the false Egyptian church, itself traced back to babylon, hid behind a false veil of Christianity.
When the Christianity reached Rome, basically what happened was the church leaders who were far compromised already, spread a door wide open for paganism. On the surface, it looked like the church had grown in popularity overnight, but in reality the old temples had been merely refurnished to give the allusion of a Christian theme. A temple which used to be to dionysus would read something like " cathedral of st. dionysus" and such like. In reality paganism had never been abolished but only absorbed into the church. As time when on the
mystery religion working in secret would do everything it could to change the doctrine and rituals and symbolism and everything in the church to be in fact one and the same of the babylonian religion, with the false appearance of Christianity. The same is true to this day. The mystery of iniquity working through the false church pretty much rules the world, and not only established the American government, but continues to rule America and deceive you all and the whole world to this day. And the truth is, there are probably only a handful of Christians on the earth right now.
And all of this is why in the book of revelation it says :
8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
24And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
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^^ He doesn't mean that - he means the story of Jesus was just copied from the Story of Horus - and I think he's right.
There it took 30 seconds
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And guess where the story of horus originated from.
Babylon. I know what I'm talking about.
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I read two pages of that this morning NatureIsAwesome, I think your account of entropy and how it relates to/does not entirely explain life is inconsistent and well basically completely wrong, sorry. Entropy is a measure of the flow of a system from disorder to order, not the other way around, you contradicted yourself. If you wish to understand how life forms out of a universe which scientists used to think was governed by the laws of thermodynamics and physics alone then I suggest reading The Web of Life by Fritjof Capra which gives one of the best accounts of the work of Ilya Prigogine on dissipative structures and how this phenomenon provides a model for how organisms formed into the complex and counter entropic patterns we see today. You suggested that in order to counter the effects of entropic flow lifeforms eat enough food to sustain an adequate degree of complexity, and you also employ mechanical rhetoric. In fact, the food we eat becomes part of our structure which is in a state of quasi-equilibrium, a closed structure but open to a flow of energy which it harnesses also from food and the universal life energy.
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The bible lies, or at teh very least has been selectivly edited.
Even people who believe what it teaches should appreciate that, and stop using it as evidence.
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Entropy is a measure of the flow of a system from disorder to order, not the other way around, you contradicted yourself.
That's..I can't believe you are saying that.
Entropy is a measure of a a sytems unavailability to do work. The energy available in our universe to do work is being lost...I just don't understand how you can say that. That's totally wrong. I'm seriously baffled, like ..
Things don't naturally become more complex by the 2nd law. They become less complex. Period.
" The entropy of an isolated system not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium. "
I'm tired of arguing about whether things are closed or not closed. It's irrelevent. There are not exceptions to the second law.
Yes our bodies do harness energy from food, and complex machinery is required to do this.
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The bible lies, or at teh very least has been selectivly edited.
Even people who believe what it teaches should appreciate that, and stop using it as evidence.
There is nothing in the bible that has ever been proven false. According to the same process that historians apply to verify the authenticity of other manuscripts and historical artifacts, it is history by all counts. You are the one who should be recognising the bible as a history book.
There is nothing in the bible that has ever been proven wrong, and you have no basis for concluding that anyone has ever edited it. It's only your own presuppositions. It has no logical basis.
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Originally Posted by natureisawesome
There is nothing in the bible that has ever been proven false. According to the same process that historians apply to verify the authenticity of other manuscripts and historical artifacts, it is history by all counts. You are the one who should be recognising the bible as a history book.
There is nothing in the bible that has ever been proven wrong, and you have no basis for concluding that anyone has ever edited it. It's only your own presuppositions. It has no logical basis.
Because you can't prove them false, remember? We can't prove that a donkey didn't talk some thousands of years ago. All we can do it say "Are there any talking donkeys today? Nope" So why would there be talking donkeys in the past?
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Originally Posted by natureisawesome
That's..I can't believe you are saying that.
Entropy is a measure of a a sytems unavailability to do work. The energy available in our universe to do work is being lost...I just don't understand how you can say that. That's totally wrong. I'm seriously baffled, like ..
Things don't naturally become more complex by the 2nd law. They become less complex. Period.
" The entropy of an isolated system not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium. "
I'm tired of arguing about whether things are closed or not closed. It's irrelevent. There are not exceptions to the second law.
Yes our bodies do harness energy from food, and complex machinery is required to do this.
Again you choose to employ mechanistic terminology.
I'm not saying it is the second law which causes things to become more complex, its quasi-equilibrium, as I have already indicated. Dissipative structures defy the 2nd law by forming into structures which harness the flow of enery through them, in the same way an organism does, or a planetary biosphere such as the earth. This requires the harnessing structure to be closed, but at the same time open to a flow of energy through it.
It was you who said the second law causes things to become more complex, you are confusing order with disorder, perhaps unintentionally. Either way what you said about entropy and life was fundamentally incorrect.
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Originally Posted by natureisawesome
There is nothing in the bible that has ever been proven false. According to the same process that historians apply to verify the authenticity of other manuscripts and historical artifacts, it is history by all counts. You are the one who should be recognising the bible as a history book.
There is nothing in the bible that has ever been proven wrong, and you have no basis for concluding that anyone has ever edited it. It's only your own presuppositions. It has no logical basis.
And sir, you cant prove, through any means, that Buddhism isnt a real religion, and that previous Buddha's have not existed.
Dont tread the path of "you cant disprove it, so it must be true", you wont like the walk, trust me.
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"You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it's going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt." - Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
Some words to think about...
