evolution or creationism?

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make the effort GHoST, it's an even better read when you're stoned! Seriously, you can make the connections so much more easily....

I've been reading Jack Herer's book (here's a link) and I've come to a big, all-encompassing conclusion, relevant in almost any debate:

Knowledge is power. Those who already have power have ceaselessly tried, for thousands of years, to keep Knowledge away from the population. What is Knowledge? It can be anything: evolution, economics (where do our taxes go?), MARIJUANA, the difference between myth and history.
To Know is to have the power to destroy ignorance and stupidity, but the powers that be want us to be stupid and docile so that things will never change. Take charge, and gain Knowledge.

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

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make the effort GHoST, it's an even better read when you're stoned! Seriously, you can make the connections so much more easily....

I've been reading Jack Herer's book (here's a link) and I've come to a big, all-encompassing conclusion, relevant in almost any debate:

Knowledge is power. Those who already have power have ceaselessly tried, for thousands of years, to keep Knowledge away from the population. What is Knowledge? It can be anything: evolution, economics (where do our taxes go?), MARIJUANA, the difference between myth and history.
To Know is to have the power to destroy ignorance and stupidity, but the powers that be want us to be stupid and docile so that things will never change. Take charge, and gain Knowledge.

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I couldn't agree more... thats one of my motto's knowledge is power... plus its fun to agrue with people and make them look like idiots...

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Originally Posted by meek mike

Darwin said it so you all believe it. Just as the Bible says it so alot of us believe it. Two sides two different views. What does it matter what we all believe as long as we all believe in our opinion. Who are we all trying to convince. You folks don't believe as I do and I don't believe as you do. Lets move on. There is no proof on either side.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

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Evolution has been around far longer than Darwin, although he was the first to make note of its exsistance. Creationism has been around for a while but evolution has been around forever. Personally I believe in evolution, and I think creationism is complete bulshit. Ill go more in depth into why a little bit later in the post.

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We can test everything. Aynthign and still not be 100% sure, we can be 99.9 percent sure. And then claim it's a law because we see no different.

But just because we soo no different doest mean there isnt. Scientific community sems to agree that nothing is %100.

We say things are law, but what if in a 99.9 percent probability that gravity is the was we've worked it out to be, isnt the way.

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Most things that we believe to be true can only be proven to be 99.9% right, but there are some that are 100% right. It is 100% correct of me to believe that if I am to stop breathing for a time period of over 30 minutes I will be dead and never draw in a breath again. We dont need scientific evidence to tell us that, but it does help to prove a point.

Now, as for why I think creationism is complete bullshit. The theory of creationism states that EVERYTHING was created by ONE omnipotent being. The major problem here is that EVERYTHING encompases the very omnipotent being that supposedly created everything. Nothing can create itself. We might be able to clone or reproduce things that look like us and act like us but did we create ourselves? No, we created a copy of ourselves. Of course, many people ask "if god created everything then what created god?" I just take it a step further. Creationism would be completely impossible simply because of the fact that in order for something to create something else, the first entity must have been created. Thus making it no longer the first entity. The thing that made the entity that is given credit for creating everything would also have had to have been created by something. Meaning that this is an endless cycle. Thus providing more evidence for evolution.

Also, if the Bible, both OT and NT, are as historically accurate as Christians believe it to be, then why exactly is it that before our "creation", why does it not mention all the other great creatures that must have been "created" before us. Such as dinosaurs, and other reptiles, birds, fish, ect ect. It does state that birds and animals and fish were created, but it states that they were created for the human population to live off of and rule over.

Thats all I have for the moment.

Hail Thyself!

about your evolution theory bro...there have been many gaps supporting and discluding evolution as factual...there have even been scientists who nationally have said that evolution wasnt true but that the only reason they supported it was because there wasnt any way they were going to believe in God...

Why must evolution and creationism be considered mutually exclusive?

I believe that we were created - or, rather, we placed ourselves into the physical world - and evolved to the state we are now.

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Originally Posted by NCarolina420

about your evolution theory bro...there have been many gaps supporting and discluding evolution as factual...there have even been scientists who nationally have said that evolution wasnt true but that the only reason they supported it was because there wasnt any way they were going to believe in God...

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for god's skae, I keep hearing this stupid argument, yet I haven't actually seen or heard one single scientist saying this. Please give me proof, cause it's so easy to say "yeah, but there's this scientist who says this."

I want names, books, publications, credentials, and what not. I can say anything I want and claim to be a scientist too, you know? But the fact remains, there are NO gaps in the theory, and 99.9% of scientists worldwide accept evolution.

"Given that evolution, according to Darwin, was in a continual state of motion ...it followed logically that the fossil record should be rife with examples of transitional forms leading from the less to more evolved. ...Instead of filling the gaps in the fossil record with so-called missing links, most paleontologists found themselves facing a situation in which there were only gaps in the fossil record, with no evidence of transformational intermediates between documented fossil species." (Schwartz, Jeffrey H., Sudden Origins, 1999, p. 89.)

Here you go buddy...just one example...there's plenty more if youd like them

"The known fossil record is not, and never has been, in accord with gradualism. What is remarkable is that, through a variety of historical circumstances, even the history of opposition has been obscured . . . â??The majority of paleontologists felt their evidence simply contradicted Darwinâ??s stress on minute, slow, and cumulative changes leading to species transformation.â?? . . . their story has been suppressed." (Stanley, S.M., The New Evolutionary Timetable, 1981, p. 71

"Gaps in the fossil record - particularly those parts of it that are most needed for interpreting the course of evolution - are not surprising." (Stebbins, G. L., Darwin to DNA, Molecules to Humanity, 1982, p. 107)

"We have so many gaps in the evolutionary history of life, gaps in such key areas as the origin of the multicellular organisms, the origin of the vertebrates, not to mention the origins of most invertebrate groups." (McGowan, C., In the Beginning . . . A Scientist Shows Why Evolutionists are Wrong, 1984, p. 95)