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Hey, Daihashi, I never checked your log before because I don't grow, but I saw your recent post over in Politics and had to come check the log out. Very nice by the way, especially considering the natural disasters and everything else! I just wanted to say that after reading the last two weeks, I've got a better understanding of a few things.

Take care of yourself. Good luck with the grow! AND CONGRATULATIONS ON THE HOUSE!!!

Looking good...daihashi...:thumbsup:

hey can i watch

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I just wonder how big these plants would be if they didn't miss out on a week of light. They look so good now. I may go ahead and veg these out to 6 weeks. I still don't have alternating nodes despite starting the 6th/7th set of leaves/node.

Either way I'm pleased with the health and appearance of my plants. This one will become a beautiful mother.

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Hey I have several plants right now that are 8,9 or more nodes and still don't have any preflowers or alternating nodes, don't know if it's good or bad? I guess I don't care though, I am sure they are still young, about the same as yours minus the hurricane shit.:D
Your plants look great, they are really compact, I wish mine were more like that.
Did you trim or take any low growth off any plants? Just wondering, your plants look pretty, nice broad fat green leaves!:D :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by edub325

hey can i watch

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Yeah!! The more the merrier. I like to chat in my logs so feel free to chime in and participate whenever you get the chance. I hope you find my log useful. :hippy:

They bounced back very well D...congrats man!
whiskeytango

PS...I found a 2000K HPS bulb...think thats too cool? or do I wanna stay more around 21-2500k?

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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH

Hey I have several plants right now that are 8,9 or more nodes and still don't have any preflowers or alternating nodes, don't know if it's good or bad? I guess I don't care though, I am sure they are still young, about the same as yours minus the hurricane shit.:D
Your plants look great, they are really compact, I wish mine were more like that.
Did you trim or take any low growth off any plants? Just wondering, your plants look pretty, nice broad fat green leaves!:D :thumbsup:

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That's odd, most plants usually show alternating nodes after 4 nodes, but to be fair my plants are only 3 weeks old and sometimes it takes up to 6 weeks to show sex.

I haven't trimmed the plants at all. I've left them all intact with damaged leaves and all. The mother plant shown in the close up pics suffered virtually no damage; just the first set of leaves got kind of soft (tissue soft like) and lost some of it's color. However those leaves are still there and still absorbing light. I saw no need to remove it.

I am very pleased with my plant growth.

They are starting their 6th/7th nodes on the biggest plants.

I honestly believe I owe the health of my plants due to the Canna Coco and nutrient line that I am using. They do not steam their coco to process it; when you steam coco like many coco suppliers do you end up with Nitrogen Nitrate; which is toxic to plants. They use another process that is RHP certified that eliminates this and puts something beneficial into (I have it in some documentation that canna only hands out to it's distributors; I left it at my apartment and I'm at my new house now).

Day 24 Veg

8ml Canna Coco nute A
8ml Canna Coco nute B
6ml CalMag
ph 5.9
6 oz of water

I didn't feed to run off as I was trying to use the rest of what I had left in my last gallon I made.

Tonight or tomorrow morning I will flush the plants and give them a light feeding.

Probably Sunday I will transplant most of the plants into 2 gallon containers.

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

They bounced back very well D...congrats man!
whiskeytango

PS...I found a 2000K HPS bulb...think thats too cool? or do I wanna stay more around 21-2500k?

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I think 2k will be fine; it's not that far off from 2100k. I loved that bulb I used but if I had to do it again I think I would mix in like 3-4 23 watt 6500K CFL's. It would create some denser buds with the mix.

That's just me though; I loved that bulb and want to try to find another ultra red with some decent blue spectrum mixed in as well.

In case anyone was wondering I had recommended a bulb to WT, a 2100K HPS bulb I used in flowering on my last grow... the model number was LH400 and I believe is made by GE, but a number of manufacturers relabel it as their own; including the bulb I used which was made by philips.

Let me know how it works out for you. It should be very nice supplementary light to your LED's.

Quick update. Last 2 days I've fed with the following:

12ml Canna Coco Nute A
12ml Canna Coco Nute B
6ml Calmag
PH'd 5.7-5.8
8-10oz of water each plant


One of my plants, the one that i dropped two times in less than a 5 minute interval, does not look heathy. As a matter of fact I doubt it will recover. I am contemplating tossing it out since it is obviously so stressed out.

Let this be a lesson to you all. Drop your plants from 5 feet in the air and you're sure to shock the root system and plant. I am sure the root system took the brunt of the shock since I dropped it on the pot and not on the plant itself. The medium had been severely disturbed and I tried to pack it all back together.

Plants don't like to be dropped.. lol :hippy:

So I moved the cabinet, plants and lights over to the new house. I had to pull apart the cabinet in order to transport it. Which means that the plants will not receive light during their normal 18 hours (well 14-15 hours. They were in their light period when I tore down the grow area.)

I finally got to bed around 4-5am, woke up at 7am to drag my ass to work. I'll put the cabinet together ass soon as I get home and try to put them back on their normal photoperiod. 1 day without light won't force them to sex, which is my primary concern since I'm trying to save a mother plant.

On the upside however I think I'll be able to start flowering very soon. I need to build out an area. I'm going to get a 600 watt hps on order as well as some panda film. I figured instead of building a cabinet I'll just build a frame and Panda it up!!!

I will probably need an additional fan as well as build a carbon/kitty litter scrubber for the room. My veg area will be in my closet with a panda film curtain to stop light from leaking through to the flower area. I will also install green lights so I can go into the grow area during it's lights off period.

I will post pictures of the room before and after I build it out. I'm hoping to spend NO MORE than $1k on equipment, I think I'l be able to come out under $600.

More updates to come, and the plants will restart their regular schedule tonight.

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Originally Posted by daihashi

So I moved the cabinet, plants and lights over to the new house. I had to pull apart the cabinet in order to transport it. Which means that the plants will not receive light during their normal 18 hours (well 14-15 hours. They were in their light period when I tore down the grow area.)

I finally got to bed around 4-5am, woke up at 7am to drag my ass to work. I'll put the cabinet together ass soon as I get home and try to put them back on their normal photoperiod. 1 day without light won't force them to sex, which is my primary concern since I'm trying to save a mother plant.

On the upside however I think I'll be able to start flowering very soon. I need to build out an area. I'm going to get a 600 watt hps on order as well as some panda film. I figured instead of building a cabinet I'll just build a frame and Panda it up!!!



I will probably need an additional fan as well as build a carbon/kitty litter scrubber for the room. My veg area will be in my closet with a panda film curtain to stop light from leaking through to the flower area. I will also install green lights so I can go into the grow area during it's lights off period.

I will post pictures of the room before and after I build it out. I'm hoping to spend NO MORE than $1k on equipment, I think I'l be able to come out under $600.

More updates to come, and the plants will restart their regular schedule tonight.

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GOD BLESS PANDA PLASTIC!:D:thumbsup:

well.. testing the temps in the new room/cabinet right now. Unfortunately the temps tend to rise after 4pm here. So I'll have to run my lights to turn off before then. 3pm would probably be the latest I'll want to run them. Right now I am going to leave the lights on and see around what time the cabinet will stabilize around 78 degrees. I will have my lights turn on at that point and run for 18 hours accordingly. Luckily in flower where keeping temps down is more important will be much easier. I could run the lights from midnight to noon and probably easily maintain 78 degrees.

We will see.

I will probably pick up some panda film tomorrow.

ugh.. having major cooling issues in this new space.

Things I need to do that I didn't have to do before.

1. Vent the cabinet either into the attic or out the window.
2. Probably cap off the other end of the cool tube to draw in cool air from the room itself.
3. Install a second inline fan to ventilate the room itself, exhaust it out the attic or out the window.
4. Look into tearing out my walls and installing some batting insulation (as close as I can get to r38 rating. Not sure what's available). And then line the studs with Radiant Barrier foil.
5. Install Radiant barrier into the attic.
6. Possibly install a portable A/C unit in the room.

Last night the best I could get the temps was 83.5 degrees. That was with the house sitting at 73 degrees.

I woke up this morning and the house was at 72 degrees and the room was at 90 degrees. What this means is that the house got very cool last night and didn't need to run at all while I was sleeping. Without fresh cold air coming into the room the temperatures just kept getting hotter and hotter (this is where venting might have helped keep it slightly cool but I question how much cooler.)

Further more I really don't want to keep my house at 72-73 degrees. I would prefer to keep the thermostat at 78-79 degrees.

If anyone has any ideas please let me know. So far I'm going to move forward with steps 1, 2 and 3. Then I'll move forward with steps 4 and 5. Radiant barrier is relatively cheap as is batting insulation.

A portable A/C unit will run me about $350-450 and I run the chance that it will be on ALL DAY LONG. These things pull on average about 880 watts - 1250 watts for a 10,000-12000 BTU model. I don't want to be pulling that kind of power 24 hours a day to try to get the cooling I am wanting. I would be fine if it ran for 30 minutes every hour. That would be 720 Kwh a month if it ran for 24 hours and 360 for 12 hour a day. I think I could tolerate 360 Kwh increase on my electric bill.

The room during the day with no lights on and the house at 78 will actually sit around 77-76 degrees while the A/c is on in the house and while it's off it might creep up to 78 degrees.

The light kills all cooling in the room.

Very frustrating.

If anyone else has any other ideas please toss them this way. I'm open to anything thoughts.

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Originally Posted by daihashi

ugh.. having major cooling issues in this new space.

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Also I decided I'm going to go ahead and buy a grow tent. My outside measured space is 32"x31" (WxL). I estimate the inside measured length to be 28.5" x 27.5".. So just a little over 2 ft. A bit small for a 400 watt light.

I am also going to use a squirell cage fan for the exhaust instead of wasting my other 6" inline fan that I have on hand.

Or since I don't intend on putting a carbon filter on this fan, maybe just a duct fan. This won't be the flower room and all I want to do is exhaust hot air from the room itself.

I will make my way into the attic today and see about cutting 2 holes to in the ceiling to exhaust all this crap.

Hopefully with the grow space, not using wood, and exhausting outside of the room that the cabinet sits in.. hopefully that will help me drop to a MAXIMUM temperature of 82 degrees and a generally sustained temp of 78 degrees.

We will see. I didn't realize how well my last area cooled my grow cabinet. Oh well. At least I'm trying to fix it instead of dealing with it like a lot of people do.

welp.. I just bought a 4x4x7 Hydrohut (new version.. not the crappy outgassing version).

bought some flanges and a few other little things to get all the ducting to work. I also bought this stuff for windows. It's a clear tint type thing; what it does it filter out alot of radiant heat from windows. Supposedly raises the R rating by *UP TO* 90% (key word being up to, but even if it just raises it by 20-30% then I think it was worth the 5 bucks I paid for it.).

You apply it with a hair dryer of all things. I bought two kits and will be applying it to the windows today as well as running my ducting into the attic area.

I will duct the other end (intake side) of the cool tube just to the top of the hut so that way it draws in cool air from the room and not the hot air from the attic.

I couldn't get a duct fan so in the mean time I will use my other 6" inline fan to exhaust the room. This will also be exhausted into the attic.

I am hoping with all these changes that I can get the temps down to around 78 at night and at a maximum peak of around 82 degrees.

We will see. I'll post pics once I get everything setup.

got the hydro hut setup. Actual dimensions are 4' 5" x 4' 5" x 7'. This thing is very big.

I hooked up the lighting and cut a hole in the ceiling going into the attic. I setup the opposite end of the cool tube to pull in cool air from the outside. Temps were automatically 4-5 degrees cooler. Running between 79.7 degrees and 80.5 degrees at a time when the room is it's warmest (around 4-6pm).

I've added a second 6" inline fan to see if I can reduce the temps even further. If i can get it to stay at around 76 degrees then I think that this will be a winning solution. I will take pics of the entire thing when I have the entire setup dialed in.

I am very pleased with the quality of the hydrohut so far. Makes me wish I had bought one from the get go and I highly recommend one to anyone looking to build a decent grow area quickly and cheaply. It is only marginally more expensive than if you were to buy a cabinet or build one. I spent $149.99 locally for a 4.5'x4.5'x7' Tent. It came with a bunch of 6" vent flaps, a few 4" ones, a few holes for me to run cords through it as well as a bunch of intake ventilation flaps (long rectanges.)

I will probably but another one for my flower room.. or buy a smaller one (3x3 or 2.5x2.5 with a 250watt light inside) for my mother plants.

On the agenda tonight will be transplanting all my plants into 2 gallon or 3 gallon pots (I don't have enough 2 gallon pots to go around. I will probably put my mother in a 3 gallon pot).

Pics coming either later tonight or tomorrow.

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Wow that sounds nice, I have one but yours sounds nicer. Mine is not even close to light tight. Didn't find out until after the fact, not very happy about me not checking before I used it for flowering! I am sure you will, but you should check, unless you aren't going to have any lights in the room outside of the tent. Mine is for veg only, in a different room. They are nice.

Update:

Transplanted 5 of the big plants into their final destination, 2 gallon pots. The 3 smaller ones I've left in their current pots until they get at least 6 inches taller.

With the house at 75 degrees, the hydrohut is running at 76.8 degrees. Not bad. I can deal with running between 76-81 degrees. I will time the lights to run mostly when the room being used is not in direct light.

I need to clean up the room but I will take pictures tomorrow of the entire setup. I need to buy more flexible ducting so I can push the hydrohut into a corner of the room so I can fit another one in there in the future.

I am very pleased to have solved this problem. Apparently my last apartment was so efficient at cooling I had never realized that the space I was using was actually too small for a 400 watt light.

I hope I'll be able to cool a 600 watt efficiently. I'll be ordering a 600 watt light and cool tube very soon so I can start flowering.

Before transplanting I fed the plants as follows:

12ml Canna Coco Nute A
12ml Canna Coco Nute B
6ml Calmag
PH'd water 5.8
10 oz of water each plant

so I checked the temps this morning.. about an hour ago actually. The A/C hasn't come on in some time now since the house is sitting at 73 degrees and the A/C is set to 75.

The temps inside the hydrohut as of 10am are 78.4 degrees. Typically if the A/C is coming on as it should then the temps are about 2 degrees above ambient. I will continue to monitor this temperature situation but I think the bigger grow area combined with installing a second inline fan and venting into the attic has helped greatly.

There was an accident it seems last night though. Apparently the flexible ducting fell at some point from the inline fan. I made the inside a bit tighter by folding ductape into the duct. It was a snug fit after that. In addition the hydro hut has these two bars at the ceiling for a charcoal filter I guess. I put those closer together in order to snuggly hug the duct so it can't fall again. I had to sweep up a crap load of coco and clean the plants as best as I could (I really need a dust buster.)

So far things are looking great in the new grow environment.

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dealing with the heat situation was a big one with us as well. When I bought that 1kw light my hydro guy warned me about the heat but I blew it off......only to discover the hard way that you HAVE to deal with it one way or another. I remember at one point we had the central air running AND a window ac all going on at the same time just to keep the room at a decent temp. Going to a cool tube and white paint vs mylar solved the issue for us. :)

Love to see a photo of the setup when you can.

Try a hose-clamp to get a better attachment between ducting and fixtures. Assembled correctly and secured at both ends, you can get it snug enough even to serve as backup in case one of the hangers fails.

well hashi, i'm going to guess you either don't have a camera or you rather explain in words the whole grow and leave visuals to the imagination lol. i can manage but it'd be nice to see these ladies and the setup. are pics a possibility?


morning

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dealing with the heat situation was a big one with us as well. When I bought that 1kw light my hydro guy warned me about the heat but I blew it off......only to discover the hard way that you HAVE to deal with it one way or another. I remember at one point we had the central air running AND a window ac all going on at the same time just to keep the room at a decent temp. Going to a cool tube and white paint vs mylar solved the issue for us. :)

Love to see a photo of the setup when you can.

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I actually took photos but I can't find my media card reader to pull the images off my camera.. heh

I'll post pictures up when I can.

1 of my plants are clawed from not transplanting soon enough and you'll notice some small clawing going on with 1-2 of the other plants. beyond that they all look gorgeous (some spottingon the leaves where I might have spilled some nutrient solution on it and the light burned it).

I may have to begin flowering with my 400 watt light. I don't have the budget at the moment for a 600 watt light.

Also I've been giving some further thought to the situation and I don't think I'll have a dedicated veg area. I think I'll setup a CFL array (I still have a shit ton of CFL's left from my last grow) for my mothers and to veg new mothers. From there after they've rooted some I'll probably just dump them in 1 gallon pots and put them in the flower room.

I'm going to be going for SOG style as best as I can with multiple strains. The room is 4.5' x 4.5x.. I figure I can fit between 20 - 24 rooted clones in 1 gallon pots at a time (24 being the absolute max and 20 being a more realistic max.) however to do this I will absolutely need a 600 watt light.. or maybe even a 1000 watt light.

Where I live heat is an issue (gets hot here in the summer.). I will probably get 1 600 watt hps and setup a second 600 watt hps if I determine I need it.

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well hashi, i'm going to guess you either don't have a camera or you rather explain in words the whole grow and leave visuals to the imagination lol. i can manage but it'd be nice to see these ladies and the setup. are pics a possibility?


morning

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Well I'm sure if you looked through the log you would see I do have some pictures up, and you would see I've been in the process of moving; so taking pictures, or finding my equipment to pull images off my camera are not super high on my agenda at the moment.

Thanks for stopping by.

oh yeah.. let's not forget I went through that massive hurricane. Maybe you heard about it.. Hurricane ike :wtf:

transplanted my to be mother plant into a 1 gallon pot and another plant into a 2 gallon pot.

I am going to initiate flowering tomorrow and will probably suck it up and purchase a 600 watt HPS. I'm hoping to get about 2-3 oz per plant. Tomorrow I also have to pick up a few large appliances and some things from my old apartment including a crap load of CFL's which I will use to set up my CFL array for my mothering plants. I'm thinking about 200-250 watts worth MAX.. that will be for 4 mothering plants in 1 gallon pots; which should provide plenty of light and allow me to keep it relatively cool easily..

I hope by the time this harvest is complete I will have 24 clones ready to put into fowering again (6 cuttings from each strain.. I plan on running 4 strains). I say 24 because I plan on picking the strongest clones and keeping only about 16 plants.

I hope to find my media card reader so I can show everyone some pics.

bought a hydrofarm xtrasun 600 watt HPS ballast and 600 watt Eye Hortilux bulb.

In addition to this I purchased some dutchmaster reverse and penetrator.

More updates to come and hopefully some pics. :thumbsup:

my fault big guy. yea I've just been skimming through since i was stressed for time previously. been subscribed for a while patiently waiting to see how you make out with all the cane's shit and the progress you've made. hope all is well


morning

Pictures will be coming tonight at 9pm when the lights come back on. Lights are on from 9pm to 9am. In the mean time though I can go snap a picture of the mother I picked out.

I think I'll do that now. It's been about a month since I've been able to give anyone any pics.

I'm probably going to fim her soon.

Stay tuned in the next hour for pics of the mother plant.

Batteries are dead. I'll have some more by tonight when lights come on for the flowering plants.:thumbsup:

Pictures as promised:

Pic 1: New 4.5'x4.5' Hydro Hut
Pic 2: Inside 4.5'x4.5' Hydro hut, 600 watt HPS, 7 plants.
Pic 3: Closer shot of the Plants. Day 3 Flowering (already seeing pistils. YAY)
Pic 4: Mother Plant inside her Cabinet. Under 3 23 watt CFL's. About 4000-5000 lumen.
Pic 5: Closer Shot of the Mother

Pic 6: Top view of the mother.

Note: all flowering plants are in similar condition to the mother. Some have some clawing on a leaf set due to waiting too long to transplant from 4 inch square pots to 2 gallon pots (I put it off for so long because I was moving soon. Easier to transport the plants in the smaller pots).

I'm in Day 3 of flowering.

Fed all the plants today as follows:

12ml Canna Coco nute A
12ml Canna Coco Nute B
6ml CalMag
PH'd @ 5.8

The above dosage is per gallon of water.

I fed each plant approx 6-9 cups of solution.

Plants are looking great. Having some problems with the temps but nothing that won't be fixed in the coming weeks with overnight lows starting to get in the low 60's/high 50's.

Since i run my lights at night I'll be able to make use of the cold weather at night; effectively keeping my electrical use down and being able to keep the light closer to the canopy.

Currently it's at 1ft away however I am contemplating moving it up 15-18" away instead to assist with the temps staying below 82 (seems to be my high temp in the room.)

I will be starting another log shortly for mothers. I plan on taking 6-8 clones off the mother plant after I fim it and it recovers. I'm not exactly sure I completely understand the fimming thing but I hope to get the hang of it. :thumbsup:

Nice grow D -subscribed...I'l be watching fer sure...

I'm planning on germmin some SNLxNH and MK beans too...I too am lookin for some moms, but gotta wait till I make some mods to the space...$$$...

keep up the good work...I started some bag beans up in coco for my last grow and had great results too, imo it's great for developing good root structure early in the youngens lives...

later D:S5:

Got some MK's just started in my setup. The more I work with that strain the more I like it........but it lacks my "haze" kick. Love everything else about it though.

Your mom looks great Dai! :thumbsup: I've been having some good results recently with some of my SNL x NH's so check out the girls in my log when you have a chance.

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Got some MK's just started in my setup. The more I work with that strain the more I like it........but it lacks my "haze" kick. Love everything else about it though.

Your mom looks great Dai! :thumbsup: I've been having some good results recently with some of my SNL x NH's so check out the girls in my log when you have a chance.

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Awesome! I'm going to check it out now. I'm about to start germing about 2-3 more strains to turn into moms and start a new "Mothering" grow log.

What new strains are you gonna knock up D

later, the other D

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What new strains are you gonna knock up D

later, the other D

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I'm thinking Master Kush, Purple Power Plant and the classic... White Widow. This would give me 4 plants total to have as mothers.

I'd eventually like to get a hold of some DJ Short genetics. I've heard nothing but great things from him. They're kind of pricey so I may just go with some stuff from Joey Weeds as most of his stuff originates from DJ shorts genetics.

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I'm thinking Master Kush, Purple Power Plant and the classic... White Widow. This would give me 4 plants total to have as mothers.

I'd eventually like to get a hold of some DJ Short genetics. I've heard nothing but great things from him. They're kind of pricey so I may just go with some stuff from Joey Weeds as most of his stuff originates from DJ shorts genetics.

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Nice D

I'd love to get my hands on some PPP genetics, Imagine the PPP X'd with the WW that would be one purple albino beast... I'm already ready to subscribe to your mom thread when you get it on and poppin... Keep up the great work...

D:S5:

So I'm still only seeing two plants sexed so far. This bothers me and is frustrating. I was hoping to see at least 1 pistil somewhere randomly on all the plants.

I suspect light coming from the windows could be interfering with their night cycle some how.

To remedy this I bought 9ft of panda film to hang over the the two narrow windows I have in the room in addition to making a curtain of sorts for my mother cabinet area. I am thinking of removing the door to my mothering cabinet all together and just leaving the curtain in place. This would allow some airflow in the area and still keep the grow room totally dark.

I am also going to invest in some green light bulbs so I can work in the area even during the night cycle.

Cold weather is starting to kick up and I have some plans to expand my grow to another 4.5'x4.5' grow hut with another 600 watt HPS. I found a pretty slick deal on lumatek digital ballasts. Much better deal than what I paid for my hydrofarm xtrasun ballast. I will be chain the new light to the ducting in the other grow room so I'm using 1 6" fan to ventilate the 2 600 watt HPS lights. I will but another 6" fan to install into the second grow area.

Tonight I'm going to start germing some seeds to make mothers out of. I also started LST'ing the SNLxNH mom last night. she already turned all her leaves upright. Hopefully she get's nice and bushy so I can take a decent amount of cuttings.

A lot is going on with my grow at the moment. I need to do a better job of updating this log with the little details.

I plan on doing a full objective outline here soon so I can have a baseline of where I currently stand and where I want to be in the next 4-6 weeks.

I'll be tuned in for the show D