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Haze meister i can see how it would seem suspicious to someone who actually knows what hes talking about like these dumbasses dont. I was trying my best to spit out info because i cant type nearly as fast as i am thinking. I can tell that you know your stuff too. If you want to see how much i know just ask...hehe....i have been round em since i could walk or talk... I like guns and when used with responsibility they can be fun and useful.
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Originally Posted by Polymirize
ok guys i am in no way a redneck. in seventh grade, i won a talent search (living in northy philly) and got a 1460 on the SAT. i am an honor student, in the CITY. fuck all those rednecks, they're the motherfuckers that should have guns banned from them. inbred motherfuckers.Quote:
Originally Posted by bedake
What the fuck? You're trying to justify a case for guns based upon dialogue from a nic cage film? educated huh? well, that might work on dahaze, he likes movies, but please try a little harder for the rest of us huh...Quote:
Originally Posted by m4ster chef
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Originally Posted by m4ster chef
the thing is, take guns out of the picture, say they never existed, there is still going to be violence, look at africa, before guns there was tribal warfare, not too dangerous, sure it was lethal but the death rate was lower, add guns and then you have genocides going on
Bottom line, because I know how to handle a gun properly I'm safer having one, end of story. What Joe Schmoe does with his gun is not my business.
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Originally Posted by da haze meister
Sorry man. For the most part I'm kidding. Hence the dancing smily face. And as for actual rednecks, i think we're in agreement. obviously we can't trust the stupid inbred people with guns...
right?
If you want control of all hand guns and automatics i think you should learn a little about guns before posting. I can make ANY semi automatic shotgun into an "assault weapon". All i have to do is ASSAULT someone with it. Any gun is dangerous when used in an improper manner. Hand guns and purpose built tactical arms are no different from hunting rifles or shotguns. I can kill someone with my bow just like i can with an AK.
ok dude the M14 is full auto, because thats how all of them are. they came to vietnam and korea full auto ONLY. i converted it to be selectable because otherwise, i would have to swap out the whole sear assembly, and that would cost me money, as well as compromise the integrity of the firearm. now which is better, the gun being full auto or the gun being semi auto and accidently going off?Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
Tadaa, I love how you never face up to any of your mistakes, but rather try and roll on and completely ignore them, pretending they never existed...
This is, by the way, the same reason I don't think you should be allowed to have a gun...
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lol thats good man... people have to learn responsibility before you ever pick up the damn thing, jsut like getting a learners permit for driving. that is what would make guns safer.Quote:
Originally Posted by m4ster chef
Apparently you can't read. The bottom line is that I know how to handle a gun and I've been doing so for many years. Therefore, I am safer having one. What Joe Schmoe does with his gun is not my business, nor are his moronic shooting himself in the foot statistics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
exactly. im glad we agree on something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
"gosh dang it jethro, is that a deer or a wife and child? i cant see it too dang good... pass me another beer"
No disagreements there. So help me educate myself. What is the proper way to handle something that is made to kill? Or did you miss the paperweight comment earlier? That would be a shame because I thought it was a perfectly valid question. I can use a cinder block to kill someone, or to rest lumber on. I can use a knife to kill someone, or to cut a piece of rope. I can use a can of soup to kill someone, or I can just open it and eat the contents. What can I use a gun for other than to kill someone?Quote:
Originally Posted by m4ster chef
Oh well, pardon me for not taking your word for it as to whether or not you should be trusted with a weapon. Realise, it's not your safety I'm concerned with, and really not even my own, but the safety of all those loved ones out there in the world that I'm thinking of.Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
Ok DHM... so where do we draw the boundaries then?
there has been 2 shooting deaths in a neighboring town in the past 2 weeks, one a guy shot his girlfriend on accident and killed her while dicking around, another 3 days ago a ten year old girl got shot in the head, noone knows how and no gun has been found.
Ok 2 accidental shooting deaths in the neighboring town in the past 2 weeks, in the past 4 years there have been only 2 murders
according to my neighboring town there are more frequent accidental shootings then robberies at gun point and murders not only do guns cause violence, they also are parts of accidents
no one says that guns arent made to kill. that was the original point dude! fuckin what else can you use a spear for, or a knife? i know you will say that you can whittle or somethin with a knife, but you can shoot the fuck out of a tree to cut it down? dumb and pointless but still a use. many things were originally made to kill. swords, knifes, cars (the version of the car we use today uses most of its modern technology from WWI tanks.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
I'm going to ahead and say that most of the modern technology in my car is not from WWI. That wouldn't very modern at all. I'm not sure what you're driving though. ;)
Haze meister, you already agreed that we can't trust the hillbillies with guns, so where do you draw the line?
i think that everyone should have to take extensive gun safety courses before they can own, possess, carry, or shoot a firearm. since i cant appropriately draw the line between hillbilly and good, thats the best i can do. also, the technology in your car did develop from WWI, in the way that it came from what came from etc etc etc. not directly, indirectly. as in leaf spring suspension, modern engine, modern exhaust system, crumple zones, anti roll bars, etc. i love cars too, as you can tell.
EDIT: And actually, i am driving a '99 Saturn L300 with about 550 HP, 600 lb/ft torque, and the most comfortable interior you will ever sit in. It will most definitely smoke whatever you have. 0-60 in 4.2 seconds, 4WD, and top speed is about 160.
Engine: 2.4L DOHC INline 4 with electronically adjustable fuel injection, reinforced manifolds, ported and polished, aftermarket heads (dunno what brand) a supercharger taken from an ecotec I4 in a cobalt, and one centrifugal vortec turbo pumping a total of 18 PSI of boost into it. If i turn the settings allthe way down, it gets 25 mpg city and still puts out 280 hp. now thats efficiency.
who cares, are you a parent? have you had kids? how fuckin often do they even listen to what you teach them? you must of been raised by some other species if you think human kids grow up thinking "my parents said it's bad so i must never ever do it" actually applies to anyone.. as for gun safe, yea its' easy, it's also easy to figure out safe combinations, or get ahold of the keys... and picking a lock is almost as easy as ordering a pizza... i've been able to pick locks since i was 10... as for the response to 12 years old and you shoot yourself how fucking dumb can you be... accidnets happen.. you don't have to even be careless to shoot yourself... shit happens, and it happens everyday, there are thousands of ways to be killed by a gun, other than putting it to your head and pulling the trigger you know... so i must as k you the same thing... how fuckin dumb can you be... you're also forgetting the main statment of my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
i don't stand on either side, i see points from both sides i was merely offering points to justify both sides... so you're attacking the wrong person you gun weilding jack ass..
The extensive gun courses are a great idea, but they wouldn't really help very much with the black market sales of guns or keep them from falling into the hands of children as effectively as just banning them altogether. I can see how the technology evolved, I gotcha. Where are the crumple zones in a tank, by the way? Just in case I need to take one out ;)
that is a good point... the crumple zones were not in essence those, but softer parts of metal in the frame, not the armor of the tank, so that in case of a jarring, the soldiers would not get fucked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BongSmokityDuo
well that doesn't help me with my tank fighting at all! ;)
As for what you say about guns I mostly agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by da haze meister
That being said screw you Yankee. Nobody can shoot a gun better than a fine upstanding southern gentleman.
Now pass me another beer...
some of you gun toting idiots really need to stop and think what you're saying rather than being up and huffy-puffy denfending your precious guns...
i'm taking hit from some of you bastards for simply pointing out facts ON BOTH FUCKING SIDES... i don't stand on either side... go back through and read some of the shit you are saying... replace <insertrandomperson> with your loved ones.. instead of "i don't care what some stupid ass does with a gun, if he kills himself, it's his fault and guns shouldn't be taking heat because of a person" .... "i don't care what my son does with a gun, if he kills himself it's his fault and guns shoudln't be taking heat because of him" ... also, it's human nature to fuck up and be forgetful... even computers aren't 100% becasue they are programed by humans... so you can say you're taking precautions all you want... just because you teach your child/loved ones all about guns, and when to use them, and how to use them safely... doesn't mean they won't fuckin end up seriously hurting themselves if not killing themselves.... also, just because you think you're safely locking up your gun out of reach of others doesn't mean you're right. people are forgetful, no one remembers everything for the durration of their life, you can leave the combination where a child could find it, you could leave the key within reach, you could even forget to fuckin shut the goddamn door on the lock completly... like i said, go back and read the shit some ofyou have said, and put it to yourself... read your own words only instead of saying some random person you obviously don't care about, put your family members/loved ones in there... maybe then some of you will open your eyes, while others, i'm sure will remain blind... because ignorance is blind...
Fuck the animals, just have a 300 foot long hydroponics system! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Brittoker
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Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
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Please don't encourage him... we're aiming for a reduction of violence, not merely a brutalization of it.
Well kids.....i had to go smoke it up last night....sorry i couldnt continue but we just got some fire ass weed from the NO... ha...
So has everyone agreed that guns arent the cause of all our violent problems?
Does anyone want to argue that destroying or "banning" all guns would just lead to one man's bloody and relentless campiagn of unstoppable violence?
Take EVERYONE'S guns and some big fat and powerful rich fucker WILL make more.
Also, guns are part of an olympic sport. And although I cant be 100 percent positive, I can almost certainly say that none of the olympic team has shot anyone. Its just a sport. Target practice.
Also, I think we should outlaw all teachings of the Martial Arts. Will ANYONE argue that the martial arts is anything more than a way of hurting and even killing someone with only your body? Dont get me wrong...I LOVE fights. I even like to fight every once in a while, I watch all UFC fights, but im saying this for the sake of argument.
If one has never been beaten up and one learns martial arts, isnt that equivelent to one going out and buying a gun when that person may have never been assaulted?
The whole point im trying to make is that guns, nor weapons of any kind are the main problem. The human nature is the problem. If someone wants to harm us or does harm us, then we want to harm them back, and many times we want to harm them worse so they "learn their lesson".
If you take all guns away, I do agree, deaths from guns would decline, I wont say cease because of how easy it is to make a homemade gun, BUT it would only be a matter of time before more were made. And if you dont realize this you havent taken a look at the real world lately.
Leaders of countries would only look for ways to kill or hurt people on a larger scale and because you cant also outlaw chemicals and other volitile substances, they would turn to bombs, mortars (simple ones being nothing more than a big bottle rocket) and other types of mass killing devices.
Thats my 2 cents and I think a lot of you %100 gun haters need to read this and think about it before saying guns need to be banned.
You have to look at the consequences of what would happen if they were to be. The world only gets more violent. If people have their guns taken, they are going to look for other ways with which to defend and kill with.
Taking the guns away wont solve much. The real problem is education or lack thereof. Education and helping people are the only ways of actually reducing crime rates. Look at the UK. Violent crime has GONE UP since their gun ban, if you dont believe me go look it up.
All im saying is dont continually cry "No guns! No guns!", instead, cry for education and order to be brought to people, along with a sense of responsibility. Thats what is needed more than anything.
My dad taught me gun safety at an early age. I had access to guns if I wanted them, but I didn't touch them unless he was with me, because I was TAUGHT, it's called parenting. Natural Selection baby, any 12 year old that would shoot himself doesn't need to be poluting the gene pool.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
ok so you're saying... that just because the kid decides not to listen to what he's taught (which almost every last kid in past present and future does/has done) he doesn't deserve to live?Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
....if you call that parenting... i feel sorry for any kids you have or may have...
"nope sorry son, i told you not to climb that tree... you don't get to go to the hospital for your broken collar bone, maybe it'll teach you a lesson"
A 12 year old kid could disobey his parents and steal their car, and kill himself or another driver, should we outlaw cars too? If not then you're a hypocrite.
actually you're just grasping at straws now... trying to find anything to rebuke my statments... which makes you retarded.... let me say t his one more fuckin time for all you hard-headed fuck-tards
i'm not fucking against guns, i'm not for guns.. i am fucking neither i merely am pointing out facts from both fucking cases... some of you just don't fucking read or something i've said this multiple times already!
fuck, you want to put your and your family at risk i don't give a shit... that's your family.. but i bet if your kid shoots himself you won't be quite so fuckin ignorant when someone is just merely fuckin point out the possible dangers they pose... you know, the ones here that are against guns didn't give me shit for pointing out why one could/would be needed ... i'm only catching shit from you fuckers that are for guns...
Like I said, my kid will never shoot himself because he will be properly trained. Don't give me your stupid ass what if statements, what if the world ends tomorrow, what if this blah blah blah it's all nonsense and it's pure SPECULATION.
I think guns have their uses e.g the defence of ones country but if you look simply at the murder levels of countrys where gun ownership is pretty much illegal (its not totally illegal in Britain) compared to countrys where gun ownership is at high levels then you'll see there is a huge gap.
Obviously totally outlawing gun ownership wouldn't stop some getting guns in their hands but it would drastically cut down on the number in circulation. I'd imagine that because of this you'd actually be much safer having no gun with less criminals having them than if both parties were armed.
you must be more retarded then i previously thought if you think your (or any) kid is going to listen and obey to their parents every command...Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
dont' give you my what if statments? well how about you don't give me your useless comparative statements... a gun is for one and only one purpose.. to kill.. it has no other practical use as mentioned before.. a car while can be used as a deadly weapon, has other fuckin purposes... so to even say because someone could get killed we should outlaw cars is completely ignorant... and again, just you grasping at straws...
Guns can be used to hunt, to survive, which is more essential than having a car. Guns can be used to save my life, and my families life, a car isn't going to help me when someone breaks in my home. So honestly, a gun has more useful purposes than a car does. What's more important, getting groceries or saving my own life, gee lemme think.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
I don't give a fuck if your kid shoots himself, I shouldn't be punished because you and your godamn kid are fucking idiots.
funny how you call me an idiot and tell me a gun has more than one purpose (killing) when every purpose you named is what? c'mon say it...Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
tha'ts right.. all of those are killing... someone breaks in your house you kill them.. you aren't planning on handing them the gun are you? go hunting, you're killing the animal with the gun right? ....
my point still stands... guns are for one and only one purpose, to kill... and i'm not an idiot, neither will be my son.. how many fucking times do i have to say this over and over...
I'M NOT AGAINST FUCKING GUNS. HERE LET ME SPELL IT OUT, TAKE IT SLOW NOW DON'T OVERLOAD YOUR BRAIN. I A M N O T A G A I N S T G U N S.
got the picture yet? or are you too fuckin stupid to even comprehend those words? tha'ts like the 4th or 5 th time i've said it in this thread..
There isn't a single anti gun issue that makes sense. There are too many guns in circulation to ban them, stopping production isn't going to do anything, and it's a fuckin violation of the bill of rights. End of story, there is no other side. You're wrong, plain and simple. Citizens need guns to protect themselves from outlaws. There isn't one single argument that makese any sense when it comes to anti gun people.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho