I'm glad this thread is still alive!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm glad this thread is still alive!!!!!!!!!!!!
First of all...such a great thread Tran. Really. Cheers :beer:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tranoble
I actually came back to read it thru again as I'm considering going to a fully sealed setup. I came across a couple new posts since I was around last and have a question for ya regarding the above quote...
In my experience, everytime, without fail....not having some sort of fresh air coming into a vegging room has held the plants back. For example, lets talk about a 6K setup with 200clones. If the ventilation stays off for a few days (usually cuz it's so cold and dry outside that it'll pull the room humidity down way too low)...but anyways, the plants will be looking droopy, even tho they are growing ok. Within 10minutes of turning the outside ventilation on however...BOOM! The plants just perk right up and start rockin hard.
So I'm a little confused.
You're saying your room is 100% sealed up and no CO2 until wk1 of bloom...so that's a week or 2 of no CO2 and no outside air. I'm having a hard time getting my head around that....
Harris was asking about AN's Overdrive...you mentioned it in your very first thread post Tran ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tranoble
While I have you here on the subject of bloom boosters and ripening products...
The AN charts give an application rate for BigBud and OverDrive but it is with an equal ratio of the 3part at 1/1/1....you (and I) both use the 3part base at a ratio of 1/2/4 (G/M/B).
Any comments on your application rates for BB or OD while using a 1/2/4 base ratio?
Thx Tran:)
Stupid Star;)
Im not saying you cant use Co2 in veg. I prefer not to. I like the plant to get a good start before pumping them with Co2. I notice the leaves droop just a little with Co2 on and if I turn it off for a day the leaves will stand straight up. Different stains do different things. I just go with what works best for the strain im using at that time.
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Originally Posted by Stuper Star
Not all strains can handle the 1/2/4 ratio. It works unreal tho if your strain can handle it.
I use the Over Drive in week 5 and 6 only.
The Big Bud I start at week 2. I use the Big Bud in every 2nd feeding. Week 2 75grams to 50 gal. Week 3-80 grams. Week 4-85grams. Week 5-90grams. Week 6-100grams. Thats of the top of my head or something close to that.
Ya, that much BB into a 1/2/4 mix is pretty smokin' :stoned: I only started using 1/2/4 on the last round and they loved it. But I didn't use any blooming products in wks 2-4...just some OD for 5-6.
I need new shades, but can't decide if I'm going to go with a vertical grow (like U.G.U...but pots of #4, not hydro)....dumping a G on shades would suck if I then do go vert...lol
I hear ya Tran. We even discussed earlier that your sealed room gets no CO2 for the end of flowering. Not even some fresh air, which has 3-400PPM of CO2. Amazing, but feasible I guess as plants certainly don't look like they're doing much thru the leafs at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tranoble
But in veg...it's all about high energy and growth. I don't understand how a room full of healthy vegging plants wouldn't deplete all the CO2 in that space.
The room isnt totally sealed. I allso find alot of strains dont like alot of Co2 when they are only a few days old thats why i leave it. But i know what your saying. If I have some real healthy babies and they are taking off quick forsure I will start the Co2 early. It just really sucks when your babies arnt liking the Co2 and they reject it. I think the key to any good crop is a great start.
I think the best advice you can get is right here on this site. Take a look around there are many small grows in these forums. Good luck.
i have read through your journal and i, like most others, am inspired and offer up the utmost respect to you for your knowledge and ability.thanks for journaling for us too.
im also a member at gardenscure.com and over there is a guy named rockclimber who is doing a grow somewhat similar to yours in size. hes growing a non-veg, sog, perpetual grow using an ebb/flow, harvesting monthly. his journal is impressive too (complete with construction pics!).
my question is one concerning yield.
hes harvesting one 4x8 tray a month and yielding 5 lbs. a month while you generated 36.5 lbs. from 2 rooms and 14,000 lights in 2 months.
im trying to find a common demonimator between you two and decide if its better to use soil like you are doing or go with the ebb/flow.
could you clarify as to how big the main 8 light room is youre growing in and how many square feet of garden is being used?
in doing the math it seems like youre yielding over twice as much as rockclimber but i cant help but believe im missing something in my assumptions or calculations.
.00125 lbs/watt = 10 lbs/8000W (rockclimber over a 2 month period)
.00261 lbs/watt = 36.5 lbs/14,000W (tranoble over a 2 month period)
his sog is yielding 8.41 grams per plant on 108 plants (per 4x8 tray) but youre saying yours is much more....and youre saying youre planting every six inches and that means 105 plants in the same 4x8 area as rockclimber....yikes! im confused on where ive gone astray or what im missing here. 20% - 50% difference between 2 experienced growers is feasible but 100% is alot of difference.
lastly, do you think youd get any better a yield if you made your boxes out of 2x10's since the roots could grow deeper?
thanks again for the journal.