Yeah it is a conflict of interest. But I don't know a lot of people who totally agree with everything a single political party represents.Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
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Yeah it is a conflict of interest. But I don't know a lot of people who totally agree with everything a single political party represents.Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
Point for Sawleaf :DQuote:
Originally Posted by sawleaf
Totrog weither really smart ro really dumb, what does evyerone esle think?
yes point for SAW
I consider myself somewhat of a conservatist
and I DO! smoke the reefer
lol
two party politics still leaves a lot of room for conflicting ideas within those two parties. theres always renegades and mavericks. lol.
Howdy FLESH,Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
Point # 1. I read every article that I copy and paste,and I analyse my thoughts and reactions to them,as well as attempt to extrapolate what I can expect in response to posting each article,and formulate my arguments and counter-points to the opposition ,before-hand. My purpose,is not only to enlighten-but to inform and recieve a definition of opposing views..I am,in effect,prompting you and stimulating you,to define yourself and your personal beliefs,so that I can better understand you and how you percieve the world..my intention is to debate the subject at hand-not to provoke an emotional reaction-for my own pleasure. I try to always remain open to the possibilty-that you may in fact,teach me something about my perceptions that could possibly be wrong..thereby further evolving my wisdom pertaining to the subject being discussed. Is that so wrong ? Is it being malicious,to prompt a response from you-purely for discussional and defining purposes ?
Point #2. I appreciate your kind words,stating that you believe that I'm not stupid.
I assure you,that I am an ultra-conservative Christian,in many ways-but not all..I'm also a traditionalist as well as an unapologitic,shame-less American patriot. That does not mean-that I support the war on drugs,as it pertains to marijuana-but I do detest hard drugs,especially when they are sold to children and minors..what adults do ,in regards to hard drugs-as long as they don't harm others-including their family's,is the business of adults.
I firmly believe,that this here old dog,can learn new tricks..even the youngest and the least amongst y'all..has the possibility of teaching me something new..I try to remain open and humble,to that fact..because I desire to be true to myself..as false-hoods and airs-will git me nowhere..'cept maybe running around in circles.
I hope that my response has been satisfactory and self-explanatory...
Have a good one....Torog
All rght Torog, I guess an apology is in order. I just REALLY don't understand your position, although I've tried, especially since the election. Whatever.
We both like weed, so let's be friends :D
I reckon most of these soldiers aren't brave at all, they just enjoy killing people and destroying things. A good example of this is the marine that shot an unarmed, injured guy with his eyes closed for no reason, and the guy using a mortar launcher who fired a mortar then went "Woo! Get me some more ammo baby!"
err..anyone got anymore popcorn?:D
I'm out lmfaooo
Kombucha, I don't think that the soldiers are wanton killers (although, as with everything in life, there will be a few 'radicals' within any given group - law of averages, yes?), but you must remember that they are in a 'kill-or-be-killed' situation that folk such as I (a non-soldier who has never faced such adversity) can not hope to understand.
Those images that you saw on the news, are wholly misrepresentative of the precluding situation - ie, who's to say that that particular Marine, had not just witnessed several of his comrades get shot down by these people.
The type of people that we are dealing with here, are not the kind of people who possess rational thought - they DO NOT represent the Iraqis in any way, and I would further suggest that it is THEY who are the wanton killers, rather than the Marines.
Recently, a western woman was brutally murdered and mutilated by these so-called 'freedom fighters', and yet this woman (Margaret Hassan) was someone who had dedicated her life to helping the Iraqi people - surely, no one can justify such a 'political' outcry.
Although most of us have not experienced a 'war-zone' environment, I think we can at least understand the feeling of adrenalin when in a 'combative' situation; How many of us get so wound up about a football match, and find ourselves shouting abuse at the opposition etc? Is it not a similar feeling of emotions running riot?
Try to imagine that same feeling of adrenalin, but with a view to the fact that any mistake will cost you your life, rather than just your pride.
War is nasty, folks, and things happen that we (who have no comprehension of such) find very hard to understand or accept. That is not to lend any justification to any attrocities that occur, but rather to with-hold judgement until we are in possession of ALL of the facts pertaining to such - rather than rely on footage on our screens which can easily be misrepresentative, or indeed, edited to illicit a prescibed response.
Imagine, if you will, that an alien force has stormed your house, and systematically killed your entire family, yet you have survived.
I wonder how discriminate YOU would be, had you the wherewithall to exact your revenge against them?
The true reasons for going into this war will most likely not become apparent for some time, but rest assured that the ramifications will be known sooner than we all would like, probably.
Just my thoughts.
:)
Res...
To serve in a combat zone takes personal bravery period. The rush and fear troops experience in combat brings on lots of emotion. People deal with it in different ways. Making combat fun is a way for troops to hide the horror and fear they feel. They are in a shitty situation so they make it fun. They are fighting to stay alive more than anything and each person they kill betters their chances of survival. If you have not experienced combat, who are you to criticize troops who are fighting? The Marine who shot the man playing dead assessed the situation and made a call. We are not their experiencing what they are daily. When was the last time someone shot at you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kombucha
In two weeks the sheeplike masses of any country can be worked up by the newspapers into such a state of excited fury that men are prepared to put on uniforms and kill and be killed, for the sake of the sordid ends of a few interested parties. Compulsory military service seems to me the most disgraceful symptom of that deficiency in personal dignity from which civilized mankind is suffering today. - (Albert Einstein, 1934)
The guy was not playing dead he was hurt. The marine calmly raised his gun and shot. He didn't take cover or even act like he was worried, the man on the floor was clearly unarmed.
As for the soldiers being in a shitty situation, maybe they are, but they chose to be soldiers. They were not conscripted, they knew that they could be sent to war. Soldiers should not enjoy war, that indicates some serious problems.
no but i did hear of isreal troops bobmin schools! and all this other crap...with american money! and guess what! the othe rcountrie cant defend its self coz it aint got usa "aid" (loan/guns) thus the ppl try to save the country with any means they can!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
im not sayin either is right!
but belive me, the jewish ppl dont suffer today like they did b4, so dont give me no poor jew crap! respect to ur GF, but the media is giving u all this crap coz its controllin that shit, all the news and shows. i aont no racist , one thing is to have an open mind and another to b blind to the truth
Howdy FLESH,Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
I appreciate your apology and for you giving me the chance to try and explain my position somewhat,I realize that it was not a thorough explanation I will try and not be so confusing in the future.
As for weed-I not only like it..I love it ! I think it's one of God's greatest blessings to us. I would like to be friends,and when we can't agree about things..we''ll remember that we're friends..and we'll peacefully disagree . :D
Have a good one...Torog :)
thats not cool shooting an unarmed person.
but its even worse to shoot what you think might be an unarmed corpse...thats just an act of hatred...my 2 cents!
puff puff pass
Cool :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Torog
See, if only more politicians were tokers, the world's problems would disappear! lol
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Originally Posted by Euphoric
War is not cool or about being cool.
Lol, Euphoric, would you rather be shot now or in 100 years time when you're dead?
lmao :eek: :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Encatuse
You know if she was true to her religion she shouldn't even be dating you after all your just a christian and many conservative fundamentalist christians would probably not recommend it either.(you have obviously read the bible and should therefore know what the jews thought of jesus and christians).Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
My point is that each religion has it's extremists not only muslims but jews and christians too. If you are so into quoting the bible and doing your god given right then what are you doing dating a jew?
because, Mrs Potato Head, these days people choose which parts of the bible they want to abide by -
God says dont kill.. but Bush claims to be a Christian, and sends the command for thousands of Iraqis to be killed
God says dont pollute your body.. but millions of Christians get drunk, commit suicide, smoke cigarettes, smoke weed, take crack, speed, herion etc
God says that homosexuality is wrong.. but the Church is now willing to 'work with' the world's homosexual community...
God says don't steal.. but millions of Christians steal, lie, gamble and cheat
God says not to harm people.. but millions of Christians fight, stab people, shoot people, rape people, etc..
I could go on but you get my point
Now, im not saying that all Christians do these things but alot of Christians do
this is why i dont like organised religion.. firstly because it tells you how to live your life, when no one should do that but you.. and secondly, because even though it telsl you how to live your life, people choose which parts theyre going to abide by.. so whats the point?
But i think you made a mistake ghost toker, christainity isnt a religion it's a blief in the existance of jesus, Catholicsis, and the prodistant people are religious. God edoesnt say shit, people interpreate shit.
I'm on your page ghost and am also against the use of organised religion to cast judgements upon other people (another one god said not to do). I believe spirituality is personal, but find it funny when someone like torog preaches the bible left right and center, backs the jewish people but not the islamic (all the same in my books). Maybe Torog should wake up and see that most of these religions are preaching the same things and that followers just follow, whether they are dogmatic ignorant followers or educated and informed, they are still just followers.Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
right on!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs PotatoHead
im sure, if you go back far enough, youll find that alot of religions started in the same places, or for the same reasons (i mean, even Christians fight among themselves, and have start different christian religions).. or at least, if you look close enough, youll see that their fundamental principles are the same.. cant we all just get a bong? :)
I think this joke would be quite appropriate..
I was walking across a bridge one day, and i saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. so i ran over and said "stop! don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?" He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?" He said, "Baptist!" I said, "Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?" He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?" He said, "Reformed baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off. (Emo Phillips)
:)
Baaa Baaaa....Sheep-like followers because they need to be told how to live their lives in accordance with someone else's ideals...
...the Lord is my shepard...baaa baaa baaa
lol
:eek: lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
so true...no I mean "me too".
technology has evolved and we can now travel to the far continents of the world but when we get there our minds are still back in the caves beatin each other up with sticks.
All I can say is I am glad I am a potato and most of those scummy potatoes varieties died out during the famine.lol :p
I WANT THAT FUCKIN MANPACK GATLING GUN... THAT THING IS SWEET...
gimme a go too.
*turns weopon on its handlers and lets loose*
mwah hahahaha
I really, really hope you are jokingQuote:
Originally Posted by Looker
Of course he is joking. Everyone knows that they are too heavy to lug around and are too expensive to fire. 6000rpm x .17 per round(bulk price for NATO 7.62mm)=1,020.00 for a minute of firing. Well could be worst. Could be a Ma Deuce at .75 a round. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kombucha
bah, and i was trying to get my cost per kill down.
oh well, still runnin at a profit, even after vietnam. :D
amen brotherQuote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
how is this war a fight for freedom? my friends brother was killed in iraq by some random dude that lived there that wasnt even a soldier sounds to me if this was a fight for freedom average joes and janes over there wouldnt be killin us
just my opinion
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Originally Posted by Torog
This is the rant of a jackbooted brainwashed gun happy retard IMHO.
I am so pleased this isn't representative of the average yank , unfortunately it is true of most of your troops.