Two Trainwreck's 400w HPS, LST, Closet Grow

Thanks for stopping in again, 420! Final yield and smoke reports should be coming this weekend...

gotta go and see what you have been up to lately :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by jlve187

Did you top your first grow or these 2 when you LST???? I have grown once indoors and once outdoors but never topped and never LST'D...I got some good money seeds and i have grown up and i been researching....I love your daughters hope mine look like that...I germinated and put few of my seeds in some soil on may 5th they are still babies but i wanted to know about the Lst please get back to me when you can it would be great Thanks man!!!:thumbsup:

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jlve- Welcome and thank you for the kind words!

No, I have not "topped" any of my plants.... at least in the way I understand topping, which is to cut off the top growth. I don't really see the point of irreversibly damaging the plant... However, it's said that topping is a must with some strains, but I don't really know why they wouldn't LST instead. It might be because topping is simple: one snip, and you are done. Great if you have a lot of plants. But, in my case, I had plenty of time to train the girls with both the lst and scrog. It's said that the plant needs 2 weeks to recover from topping, while mine would always start growing for the light again only a few hours after LST.

In pic 4 (post #32), you can however see that I took off everything underneath the canopy. The theory was to get rid of bud sites that would not fully develop, so the plant could use more energy toward the top. I also removed the leaves in the hopes to get more airflow around the plants. The leaves were pretty much just stacked one on top of the other under the screen... not getting light and restricting airflow. Not really sure, though, how easily a plant can choke itself in SCROG, so I might skip the trimming next time and see what happens.

I wouldn't hesitate to LST... even if they are expensive seeds. Pretty hard to screw it up... even if you snap the main stem, you can just give it some support, and it will repair itself in time.

Hope this helps! Feel free to ask if you still have questions, and I will do my best to answer them for you :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by bigtopsfinn

Thanks for stopping in again, 420! Final yield and smoke reports should be coming this weekend...

gotta go and see what you have been up to lately :jointsmile:





jlve- Welcome and thank you for the kind words!

No, I have not "topped" any of my plants.... at least in the way I understand topping, which is to cut off the top growth. I don't really see the point of irreversibly damaging the plant... However, it's said that topping is a must with some strains, but I don't really know why they wouldn't LST instead. It might be because topping is simple: one snip, and you are done. Great if you have a lot of plants. But, in my case, I had plenty of time to train the girls with both the lst and scrog. It's said that the plant needs 2 weeks to recover from topping, while mine would always start growing for the light again only a few hours after LST.

In pic 4 (post #32), you can however see that I took off everything underneath the canopy. The theory was to get rid of bud sites that would not fully develop, so the plant could use more energy toward the top. I also removed the leaves in the hopes to get more airflow around the plants. The leaves were pretty much just stacked one on top of the other under the screen... not getting light and restricting airflow. Not really sure, though, how easily a plant can choke itself in SCROG, so I might skip the trimming next time and see what happens.

I wouldn't hesitate to LST... even if they are expensive seeds. Pretty hard to screw it up... even if you snap the main stem, you can just give it some support, and it will repair itself in time.

Hope this helps! Feel free to ask if you still have questions, and I will do my best to answer them for you :thumbsup:

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Hey thanks for getting back to me...I'm not that experiendced in any scrog methods but i am going to try the Lst method.... I have 5 gallon buckets but until they grow more and after a few transplanting then they will be in the 5 gallon buckets...But i was wondering when i should start Lst??? I was told i could start when the plant reached like 3 or 4 nodes... Also when i start do i just tie like the top of the plant and make it like a U shape facing the ground???Get back to me when you can and also ill be looking at your pics to kind of get a better idea of things...Kind of copy you!!:thumbsup:Great log though man!!!

No problem :jointsmile:

I start at about 5 nodes. Then tie nylon string to the plant a node or two from the top and gently bend the main stem so that the top is about parallel to the ground, no more than that. Don't tie it too tight! That first tie may be thicker than your thumb when the plant gets mature.

After a while, the top turns itself upwards towards the light, and the plant will have a slight S shape to it. Once it has grown another node or two, tie it down again. After a couple times, the new growth from the lower nodes will catch up to the top. Then you just continue to tie down the highest growth and try to make the canopy as flat and wide as possible (as long as it fits your space, lighting, etc.)

I transplant 4 times, so each time I have to untie the strings from the buckets. I actually used duct tape this time to attach the string to the bucket and it worked fine, didn't have to drill holes. I'll even cut the old strings so they don't strangle the plant and re-tie them.

In the first link in my sig there are some more explanations of LST in posts #15 and #17. Good luck and let us know how it goes :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by bigtopsfinn

Thanks for stopping in again, 420! Final yield and smoke reports should be coming this weekend...

gotta go and see what you have been up to lately :jointsmile:

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So where's our smoke/vape report bigtopsfinn?! I've never tried Trainwreck so I'm intrigued and anxious...also pretty high right now:D. Well done sir!:hippy:

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Originally Posted by FourTwenty4Life

So where's our smoke/vape report bigtopsfinn?! I've never tried Trainwreck so I'm intrigued and anxious...also pretty high right now:D. Well done sir!:hippy:

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:) Sorry for long wait everyone. Since harvest I have been quite lazy :stoned::stoned::stoned:

So, I just weighed the second batch. 55g. Add that to the first harvest which has about the same, 55-60g. So, I'm guessing my final yield (without me smoking anything) would be around 110g to 120g... which is not bad considering I have 3.5 sq.ft. of growing space. That's more than an ounce per square foot.

I was a little surprised by the yield of the second one... thought it would be much more. You can see the two jars, the one on the left is the new one. Looks like one has much more, but they weigh almost the same. Maybe I should have left it for another week...

I've been burping both of the jars now only once or twice a week. They seem pretty dry and smoke well, and smell great also. Might just leave them like they are now, and wait for the curing to make them even better.


As for the smoke report... well... what can I really say. They have a very sweet and pungent aroma in the jars, which stinks up the room if you open them. The smoke itself also has a little sweetness to it. It's not too harsh either like the last time. The curing really makes the difference. The highs from the two are pretty much the same. It starts to hit you after a couple puffs, and quickly builds up. A lot of times I put out my joint as soon as it starts to come on, because it's really like a trainwreck. The "back" of the high comes a little later. Very relaxing but goes more to the dome than you might think for a strain that GH calls an "indica"

No vape report unfortunately :( I've never been one who spends much money on smoking devices... I actually prefer joints. It does hit nicely out of my friends bong though :jointsmile:

Hey I like those jar pics mmm. I really hope I can get to half the yield your working with. I am not one for patience and the final weeks suck, watching your yummy ladies and trying not to cut them with a knife.... You do very well in your grow space major props!:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by bigtopsfinn

:) Sorry for long wait everyone. Since harvest I have been quite lazy :stoned::stoned::stoned:

So, I just weighed the second batch. 55g. Add that to the first harvest which has about the same, 55-60g. So, I'm guessing my final yield (without me smoking anything) would be around 110g to 120g... which is not bad considering I have 3.5 sq.ft. of growing space. That's more than an ounce per square foot.

I was a little surprised by the yield of the second one... thought it would be much more. You can see the two jars, the one on the left is the new one. Looks like one has much more, but they weigh almost the same. Maybe I should have left it for another week...

I've been burping both of the jars now only once or twice a week. They seem pretty dry and smoke well, and smell great also. Might just leave them like they are now, and wait for the curing to make them even better.


As for the smoke report... well... what can I really say. They have a very sweet and pungent aroma in the jars, which stinks up the room if you open them. The smoke itself also has a little sweetness to it. It's not too harsh either like the last time. The curing really makes the difference. The highs from the two are pretty much the same. It starts to hit you after a couple puffs, and quickly builds up. A lot of times I put out my joint as soon as it starts to come on, because it's really like a trainwreck. The "back" of the high comes a little later. Very relaxing but goes more to the dome than you might think for a strain that GH calls an "indica"

No vape report unfortunately :( I've never been one who spends much money on smoking devices... I actually prefer joints. It does hit nicely out of my friends bong though :jointsmile:

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The final product definitely qualifies as some high grade medical herb!:thumbsup:

If you've never tried a vaporizer man, you're missing out. You can get them pretty cheap and the health benefits alone are reason enough for me to use one. :vap_smiley: I still love rollin' a spliff or tokin' from the bubbler or bong though.

Do you have anything planned for your next grow or are you just going to sit back and enjoy your hard work for now?:jointsmile::stoned:

I'll be harvesting some white dwarfs in a few weeks so be sure to check in! :hippy:

Thanks Frosted and 420! I'll be checking out your logs as they come along :)

Tried a Vape a few times, Vapor Brothers if I remember correctly... definitely good times :jointsmile: Maybe one day... still need to invest some $$$ into my growing projects, especially my next one.

Right now I'm just sitting back and enjoying the harvest. Moving to Amsterdam in a couple months... don't know if I can grow there or not.

Once I start up again, I'm planning on getting a little more space, maybe building a custom 1m x 1m cab. Also looking into getting some regular White Russian seeds, keeping a male, and crossing it with the Trainwreck. Still got 2 seeds left. Should be an interesting project :D

Yo bigtopsfinn,

Thank you for your grow log and great pics. I think yours' is the best LST pics I've seen in a long time, if ever.

Looking forward to your White Russian cross Trainwreck project...hope it won't be too long from now.

And good luck in Amsterdam, what a great place to go and live for awile...
I'm envious.

Hey Oldmac... your welcome and thank you :jointsmile:

Don't know how long it will be till my next project, but I'm already itching to start growing again. Planning and reading in the mean time :thumbsup:

Hey yo Tops looking good man.:thumbsup: I would really enjoy to see how some TWxWR would turn out. I bet that Dutch Pimp would probably like to see that also. But will be w8in to see what you have brewing over there:jointsmile:



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Hey finn i just got done going through ur log. spectacular job by the way:thumbsup: hey if it wouldnt be too much trouble would u mind looking at my new log, its in my signature. my friend gave me some fucked up plants he had under some small flouros and i put them under my 400w hps. they r really stretched out and i tied them over some what, any advice or thoughts on my situation would be wonderful. thanks man:rastasmoke:

Bigtops nice grow just finished it there a good read to prep for my ones, looks like some fine wreck buds :jointsmile:.


Enjoy the amesterdame ill be there myself over the summer on my quarterly visit. thanks for showing us your grow.

yo bigtops just finished readin the thread(very late lol) but just had to say they looked B E A U T I F U L!! very nice yield for the amount of space u had too! good job and enjoy the fruits of your labor!:jointsmile:

Hi mate,

I am looking to do a first time grow. Yours turned out great! Do you have any step by step instructions on what you roughly did by any chance?

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Originally Posted by bsddogg

Hi mate,

I am looking to do a first time grow. Yours turned out great! Do you have any step by step instructions on what you roughly did by any chance?

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Well, I'd say read all of the stickies on this site, and then some :thumbsup: and I'd start with this. If you have any specific questions about my grow, I'd be more than happy to answer them :jointsmile:

Nice grow, How did you get the TW to be that small? You must have top it and FIM and also LST on to the scrog? I am amazed how small you got that sativa strain. Know it was a bit ago but would if your around would like to know what you did. nice job..

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Originally Posted by mrlaroo

Nice grow, How did you get the TW to be that small? You must have top it and FIM and also LST on to the scrog? I am amazed how small you got that sativa strain. Know it was a bit ago but would if your around would like to know what you did. nice job..

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mrlaroo, apologies for missing this. Haven't been checking in that much.

To answer your question, I only did LST and Scrog, no topping or fimming. According to Greenhouse Seeds, this is an indica dominant strain, and judging from the flowering time I would agree. They say it's from the original Arcata cut, and when I did some research it seemed to have more Sativa in it (Mexican or Columbian, Lowland Thai and I think Afghan, can't remember now but I read it in another forum) It's not the highest yielding strain, but very powerful stuff.

Just got back from Amsterdam and moved into a new apartment in Finland. I'll probably be moving back to Amsterdam sometime this year, but in the meantime I'll be starting another project. But I won't be investing much like I had planned. I'll use mostly the same equipment and seeds, stay tuned ;)

Hey Finn :jointsmile:

Right back at ya Shov :jointsmile:

Nice to see some familiar faces, I'll have to check out what you've been up to lately...

looking good, BUT those buds look a little loose? or is it just me?..

everytime ive grown trainwreck, the nuggets were do hard and crystalline you could load them up in a slingshot and break windows,


gorgeous flowers though.

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Originally Posted by ShastaCoMan

looking good, BUT those buds look a little loose? or is it just me?..

everytime ive grown trainwreck, the nuggets were do hard and crystalline you could load them up in a slingshot and break windows,


gorgeous flowers though.

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The uglier one was more dense, and the prettier one was a little more airy. Still harvested the same in dry weight. Maybe should have let it go a little longer.