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Originally Posted by tlranger
Might stop feeding and babying them for a while, now. Like you said, it's a natural process
Personally,although i do grow organic with no chemicals, but I feed compost tea up till the last week or two. While yea, don't stress if u get the yellow fade and its a good indicator the plant is nearing the end, but I don't care to make the plant want nutes and not have them. The science behind the fade is the plant is making every last ditch effort to get pollinated. so it pulls all available nutes from soil/and then from the plant. Nice healthy plants make nice healthy dense buds is the bottom line.
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Might stop feeding and babying them for a while, now. Like you said, it's a natural process
I haven't fed them for 10 days now. That's why I'm surprised they're still so green. Just based on what others have said I expected them to start showing signs of deficiency. As I have never grown before, I'm simply following what most here have advised which is to stop feeding a couple of weeks before harvest. The reasons for this still puzzle me a bit, but I'm trusting the other more experienced growers.
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Personally,although i do grow organic with no chemicals, but I feed compost tea up till the last week or two. While yea, don't stress if u get the yellow fade and its a good indicator the plant is nearing the end, but I don't care to make the plant want nutes and not have them. The science behind the fade is the plant is making every last ditch effort to get pollinated. so it pulls all available nutes from soil/and then from the plant. Nice healthy plants make nice healthy dense buds is the bottom line.
This makes sense to me, and I've never been comfortable with this notion of starving the plant during flower. I understand that many believe the nutes adversely affect flavor, but I've come across others who say this is rubbish. I've gone ahead with this protocol because many experienced growers have advised me to do it. next time around I'm going to do a sided by side comparison of feed vs no feed on two identical plants and see what the real difference is or isn't in the final product.
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It's interesting to note the type of lighting appears to have an affect on the chlorosis process. My T5 plants yellowed early, the HPS one's didn't until 6+ weeks in.
Same strain, same age, same nutes....but WAY earlier for the T5's.
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that also is common sense to think about. Leaves are solar panels basically...the more light they get the more energy the get thus the more energy they have to function.
One other reason many people stop nutes way to early to is because they are running synthetic nutes/chemical nutes which leave a nasty taste in the plant which they have to flush that out. IDK if you can tell from my tone, but I much prefer organics. I used to use the typical hydro line up shoved down the cannabis community and spent hundreds per cycle on snake oils and bud hardeners and flavor enhancers and overdrive all that shit, and after switching to super soil and compost tea and I will never go back. The smell and taste and health of the plant cannot even be compared. Most strains respond VERY well to organics, and once you get it figured out, is very sustainable especially if you have a back yard to compost in. Yo do have to change your understanding of how things work if you want to special tailor your supersoil. I started out using TGAs super soil recipe, and have gradually changed things to make it work better for me.
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Ah, yes I remember catbuds telling me the same thing. I used Foxfarm nutes exclusively. I'm not clear on whether these fall into the "synthetic" or "organic" classification, though most people seem to consider them organic. I'm still feeding my flowering plants molasses, and that does supply Iron and Magnesium in addition to the sugars. Catbuds told me that with the Foxfarm nutes flushing really wasn't necessary but that I should gradually cut back on all the added fertilizers as harvest time approaches.
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Papapayne next time around I want to work on making my own soil. I'll undoubtedly be peppering you with questions.
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Originally Posted by Chromophore
This makes sense to me, and I've never been comfortable with this notion of starving the plant during flower. I understand that many believe the nutes adversely affect flavor, but I've come across others who say this is rubbish. I've gone ahead with this protocol because many experienced growers have advised me to do it. next time around I'm going to do a sided by side comparison of feed vs no feed on two identical plants and see what the real difference is or isn't in the final product.
I can tell you hands down with a certainty chemical nutes vs organic living soil fed compost tea MAJORLY changes the taste and flavor and smell. If you look at the top growers hitting 25+ % thc and the legit growers making medicine (read: Not a commerical grow with profit being the bottom line) the majority of them are using super soil and feeding compost tea. Most the clubs wont ever put hydro grown bud as the true "top shelf" bud. Don't get me wrong, you can and people do grow great knockout fire bud hydro and with synthetics and when flushed right it tastes good.
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So, do you consider the Foxfarm nutes to be synthetic? I used them only during flower, and at half strength.
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Just. :twocents: but if their green and growing good I don't believe your starving them. Some take longer than others.
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ranger that makes sense. One reason cutting nutes at the end makes a kind of sense to me is that the plant is essentially dying anyway. It's trying desperately to reproduce before it's ghost is given up. So cutting nutes may accelerate that process, and in doing so increase trichome production as the desperation intensifies. Just a thought.
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Originally Posted by Chromophore
Papapayne next time around I want to work on making my own soil. I'll undoubtedly be peppering you with questions.
To be honest, you should start making the soil now. Organic soil needs a little bit longer to break down and "cook". A MUST READ is TGA subcools guide to super soil. He has it in hightimes and all over the internet. Its the definitive hands down best soil to make for beginners and is very clear and concise. If you cant find it I can get you a link. And I am happy to answer any questions :)
Foxfarms is mostly a chemical type nute especially all the extra additives that their line up they has. Its a great product though and is used with great success by many growers. With organic living soil you feed the soil biology not the plant. That's the main difference, at least to me. So like I make 2 batches of compost tea a week. one for flower and one for both veg and flower. Both batches get earthworm castings, molasses, catalyst by earth juice, and depending on which batch making, either fossilized bat or fruit bat guano, and either fish meal or kelp meal this is then aerated 48 hours with water pumps. It costs about 40 bucks to get the bucket and pumps and like 100-150 bucks to get the supplies to actually make compost tea, but that same 150 bucks invested has lasted me 3 flower cycles (big plant counts to, each plant gets a gallon of tea and 9 months worth of veg time now.
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Great info. Thanks Papapayne.
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Originally Posted by Chromophore
ranger that makes sense. One reason cutting nutes at the end makes a kind of sense to me is that the plant is essentially dying anyway. It's trying desperately to reproduce before it's ghost is given up. So cutting nutes may accelerate that process, and in doing so increase trichome production as the desperation intensifies. Just a thought.
One might also say imagine the production it would have done if it had all the available resources. part of it honestly is know the strain your running and know how to read plants. Usually it takes a good 2 runs of the same cutting before you really know the plant well and can push it to the max. One thing I have done and do usually that IDK if its a myth or not, I have heard it for ages as I am sure you have to, but at the VERY end of the cycle, I leave the lights off for 3 days before I chop and stop watering those last days as well. The claim is 3 days of darkness is just the right amount of shock at the end to get the "dying push" so to speak. Also if you dont water before u chop less likely to mold when drying.
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9 months in Veg?! Damn....You are a patient man. Really nice plants papayne, I think we are all thinking the same thing. :jawdropper:
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[quote=papapayne]that also is common sense to think about. Leaves are solar panels basically...the more light they get the more energy the get thus the more energy they have to function. QUOTE]
That's the part I don't get....if the Leaf gets more light, it gets more energy. If it get's more energy, there should be less drain. If their is less drain, the Leaf should stay green longer.
(in my mind anyway). So if I have 372 watts of T5, and 150 watts of HPS, the HPS by reason should Yellow first.
Damn my questioning mind.......are they done yet? :jointsmile:
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Originally Posted by Chromophore
ranger that makes sense. One reason cutting nutes at the end makes a kind of sense to me is that the plant is essentially dying anyway. It's trying desperately to reproduce before it's ghost is given up. So cutting nutes may accelerate that process, and in doing so increase trichome production as the desperation intensifies. Just a thought.
Hold that thought. :)
Might be worth trying in a side by side experiment, yah?
Then we all know more.
Aloha,
Weeze
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That's the part I don't get....if the Leaf gets more light, it gets more energy. If it get's more energy, there should be less drain. If their is less drain, the Leaf should stay green longer.
(in my mind anyway). So if I have 372 watts of T5, and 150 watts of HPS, the HPS by reason should Yellow first.
Damn my questioning mind.......are they done yet? :jointsmile:
You may have answered your own question. The one receiving more light, thus more energy may simply be developing faster. It reached a natural part of the flowering cycle before the HPS plants.
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Thanks chromo, makes perfect sense.
Sometimes I can't see the forest for the Tree's...
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Originally Posted by OMB
9 months in Veg?! Damn....You are a patient man. Really nice plants papayne, I think we are all thinking the same thing. :jawdropper:
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lol no no not the same plants for 9 months, just been using the same group of compost tea materials for 9 months. I still have 1/2 the bag of earth worm castings and maybe 1/4 each of bat shit. The catalyst and molasses go quicker, but those are cheap to buy.
but yea, growing does take patience. And honestly, patience isnt one of my virtues. My first few harvest I chopped early, dried to quick, jared to quick, and ended up with the usual blackmarket shit I see on the street, not cured right, little to wet, not quite chronic, smelling of pine and hay. Now I wait till i think they are done and add another 2 weeks and when drying, when I think its dry I give it 2 more days etc. Takes longer but anyone that gets meds from me always comes back begging to get into the collective lol.
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Originally Posted by Chromophore
You may have answered your own question. The one receiving more light, thus more energy may simply be developing faster. It reached a natural part of the flowering cycle before the HPS plants.
and one last thing to considering...your comparing the wrong thing. Watts is a unit of energy used. The real question is which has more lumens in the correct range...do you know which has more lumens the hps or your t5s?
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Originally Posted by Chromophore
You may have answered your own question. The one receiving more light, thus more energy may simply be developing faster. It reached a natural part of the flowering cycle before the HPS plants.
for sure this is part of it. Low light conditions do make it take longer for bud production and maturity
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Originally Posted by papapayne
and one last thing to considering...your comparing the wrong thing. Watts is a unit of energy used. The real question is which has more lumens in the correct range...do you know which has more lumens the hps or your t5s?
That's right.
You have to factor conversion efficiency with Watts.
And for plants, it's best to use PAR for comparing grow lamps.
"Lumens are for you, and me.
They don't mean shit to a tree". --Wee :)
Way to grow Papa.
You have skills.
Aloha,
Weeze
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thanks man. Its honestly just a lot of reading. I spent (D) untold hours researching strains, growth methods, training techniques, looking at other peoples grows, trying things out for myself, etc. I have composted hundreds of plants in my time. Hell, I chopped down some 8 foot plants before after discovering how much mold liked that phenotype. I am hardly a softie, but I tell you what, taking an ax to some massive marijuana bush made me a bit sad. If ya'll could see my first grow lol. I started with CFLS in a jenky plywood box I make under my iguana cage in a 350 square foot apartment with 3 people living in it lol.
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Originally Posted by Chromophore
It's trying desperately to reproduce before it's ghost is given up. So cutting nutes may accelerate that process, and in doing so increase trichome
Another two cents, what don't kill you, makes you stronger. I believe I've seen this.
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Originally Posted by papapayne
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lol no no not the same plants for 9 months
Had to do some quick mental math, not my strongest suit, but from seed going to say that some of the northern cali(Humboldt) grow went 8-81/2 months. Nice big plants.
Probably my favorite was an Australian plant(high times), planted by vent of gas dryer, 12months, and the bitch hid the house.
But serious man, you getting 150# out of three carports, is really excellent.
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That's right.
You have to factor conversion efficiency with Watts.
And for plants, it's best to use PAR for comparing grow lamps.
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Yea most the big guys have plants going now for outdoor. I started 100 seeds and have about 30 2 footer moms for the greenhouses. I am planning on 96 plants total, 36 in greenhouse and the rest outside.
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Originally Posted by papapayne
Yea most the big guys have plants going now for outdoor. I started 100 seeds and have about 30 2 footer moms for the greenhouses. I am planning on 96 plants total, 36 in greenhouse and the rest outside.
Beautiful to read!!! I love this thread!!!!
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Thanks for the love,
Keep it green, stay free stay high
papa
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If I were any bit an engineer, which I am not, I would devise a cheap PAR meter. I know enough about how they work to know that the prices for them are absurd. Every grower should have one, and if I could build them, I'd give them away.
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Is the 96 for the feds or for the state?
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Hey guys, Heres a quick video for you all, hope you enjoy. I am still fighting the tail end of the flu and still have a runny nose/cough so bear with my crackly voice and sniffles. day is day 28 of flowering.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOyfJ...ature=youtu.be
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Originally Posted by tlranger
Is the 96 for the feds or for the state?
The 96 will make me both state legal and under the feds 5 year mins.
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All around here try and stay below that fed. Number. They are still around here, big time.
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Couple of those looked nice and frosty, at a young tender age, I like'em like that.
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