Will 150w HPS outperform 372w of T5HO?

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Originally Posted by OMB

Losing a lot of those yellow fan leaves...I'm getting nervous, I'm only 38 day's in. :(

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They are hungry! Feed them! Don't sweat the yellow leaves, they won't revert to green, they will fall off. Its not a big deal. More light, denser plant & bud require more nutes. But don't mourn the loss of the sunleaves, there's plenty bud leaf to carry on photosynthesis. They need a little nitrogen @about 1/2 strength. (Your growth food). Then go back to your bloom food & carry on. Remember what Shov said about sometimes they yellow early? That's just an indication they are way ahead of the hps. As buds bulk, they draw stored energy from the sun leaves. The faster the buds bulk, the sooner the sunleaves go. Couldnt be more natural! Clorosis is actually a yellowing due to an iron deficiency. If you had true clorosis (iron deficiency), the tips of calyx & bud leaves would be turning a golden color too, but that is not your problem. You actually have no problem. This is a natural occurrence. I actually wouldn't add any nitrogen, you may end up tasting it in your smoke. But if you really can't stand the thought of yellowing sunleaves, that's the only way you'll prevent more from yellowing. Geeze! You obsess over NATURALLY yellowing leaves more than I did on discovering that third nipple, & having all the hungry stray kittens follow me home! LOL! Just kidding! Hungry kittens have always followed me home! Hahaha! But anyway..... the T5's are just more mature than the hps, so get over it before you develop an ulcer! Just curious. ... if you had a daughter who started developing breast a little early, would you have an aneurysm? So, your plants are GREAT, there is no problem, relax! You're starting to make me think you're OCD! ;) ;) ;)

Hahahaha.....Ok, ok, I will settle down. Daughter's growing boobies? Shoot, they are both in college with boyfriends! :wtf:
Anyway, The buds and small leaves are looking good. I just gave them H2O tonight, they will get their Vitamins tomorrow Mama. ;)

Ok...deep breath now. "I will not look at the plants 5 times a night"....and repeat. :stoned:

More progress, filling out well. :thumbsup:

Couple more....You can "click" on the pics to enlarge any of them.

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bud envy haha!!!!

Beautiful!

Almost there...:thumbsup:

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Looking GOOD! I'm not getting my thread allerts in my gmail like I'm suposed to. I just found this by skimming the forum. :(

The next two weeks are going to be fing cool.

Couple better pics...7 weeks today. :)

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Fantastic. Those are such pretty plants. The bud in that last pic looks like it is going to be chronic. I staked mine last night as they were falling all over the place. It's another drawback of growing them so tall is that you have to handle the plants a lot more, and that rubs off a lot of trichomes. But I had colas that were bending their stalks until they were almost upside down. I see that your fan leaves are starting to yellow. Mine haven't yet, so I'm thinking I might be a bit further behind than I thought. Remind me what temp t5s you are using.

Thanks chromophore, they are cool little plants. :) The "arms" are getting heavy, but because it's so short I haven't had to stake them. The Temps of the bulbs are (2) 4 foot 6500's and (4) 4 foot 2700's. The sidelight is (2) 6500K 2 foot 2 bulb. The yellowing occurred very early in flower with the T5's, (see my prior panic in this thread) but the HPS
girls just recently started with the same 12/12 date. Looks like I may have some "Milky" trichomes right now, (click on pics twice to enlarge) but a way's to go yet.
I'm hoping I'm done in a week, but I won't cut early. :thumbsup:
Just ordered a GREAT B-day present my better half, a Volcano vaporizer!! Sorry...not really relevant, but I'm excited about that. ;)
Have you got recent pics up Chromo?

I put up some bud pics last night but I'll put up more tonight once I have them staked. It's tough to get the whole grow room in the shot because they've swarmed in all directions. The patient I'm growing for uses a heat gun to vaporize, and personally I think she wastes a lot of medicine that way. She save the leftovers and I have sampled some and they are still quite potent, so she's only getting a fraction of the medicine off of them that way. I have heard very good things about the Volcano.

So the 150W HPS Versus is over as far as I'm concerned. I just ordered another T5HO fixture for that end of my cabinet. I am very satisfied with what my stumpies have done under the T5's and it is the best fit for me and my space. The buds are tight and heavy, no "airy" issues here. I suspect people who have those issues just don't have enough Watt's, I sure don't have that issue. :jointsmile:
It would appear the HPS buds have a a bit more Trichomes turning milky before the T5 one's. Interesting, but the size of the bud's is a "no contest" to the T5's.
I will keep them separate after harvest, more concerned on the quality than the quantity and want to see if there is any perceivable difference.....That will be a rough "study".
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I will get some (better) pics up before I wack 'em. Hopefully they will be done soon, I need their space! :)

Volcanoes- you guys will be walking around the house and yard with big bags of smoke! And lovin it!

Add more red spectrum. This is good timing, when they've finished plumping & started ripening. Too soon & the buds are looser. :)

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Originally Posted by catbuds

Add more red spectrum. This is good timing, when they've finished plumping & started ripening. Too soon & the buds are looser. :)

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I can do that! I can pull the (2) 6500k bulbs in my (6) bulb fixture and add (2) more 2700's easy enough. All red....will do tonight when they wakeup.
Should I shutoff the 2 foot 2 bulb T5 sidelight too? Both bulbs are 6500, I don't have any 2700's for that fixture...:(
Thanks mama. :jointsmile:

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Add more red spectrum. This is good timing, when they've finished plumping & started ripening. Too soon & the buds are looser.

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hmmm...I'm thinking maybe I should pop some red bulbs in my T5 rack I have in the flower room. I'm 50/50 red/blue at the moment. OMB and I are roughly at the same stage, so... Sorry, just thinking out loud. OMB I am definitely going to re-configure my flower room to be a combination HPS and T5. I can easily do it to give me just over 1000w total with the HPS directly overhead and the T5s angled in around the perimeter.

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Originally Posted by Chromophore

hmmm...I'm thinking maybe I should pop some red bulbs in my T5 rack I have in the flower room. I'm 50/50 red/blue at the moment. OMB and I are roughly at the same stage, so... Sorry, just thinking out loud. OMB I am definitely going to re-configure my flower room to be a combination HPS and T5. I can easily do it to give me just over 1000w total with the HPS directly overhead and the T5s angled in around the perimeter.

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I don't think you will be disappointed Chromo. I do think the combination of the two could be a winner. I feel in my case it was just not enough watts with the little HPS to be a fair comparison. I just can't deal with the heat from more wattage so the little HPS is done.
They do look just a little different though, just enough to make me ponder....

The T5's are seriously underestimated little gems! ;)

OMB this is a bit off topic but we keep coming back to this...of my 5 recent clones, only 1 survived. I threw out 4 of them today. The leaves showed some damping off so I pulled them out of the rockwool and the stems were soft and grey:( I think the place I had them was too cold. Also I didn't position a node properly so that it was down in the wool. Anyway, the point being that I'm going to take new ones today and I'm going to try your twig method. But while I'm on this topic, I'm curious what you and everyone else thinks about taking clones off of a flowering plant. Have you done it? Is there a trick to getting it to work?

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Originally Posted by Chromophore

I'm curious what you and everyone else thinks about taking clones off of a flowering plant.

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It's very difficult.

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OMB this is a bit off topic but we keep coming back to this...of my 5 recent clones, only 1 survived. I threw out 4 of them today. The leaves showed some damping off so I pulled them out of the rockwool and the stems were soft and grey:( I think the place I had them was too cold. Also I didn't position a node properly so that it was down in the wool. Anyway, the point being that I'm going to take new ones today and I'm going to try your twig method. But while I'm on this topic, I'm curious what you and everyone else thinks about taking clones off of a flowering plant. Have you done it? Is there a trick to getting it to work?

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You can do it Chromophore. The original Mother of my plants was cloned 4 weeks into Veg. The individual cuts were done like any other, but each one was bagged/domed individually. Took 3 "twig" cuts and all (eventually) rooted and returned to veg. The Mama plant I have is one of those 3. The rooting period was long though, like 3 weeks.
I believe they were hardy enough to root and turn due to the location of the cuttings. Note These were in soil though,and just kept moist with misting.

I think I know what you have in mind and that one is pretty far along, but give it a shot! Not much to lose and experimenting is good. :thumbsup:

Thanks OMB, I'm going to give it a try. I read some old threads here regarding this topic and it sounds like it can work, but often the time required to return to veg is quite long. As I'm at week 7, that's really pushing it. I've got a lot of small twiggy buds low in the canopy of that plant. I'm thinking maybe I should clip off the buds themselves and just leave the crown and a fan leaf or two. I'll experiment.

Kinda off topic, but I just like growing stuff! It started when I was just a kid. Alway's had my own little vegetable patch, then it faded as I got older....You know, girls, baseball, etc.
I'm glad I did this....It makes me feel good watching my plants and fussing over them, I love the whole process, I dare say it makes me happy. :D
I think the whole grow thing is therapeutic for some people,(me for example) as I find it calming. I'm a high strung kinda guy, so anything that takes me down a notch is good! ;)
I do tend to get overly focused on whatever my current interest is though.....Hmmmm, might need to medicate for that. :jointsmile:
I'm glad I hung with this forum....a little "touch and go" at first, but some great people here and I'm glad to be a part of it. So happy growing all!....enjoy the trip, getting there is half the fun.

ditto.

Cloning from a flowering plant can be very slow & not always successful. Doesn't mean it can't be worth your time. Sometimes you just don't have a choice if you have something you want to perpetuate but didn't know that untill she flowered. This is a case where you'll want humidomes for sure. Misting & checking often. Carefull of excess moisture though, misting while the dome is off & replacing it after the moisture has evaporated. I like doing it this way because it ensures she gets several good air exchanges a day. I wasn't satisfied with the regular spray bottles, so what I ended up with is a 'misty mate' personal mister. Its a much finer mist than you can get with a spray bottle, its more like fog. No water droplets at all. I mist around my space heaters when it gets uncomfortably dry in here too. Its a tiny pump up compression sprayer with a fog nozzle. Sometimes I even use it for its intended purpose! Ha! Don't foliar feed with one though, they WILL clog, can't unclog them so they're shot. But houses get DRY when the heat comes on & only cacti like that shit. My rule of thumb (or maybe nose). If the air is dry enough to make my nose bleed, its PAST time to mist the plants! So play around with cloning guys. Just remember, slow & not always successful from a mom in flower, and... if your heat is on for the winter, know that the air is DRYYYYY.... :)

Hmmmm....I am slightly concerned. Sugar leaves on the T5 buds turning purple on the edges and stiffening, or dying. The Trichomes along the tips and edges appear to be dying as well.
They kind of turn black along the edges. Some milky Trichomes on most buds...or what appears to me to be milky, but I was going to give them until next weekend.
Uh oh...normal?


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Not a bag thing at all. They can turn a rainbow of colors. It indicates stored energies being used up. Exhausting certain nutes will change certain colors. (In your case, I believe phosphorus) they're doing their job, supplying nutes to the buds for the final finale. That also tells you the stored nutes are being used up so you don't taste them in your smoke!
-- I've read Pappapain's alert on my gmail, but haven't clicked onto his post yet. If you haven't been there yet, GO! Awesome pics, awesome grow, & his girls are turning purple. I'm getting ready to click over & have a look myself. (Soldiers co-op grow). ;)

Your getting there!!

Hmmm.....maybe I'm not understanding how "milky" they should be to be done? If they are just "Opaque", is that milky?? If they aren't clear anymore?
...or are we talking "Milk" color? Maybe the stiffing of the sugar leaf edges and the dying of those Trichs is telling me they are done?
Hmmm....going to take a good look tonight, I hope they are done....it's getting crowded in there.

Under the microscope the trichomes appeared less "cloudy" than when I looked at them with a hand-held loupe under the growlights, so this could be tricky. My grower-friend who was over a few days ago said it's hard to get all the buds to have the same degree of maturation, so you have to go on an individual basis. He said his rule of thumb was to pick when the bud had mostly cloudy trichomes, with an equal amount of both clear and amber/black. But Rosenthal says it's a bit of a user preference because you're really selecting for THC vs CDBs, with the latter being present in the cloudies, the former enriched in the clears.

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Under the microscope the trichomes appeared less "cloudy" than when I looked at them with a hand-held loupe under the growlights, so this could be tricky. My grower-friend who was over a few days ago said it's hard to get all the buds to have the same degree of maturation, so you have to go on an individual basis. He said his rule of thumb was to pick when the bud had mostly cloudy trichomes, with an equal amount of both clear and amber/black. But Rosenthal says it's a bit of a user preference because you're really selecting for THC vs CDBs, with the latter being present in the cloudies, the former enriched in the clears.

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Thanks chromophore....getting a little nervous about the sugar leaf issue. I'm using a handheld jeweler's Loupe, I think it's 30X, I'd have to see if it's marked. I'm more concerned with THC, I'd like a couch lock affect if possible. Relaxation is key to me, I am just too high strung my friend.
Well, I will have a good look tonight, but we have to be close at this point. Water uptake is down and chlorosis is rampant. Not many Fans left anymore, and the smell?...Heavenly.
I snuck a little branch the other day and dried it. The taste was incredible and the effect at 7 weeks was admirable.
Wed is 8 weeks, I will report back late tonight.
Thanks Chromo!

But to answer your question I believe "cloudy" is a better description rather than "milky" at least from what I've seen. "Translucent" would maybe be better. They're not solid white, just not water-clear. Like they're filled with vaseline. Hmm, that's kind of unpleasant. But I can't think of a better example at the moment.;)

I think for couch-lock you want CDBs, but we need one of the old-timers to clarify this.

Say Goodnight Gracie....the HPS plants are going down. :jointsmile:

Couple quick pics. Took a very good look under two different lights with 30x doubled, they are done....and their place has already been taken.
The HPS Girls will be a bit longer, so Mama plant get's a short reprieve. She will get her own Light, she is a big bitch! :smokin:

Trying something different on the next one's, I only topped one of them. I'm going to just let them go,(if I can stand it) without tying them open like the pictured one's were.
What the hell, half the fun is the experimenting. :)



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Those are some nice! ladies. Congrats on a fine job!

A+ if they smoke like they look.:smokin:

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Those are some nice! ladies. Congrats on a fine job!

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Thanks ranger!...and I hope they smoke like they look Chromo. :) They are "in the dark" for 72 hrs before I wack 'em. I read somewhere that was a good idea, why not try it?
Round 2 is in the bag, round 3 started the roll. :jointsmile:

Know it's late this time, but your hooked now!! When I think a plant is ready,I give it another week, and sometimes another.