Same stuff on the wings? Like a membrane?Quote:
Originally Posted by canniwhatsis
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Same stuff on the wings? Like a membrane?Quote:
Originally Posted by canniwhatsis
No, the covering is called Ultracote, it's a plastic film with a heat activated adhesive. The film also shrinks and tightens when heated, (Surprisingly enough, the skin of the plane is nearly 50% of the actual strength/structure! :eek: )Quote:
Originally Posted by GaGrown
Blenderm is literally a tape we use at the field to fix scrapes and tears in the covering when needed! ;)
Blenderm Tape by 3M
Ahh.... I got the same stuff in the first aid kit. Sticks to water! Good stuff....:thumbsup: Esspecially in my trade.. I gets cut allllll the time.:D
Gonna try my hand at grafting so I'll have one mama plant with 3-4 strains.. Instead of that many mama plants.
For sure the 50% is it's strength.. The tighter the skin is, makes it more areodynamic,too right? I got a buddy that has a copter. Thing is huge..:apachecopter:
I think it's a cool ass hobby! Expensive though.... What hobby ain't?
Yep, wrinkles are NOT aerodynamic! ;) My planes are all so beat up that it doesn't much matter anyway. And with a 2:1 power to weight ratio they don't have to fly on the wings ;) (Tossed in a pic of one of my planes after a mid air collision, YES it is pretty much missing 1/2 the wing and still flying! :D )
Back on topic, I actually DID get some grafting wax. Went to 2 hydro stores and they looked at me like I was nuts! :wtf:
Found it at one of the nursery's tho, so I'm gonna give it a swing later this week I think. ;)
The White widow graft is a bit wilty, but isn't totally dead, so it stands a slim chance. :hippy:
That's an awesome shot! Your gonna get me all keyed up with this RC shit my Wife is gonna take my Credit card.. She said I don't need another hobby...:DQuote:
Originally Posted by canniwhatsis
I thought you might find it at one of the commercial nurseries.. I ain't never seen such as that stuff in a hydro or grow shop. Not a common product and temps are an issue with the wax. I'm gonna try it,too.. But,I'm gonna use the first aid kit.. Literally!!
Hobby Town,Here I come!!;)
LOL! Yeah,... now that I've got my grow pretty much nailed down I'm getting back into the RC's,.... wife is :mad:
I've got that hit on video, If I can find that link to you on Youtube I'll hit you up a link over there. ;)
I'd think the blenderm tape should work nicely for grafting.... Might try it as well as the wax,... I've got a couple more strains I need to get on my Grafto when the WW heals up.
Getting ready to start my own grafting fun. I picked this up the other day:
Plant Seal
I haven't used it yet so I can't vouch for its effectiveness.
Feel free to post up your technique and results here! :hippy:
I started this thread as an educational resource and to document my own bumbling with this! :D :o :o :D :hippy:
Yeah, I am very careful about what I post... but I'll certainly chime in if I learn anything that could be useful.
Hell use it on a citrus tree! ;) I'm still curious! :D
I'm actually thinking of grafting some of my peppers, just to see what happens. :hippy:
Oh Hell ! As hardy as a pepper plant is..... Awta work fast..:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by canniwhatsis
Saw the other thread, best of luck in your future ventures my friend! :thumbsup:
As for the grafting thing, I've noticed some growth on the white widow graft, pulled the bag off a couple day's ago, and it wilted in an hour! :( Should have known better, that was WAY too fast!!!!! ;)
I misted with water and put the bag back on and it's happy once again! There's definitely growth going on, but I think I'll wait a few more days before hardening it off. :hippy:
CANNI sweet fucking thread! i have been wondering about grafting more then one plant on a host plant. That AK-47 bud you harvested back on page 3 or 4 was Massively Dank!! The sweet wonders of our fruits always pay off. Now are you gonna flower those host plants with the clones on them? i skimmed through pages 4-6 so i might of missed if you were gonna flower the host plants. nice pic tutorial on the grafting. Might Give it a try in the near future!
I'm planning on trying to get a graft on a plant that's gonna go to flower yes,.... but the one I've been working in this thread is just gonna be a mom ;)
And after 2 day's without the humidity bag the White Widow is a success! :D :clap:
I pulled the tape off, painters tape is a LOT easier to remove ;) But the wound looked like it was still a bit open,... so I coated it with grafting wax and haven't seen any ill effect.
The wax is interesting,..... not quite solid, not liquid or putty by any means either, kinda like solidified honey?:wtf: Next time I'll use my heat gun to warm some into a more liquid form before spreading it. (Fancy adjustable SnapOn one! :D,... It'll go so low as to dry your hair, or so hot as to actually set wood on fire simply from the heat! (1000* nozzle temp) :eek:
I've got some SERIOUS Bonsai training to do with her! Which is gonna be difficult to say the least, many of the stalks are getting very woody, and getting new growth nodes to where I want/need them to be is gonna be a twisty mess of stems.
But I want to put her on the back wall of my vege area, and train the different strains out along the wall if possible.
Sorry for the chitty cell phone pics, wife hid the camera after the last time I shot bud porn and got resin on the lens :o
Pic 1: All of her
Pic 2: New addition to the family! :D
Pic 3: Here's my ID idea ;) everything above the node the ID is at is whatever strain the ID say's.
P.S. I partially split the Durban stalk trying to train it to the side, so it's lashed together and waxed up to seal the wound,.... none of the new growth seemed to even notice it! :hippy: (happened 4 day's ago) I'll have to figure out a way to support the stem lower in order to train the top the way I want to. ;)
This should be a sticky. I'm sending in a recommendation...
You should tell your wife to stop hiding the camera, or you're going to start hiding the buds. :p
P.S. Congratulations on the sticky. :thumbsup:
Great job on the grafting. Told ya that grafting wax is the shit.
Holly crap, I started a sticky worthy thread! :eek:
I"m such a hack :o Thanks for the props tho guys! :D
I'm gonna try and get some work done on grafting to a plant that will actually go to flower,..... I've tried and tried and tried,..... all failed :( Ohh well, I'll try again! ;)
what uppers always enjoy your posts man, im more of a "lurker" when I don't have anything to contribute, but wanted to say thanks for all the good reads bro.
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Originally Posted by canniwhatsis
Hey congrats Canni on the Sticky bro:thumbsup:its going to be useful to a bunch of people man, thanks for getting it started bro:jointsmile:
:rasta:
Canna,
Check this out... I'm gonna take one of my revegged Big Bud and do just what you did by accident.. Gonna cut right down through the middle of the rootball and transplant.. They both will have a root system..
Glad your still around Ga! :thumbsup:
If it weren't for lashing my branch back up, I'd have lost that grafted node. it was going to split completely away from the main stalk, (No roots! :( )
cant wait to try this out. Good read for anyone in a medical state
Thanks for this thread. I've often wondered if grafting cannabis was a viable propagation technique and what the genetic implications might be. Rock on and I'll be following this one closely! :)
Very cool thread! Wow this really gives me a thought that perhaps this method could be used to place an 'indica' on a stock 'sativa' frame and end up with one heck of a great guerilla plant. You could have that great big sativa root mass and a top that wouldn't be as likely to overtax it. Wouldn't it be less likely to have water stress? Yo Ben, looks like LEDs to me too, bet your right. But again, kudos for the great thread, I learned a lot, thanks. CannaWhat- way cool
so in theory i could "build up" a massive root ball and use it more than once by grafting a whole stalk (if i could figure out how to get a whole stalk to stay in place of course)?
^ment to sound like a question...is this possible, has any one tried?
I think canna would tell you that was a bad idea. He seems to be grafting with the more tender portions of the plant versus the woodier parts. To much can go wrong with that application. Through all the posts in this sticky. I've learned that airlyering plays a big part in understanding the grafting process. For me anyway..
Ga.
Grafting how really cool, I can see the benfits of having a 'Mother of Many Colors', the benfits of having multiple varieties with the ease of care of a single plant, perfect! BTW in our county, if your mother has even a single bud, it mature and counts against your maximum, ergo better to have a single 'mom' But this bring a new idea to mind. Could't one of you more experienced grafting geni put a nice little Indica onto a big Sativa root mass and produce a clone that could probably survive out in nature alone like a guerilla. I would bet there would be some interest in such a clone/graftling/hybrid like this, I know I have.
Ga grown, didn't mean wait till the mass was big, just graft the plants earily on, in the veg state and wait to see if the sativa rootmass becomes as big as ususal or if it respondes to only meet the demand put on it by the normally smaller indica variety, still the results could facinate.
Wow,... haven't hit this site in a LONG time!!!! and tonight was just looking for pics!
Grafting is certainly a worthy experiment, and I'm continuing to do so, just not so active on this site :icon401:
@ Randomking;
If you can get a woody graft to take on cannabis more power to ya brother!!!!! Please post your methods and success story as often as you can so I don't miss it on any site I might be on!:clap::hippy:
In all reality, how ever large of clone you can get to root,... you should be able to graft to an appropriate host using appropriate methods
However,...
That being said, I've had much reduced luck cloning larger cuttings with woddy stalks, (tho it's not impossible, the success rate is reduced greatly)
Still don't like the new smiley list on this site! :toilet_claw:
If your grafting an indica scion to a Sativa root mass that still has the sativa host growing. Well, I've never gotten it done, but others have,.... so far I can't read much into any success with increasing anything, tho I'm following another thread closely on another site where a grower is doing a 10x experiment with grafting that should prove interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by williboy
Yeah, I'm doing good, but I'm no guru for sure! :twocents:
Hey Canniwhatsis, I was looking at your grow albums. I commented on the 2nd picture in your first album. Nice looking shrubs! Hope all is well with you. I still love the grafting project. I am about to do a reveg which I'll also give over to grafting. I'll let you know how it goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by canniwhatsis
Canna , what are you utilisng for cloning? If you haven't already tried it then perhaps you might want to try Dip-n-Grow or the Woods Rooting compound , much better success with larger woodier cuttings. I've cloned many a fruit tree cutting etc using the 10 to 1 dilution , use 20-1 for these , if extraordinarily woody try 15 to 1. A 2 oz bottle of Dip-n-Gro is good for roughly 2k cuttings at 20 to 1 , though reality is with waste factors it's more like half that , still they are the most economical and best performing on the market , and I've tried 'em all.
Drop me a p.m. if you would be so kind as to where there's a good ongoing grafting discussion. I'm about to attempt it with cannabis , been doing it for quite some time with fruit trees. Kudos to you and highly informative.
Interesting thread . I want to know more about this in future. Thanks for posting...
Hey, sorry to reply to such an old thread, but I had some thoughts on grafts with woody stems and the potential effects of grafting a small shrubby indica onto a heavy root producing sativa.
I imagine the most foolproof method of grafting woody stems would be another bonsai technique I've seen a lot of success with. It's called approach grafting, and it's only slightly more technical than the way that trees graft themselves in nature. Basically the way it works is take two rooted plants, shave some bark off the stems where you want them to graft, and then tie the wounded stems together. This way your scion is getting everything it needs from its own root system, and like air layering vs. cloning, it should have a pretty high success rate. here's a link: http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/p.../approach.html
after the graft takes, you can then remove the top of the rootstock and the roots of the scion... or just have a double rooted, double topped plant, if that's what your going for.
As far as the idea of an indica on sativa rootstock, I get the feeling that the indica top might grow faster and more vigorous. One of the primary reasons that fruit trees are grafted at the base is to use the roots of a tree that's been bred to stay small. This restricts the growth of the scion and usually keeps them small and manageable. Apple trees grown from seed can get 50+ feet tall, but when you graft one to a dwarfing rootstock they top out at maybe 30 feet in 15-20 years.
Now I'm not sure that this would work the other way. The indica might just grow at its normal rate and you could end up with a weird, bulgy graft union.
Anyway, I'd love to see an update to this thread if any more work has been done, and I'd be really curious how flowering would go with a grafted plant.
Thanks for reading, and keep up the innovative work!