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Sometimes wwhen the leavs stretch up it means that you are pushing the nutes right to the limet and anymore will be too much. IMO, water with just PH ajusted water for the next two feedings.
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The people at the hydro store told me I need to flush the plants out with 5 gallons of water and use a product they gave me that helps with flushing (seems like a salt leach product as well) I haven't had anything to put run off water into, so I water enough so that the water doesn't come out the bottom. I think that's why I am running into this problem - in fact I'm pretty much positive.

Unfortunately, I don't have much time to build a table, but tomorrow I am getting some corregated roof, I will put the plants on top and give them a nice much deserved flushing. 5 Gallons seems a bit excessive to me, anyone care to comment?

Has anyone done this just putting the plants on the corregated roof? I know it's kind of ghetto rigged, but I work forty hours a week and simply don't have time to build the table prior to leaving town on Monday. Thanks in advance.

9 days without seeing your plants?

Water??? Nutrients???

cheers

pictures pease

5 gallons for all of your plants, or for each one??? I know that for every one gallon of potsize in a soil grow , people use 3 gals of water, but with your soilless medium, it would take less IMO.
So five gals for all, I still don't know, how many girls are there again, and how big are the pots?
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32 plants total...in three gallon pots. I have been told by several people now they don't need the full five gallons to be flushed properly. I am going to flush a bit later on after talking with a few more people. would like Blue's suggestion, as well as gardknowm. pictures coming later on as well. the problem really hasnt progressed into anything huge, so i am thinking they really need the full 5 gallons...any advice appreciated. also, i am going to start flowering tomorrow am, won't give em water until sunday, should i start out really low with the nutes?

I am doing the flushing right now, doing about three-four gallons per. I really think that is plenty.

Thanks for the help gang. :rastasmoke: :jointsmile:


Blue you have been an enormous help, if I meet you I will bow down to you!

... or just give you a bunch of nuggets I just grew. =)

5 gallons seems like a desperate act... I don't know what they look like.. but I would consider letting the temp go up into the 80's (temperarily) and increase your watering schedule and quanity...

BLUE you rock!

Razz, GK, thanks for the props. Razz I would love to share a session with you some day, the bowing down thinggy would just make me blush. GK, any positive words from you are like getting a trophy.
Thanks again guys, I am flattered
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Love you folks

Pictures to be uploaded within a few hours! Just need to smoke a joint to get over this hang over I got going on. Thanks gang!! I owe some of you big time

Welp, about to leave town. Getting everything all set up for the friend who will be watching over the babies. They go into flower tomorrow at 6 AM and will be operating on 12.12 from there. I bought some Bloom nutes, as well as MOAB Mother of All Blooms additive which is used for the first week of flowering I am told. Am I incorrect in saying that this stuff will not show up on the PPM meter? I am going to give them 400PPM to start because they were just flushed, and then throw some of this in...which would obviously raise the PPM but the pen won't be able to detect, right? That's what I was told anyhow. Should I use the full amount as directed or have you guys done less in the past? Any info is great!

I have never used it, but it should still show up in the PPM. Also, garden guys can be great resources, but they will usually try to sale you the store.
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For sure Bear, it's a tricky situation for the new consumer in this type of stuff. I was told it would not show up on the PPM by a few different people, anyone else care to comment? My PPM says right around 600 and it said 500 prior to the MOAB being put in, so perhaps some of it shows up? I put about 20% less the reccomended dose to be careful. Last thing I want is to come home to a bunch of nutrient burned plants!


Boy is it weird leaving your babies at home when you have paid such careful attention to them since you received em. They will be in good hands, and I will have to invest my faith in the person watching over them.

This has been a wild ride so far, partially because I have been setting up the room while the plants were already vegging, makes it a bit tricky! I don't think you have any choice when you are on a budget.

I am not sure if the MOAB I have is completely organic, but I did read that organic nutrients show up alot less on PPM?

P.S Really sorry I haven't had a chance to upload pictures guys! I know some of you really enjoy keeping up with the log alot better if pictures are up. Right now they are between 16-18 inches tall, I have vegged for three weeks now. The fun pictures will begin when I get home and they are eight days into flowering, I will be updating once a week so folks can see the progression. Hopefully they will be quite chunky! Noticed some slight yellowing on a couple of leaves, hopefully it isn't a huge deal.

safe journeys!

I am back on the east coast safe and sound, will be back to the babies the 28th! Keeping my fingers crossed my buddy keeps everything in check. Today is their first flowering day, I'm excited to see what progress they make in nine days while I'm gone.

So far two days into flower, plants are still completely wet. Buddy will water them tomorrow. The instructions on MOAB is give it to em for the first week of flowering... does it matter if I don't water em until day four of flowering? I was thinking I would give it a week of the MOAB once the nuting does start. Any problem with that?

That stuff can be pretty powerful from what I understand. I would try to follow directions as far as when to use, but go easy on the dosage until you know how your plants react. Some just give a nice dose for the first week of flowering and then wait until the last 3 to 4 weeks to use again on flower boosters. Me, I only use the last few weeks. Also, I would not give it with any other main nutes, meaning cut out your other main NPK stuff, but you can probably still use any additives such as Liquid Karma, CalMag, and things like this and if you are using SuperThrive you want to stop using it in flower unless the plant is stressed and that go's for most vit B additives IMO.
Like I said, be careful with the first dose. Couple weeks back my wife gave a plant that was still in the first week of flower a mix that was for some older girls which contained a very small amount of Cool Bloom and it burnt the heck out of the plant, gave her leaf burn and some canoe leaves, so be careful.
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Thanks Blue. I put 20% less in the resivoir as directed on the bottle. Also used the main nutes as I was instructed to do so by the Hydro store. PPM is reading 600, should be okay I hope.

Talked to my friend who is taking care of them, and he said some slight slight curling on a few plants on the leaves (this has been a problem for over a week now) Doesn't seem to be spreading, said it doesn't look serious.

He also mentioned that the room is getting quite cold when the lights are off, is there any type of stress that the plant goes through if the difference between lights on temp is different than lights off temps?

With the temps, they say that you don't want more than a 10D change between light and dark times, but I have had as much as 15D without any noticeable dif, I used an electric heater for a while, but it pushed my electric up more than a 1K to have it on every day dering the dark cycle, so unless it is over 15D differents I really wouldn't worry.
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Don't know for sure because I have been out of town since the lights started going off. But I would not be surprised in the least if it's right around fifteen degrees difference. My temps were around 73 with the lights on, and with no heat in the entire house it sure as hell felt like around 58 sometimes in the living room when I wake up. What would happen if the difference is indeed 15 degrees or more?

I will check it out when I get back home. Really don't want to need to put a heater in the room, more electricity, and then my humidity levels are going to be super low which will make it needed to water more often. But obviously I will do whatever is needed. Thanks Blue!

I am curious what is causing the curling even though it appears to be minimal right now. I am using one of those ghetto ph measure things, where you put three drops in the water. I am thinking it could be inconsistent ph levels? I really need to buy a ph pen when I get back.

Also wanted to add, I conduct searches on cannabis.com for such information before making posts, and the search button yields no results. I type in something as simple as temperatures and nothing comes up. What gives?

When you conduct the searches are you logged in? Also, if you use an anonamus IP server, can't remember what they are called, sometimes it will block some of the sights features.
Well, with the leaf curl, first of all, if it is a def, then CalMag IMO will help the most, and when growing in a soiless medium defs can be pretty common. I doubt it is the temps. Are they curling up or down?
With the cold temps, when the cold gets extreme the leaves will start to look kind of wilted when the lights first come on, but if they still look robust every morning, I would just ride it out, but that is my personal opinion.
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I just conducted a search logged in, and it worked. Unfortunately some of the activies I take part in prohibit me from remembering things in the short term, so I will let you know if I have a problem again (while logged in)

With reguards to the curling, it's curling up from the middle of the leaf. Not "the claw" type curling. It's more of a bending into itself from the middle of the leaf. Does that make sense?

I will ride out the temps unless it looks like a big problem. Keep ya posted Blue. I go back home the 28th, really looking forward to seeing what the first nine days of flowering looks like. Thanks for the kind words (reputation) Really appreciate your help.

How long does it take for flowers to form on the cola? I probably shouldn't expect that to have started with only nine days of flowering right?

Thanks again cannabis.com!

It really depends on the strain, but sometimes at as little as two weeks you can have some M&M size buds showing up. With the leafes, is it like a canoe type bend? Do you smoke sigs around your grow room??
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Nope, never smoke cigarettes in the house ever. Yes, kind of a canoe type bending to answer your question. But more like a closed canoe lol if that makes sense. I will post pictures when I get home. As of now it doesn't look like anything serious so I'm not going to stress it. Thanks once again Blue

Wanted to wish everyone a late Happy Holidays. The Holiday season is one to appreciate what we are given by others, and I wanted to take a moment to thank each and every person who has answered all of my questions, no matter how simple they were. Hope everyone is feeling fine, and rocks in the New Year with tons of happiness!

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Wanted to wish everyone a late Happy Holidays. The Holiday season is one to appreciate what we are given by others, and I wanted to take a moment to thank each and every person who has answered all of my questions, no matter how simple they were. Hope everyone is feeling fine, and rocks in the New Year with tons of happiness!

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Happy holidays to you to man . Nice setup by the way , I prefer to gradually let the plants strenghten before giving them such insane amounts of energy ,you have the space, its just they tend to get lanky and stretch out ,so later in their life the bottoms may not get the approptiate light. I hope to see some serious kolas from those plants though bro, I have only heard things of sour diesel :rasta: peace out

Surprisingly they aren't streched at all, or at least don't appear to be. I get back home from a holiday trip on Thursday, will post some pictures for you guys. Can't wait to get back and see my bitches!!!

Do you guys rotate your plants? I was just told by my friend that the plants in the center of the light space are about 1-2 inches taller than those on the outside. Will have to see for myself tomorrow though.

Hi RAZZ

rotating plants can be very useful for some lighting situations...

idealy you will not have to rotate your plants.. cause your lighting will be PERRRFECT!!!

Just set up the carbon filter in the attic - it's nice to not have it take up space in the room. I haven't rotated the plants yet, but I think I will soon, only thing is the ones on the outside are just as big as the ones on the inside, so are they really growing unevenly at all? Anyhow, I will get some pictures up tomorrow. Happy New Year to all!

P.S Everyone who told me that Sour Diesel is one of the smelliest strains was absolutely right. I came home from vacation to find the house reeking of weed, was only 7 days into 12.12 at that point too. And it wasn't that plant type smell, it smelled like bud! Now the problem is fixed! I am considering buying a co2 system, have some extra money. This is a worth while investment even for round one right?

i didnt get a system i just got a tank and a meter ,and some plastic tube.but yes it will increase yield . they say to match ppm of nutrient with ppm of o2

Sorry it's been so long gang, I have been keeping up with other people's threads and been busy with work, didn't even realize I had left my thread unnoticed for a bit! Here are some pictures.

#! Here is a stand alone shot of one of the girls, most of them were right around 18 inches tall when I started flowering, and I left town for 9 days, well, they shot up about a foot!! Tall bitches!

#2 Shot of the canopy. Looking pretty nice I think.

#3 Tiny little buds starting to form. Finally!! It's day 14 today, I am impatient! :D

#4 Another close up of a girl. It's hard to tell from the picture but this plant is a darker green, and it's a bit droopy. Two of the others look pretty similar. Bud developement is ahead of alot of the girls though, so I guess she's okay?

Excited things have started to pick up a bit!!

On a sour note, today the lights went on around 6:00. At around 6:30 my room mate blew a fuse that turned one of the 1000 watt lamps off, and I didn't realize it for about an hour. So, half of the room was without light, still receiving some from the other lamp... but isn't this bad because it encourages hermies? Won't have the problem again that's for sure, just curious if this is something I should worry about.

On a final note, I am considering buying one of the "poor mans reverse osmosis" filters. No waste water which is nice, and I was told it should cut the PPM down 30% from the tap. Anyone used em?

Cheers!

i wouldn't worry about it due to the fact that one 1000w light can grow your plants by its self. maybe if it hapened like every hour but for only one hour i wouldnt worry.

For sure SantaCruz, not going to stress myself out about things that are already done anyhow!

Got some Hygrozyme today... filled up the resivoir with tap water (268ppm) and then added my blooming nutrient which brought my ppm to 630. Is this too low?

Hygrozyme says 8-10 mL per gallon, I am going to go on around eight.

Question, I know Hygrozyme doesn't show up on PPM meters, and as I get later in flowering I am going to try to push the ladies a bit with the PPM and see how they handle it. I am guessing a way to do that would be push the ppm prior to Hygrozyme being added to around 1000 and then add Hygrozyme with 8mL per gallon... you guys think that's a good idea?

One last question, I have the ladies in three gallon pots, and then are kind of right on top of each other, want to be cautious about mold. If any of you can share your experiences with that (and preventing it) please let me know.

Cheers! :rastasmoke:

Hey just wanted to stop in and say hi... plants look great!
If you want to avoid mold keep your humididty around 40% and make sure you have a little breeze.
I'm kind of confused-reservoir? It looks like soil to me... I haven't used hygrozyme, but I use Cannazyme and that product anyway you can actually double the conc the first time... dunno about hygrozyme... just watch though that as the dead root matter breaks down, some N is going to be released. But also C is going to be released and you might try hitting your plants with some Sweet to take advantage of that... just a thought!:D

It's actually Sunshine #4 which is a soil-less mix but looks a ton like soil. I actually don't have a drip system or anything set up just yet, when I said resivoir I just meant where I put the water, and mix up the solution etc.

Hygrozyme makes the blooming nutrients more readily available to the plants I am told. I jacked up the PPM to around 700, hopefully it will be just fine. Then next time I mix solution I will try to push it a little closer to 1000.

Don't have a dehumidifier in there just yet, probably should look into it. Hooking up a humidity therm later on today, will post and let you know where my levels are.

A dehumidifier is a great asset.
You know, another product that is great is that TopMax stuff... making nutes more available... part of that is a chemical process called chelation where a chelating agent, for example, EDTA, EGTA, humic acid, oxalic acid, etc, basically forms a complex with the ferts and prevents them from interacting and combining into unusable/unavailable forms... topmax has humates PLUS all sorts of other yummy goodies that will sweeten up your girls a bit!

Cool, thanks for the tip! Will ask about TopMax next time I am at the store. It seems Hygrozyme does some of the same stuff you described but I will look into it. Thanks Stinky! Will be posting pictures every week from here on out. Sour Diesel is a ten week flowering stain, so I am going to have to be patient here - which will only grow harder as the buds develope. Great things come to those who wait though