why would religous ppl not believe in Evolution

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Originally Posted by king of the world

i'd like to share a quote with ya'll

"never argue with fools because people watching from a distance can't tell who's who"

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lmao...

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Originally Posted by DarkHairedSativa

I'll find out the name of the author as I can't remember it off the top of my head....but the name of the book is called Starlight and Time....you can google it.It was written by a physicist, not a religious man. I believe that the Bible was written by man under the influence of the Holy Spirit...God is not a liar and he promised to keep his words true for all ages.Sorry, not a protestant...;) I grew up with barely any religion...just a little here and there from neighbors and extended family members here and there,until my Mom married a Catholic man and decided she was Catholic again.(how she was raised)I then got thrown into a Catholic school which I did not want to be in and when I left home at 15,I made a decision to find what I believe.I don't agree with most of the churches these days they are too full of legalities and judgments.Which is NOT what Christianity is all about.I believe the Bible and believe that every person has a choice to make for themselves.I believe Jesus is the son of God and the third part of God.The Trinity being God the Father,God the Son and God the Holyspirit.Three parts making a whole...kinda like and egg:shell white and yolk or water liquid,ice and steam....The Lord says come as you are not come with lots of money a mercedes and a 500,000 dollar house in a 3 piece suit.Alot of people are thrown totally away from religion aka Christianity (I do not call myself "religious" I am a "Christian") because alot of the religious people who claim to be Christian are not really.They are putting on a show and just being religious.Christianity is a way of heart not just a way of outward appearance.Unfortunately,most churches not ALL,have come down to appearances and lost the heart.The belief system that matches mine as closely as possible is Independant Fundamental Baptist.I believe the way to heaven is through accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior and asking forgiveness of your sins.Acknowleding Him through prayer.I don't think you need to be in church to do this.I don't believe you ever need to go to church to do this.It's a personal relationship between you and God alone.


Anyhow,So sorry I got off on a tangent....eek! Didn't mean too:o

But look up that book it is really cool!! :jointsmile:

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Interesting, I shall have to check that book out. I feel it necissary to add that Baptist denominations fall under the "Protestant" sub-faction of Christianity. But only because Im the kind of ass that notices and points those things out :p Yeah I was born and raised Catholic so I am pretty well versed in their beliefs, as well as the differences between all Christian religions.

I guess the biggest difference between my beliefs and Christian ideals would be my view on what "GOD" actually is. But its kind of lengthy and I dont have the time to go into that now. I actually made a topic about it.. I think its called "What is your version of the TRUTH" Many people decided to argue on what truth is, but I just wanted peoples opinions and views on how they think the universe works, its history, and what its comprised of. And, if applicable, their version of a higher power.

I just wanted to add, DarkHairedSativa, I see what you meant about insults. But that wasnt an insult, simply a fact that he himself admitted to me openly on another thread.

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Originally Posted by GraziLovesMary

I just want to say that I would LOVE to see a planet that is a million times larger than the Sun.

A simply lesson in physics: The only reason that cellestial bodies with the huge mass that stars possess are able to keep from collapsing under their own gravity is the nuclear reaction at their core. Once they reach a certain critical amount of fuel where they are not producing enough energy to offset gravity, depending on their size they either shrink to a white dwarf, a neutron star, sometimes they supernova, and other times the gravity takes the mass and collapses it all together to form a singularity, or Black Hole.

Not trying to be rude though, I just kinda chuckled a little.

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LoL:thumbsup:

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you've given us a fine batch of stars that are many times larger than sol, but i believe we were waiting for a planet that was a million times larger. i too would love to see it.:rolleyes:

I believe Earth is the the only planet to carry Humans....and thats MHO

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Originally Posted by DarkHairedSativa

Please quote the contradictions to me....The water came from the sky and under the Earth...."the waters broke forth" Scientists studying the bottom of the ocean floors have proven the caverns are collapsed as if all the water came out and stood still then the pressure caused them to cave in.... which would then allow the water to recede from off the land into what we know today as "oceans"....and again Adam did NOT come from a rib......:hippy:

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OK,but their are many so let me know if you want me to continue.

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
(please say that he changed,please use that as an argument.)

Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies
Day 6: Humans
Day 7: Nothing
(their was a morning night and evening before he created the sun,um explain?)

Ps.92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."
Isa.57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."
(is it good or bad to be righteous?)

Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
(he had many last words)

if you want more just say so.:rastasmoke:

well, given the fact that Jesus was an actual person, it isnt surprising that he has been quoted as saying several things, I'm sure that the many translations switched the words up pretty good. I think most christians will agree though that jesus first said the Eli lama stuff, then commended his spirit to god, then died. Also, the vinegar the last one is refering to was (I believe) the roman guards mocking him and refusing to give him water, just vinegar.

I think that all of the jesus quotes are in fact true; he got pissed at god, asked god to take care of his spirit (was given vinegar at some point, it is hard to be sure when) then said "it is done" and died. I believe all of the above happened, and I am pretty sure that most christians accept all of the above as well (it isnt really a stretch, i mean if you wanna split hairs do it with somthing more "magical" then Jesus's last words). If you wish to debate jesus's divinity, go ahead, but it is an actual historical fact that a man named Jesus was crucified by the romans.

as for many of the contradictions, it seems God did a 180 when Jesus showed up, and christians (the real ones) generally believe the new testament version of god's will. After all, the old testament is the jewish book, christians should stick to their book and not dip into other faiths.

Now as for the whole "god made the world for us" idea, I have a slight problem with that seeing as how "Our World" is covered with 2/3 oceans, and god didnt give us gills. I think that perhaps we get a little high and mighty when it comes to us thinking we are special, and perhaps the answer is a little humility. If god only cared about us, he wouldnt have made all the other animals, so we arn't all that special.

Is it really that hard to take a moderate view of things? It seems people are all or none when it comes to religion, when perhaps the answer is a blending of faith and rationality?

sorry for the longish post, its late and I've had a bit to drink :)

spirituality forum should have 'Enter at own risk' sign....the post grimlins came last nite, i see....

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Originally Posted by DarkHairedSativa

Sorry,don't see how it couldn't have been a midget/dwarf or a deformed person or ape.....

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HAHA well ya got me. I guess I'm gonna have to become a Creationist now... :wtf:

Statistically speaking, if you find a SINGLE example of a species, the chance that it would be a deformed example is almost infinitely improbable- even MORE, considering that in the wild (whcih also relates to primitive hominids), deformed individuals rarely, if ever, survive to adulthood. And there is no way that was a neonates' skull- it's too large, in a fossil record where there is no evidence of adults of ANY of the hominids being larger than H. erectus, until modern times- your logic is TERRIBLE here.

And I'm not even going to get into the origin of water on Earth... You should revisit some basic texts on geology, climate, and plate tectonics while you're at it.