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WH, I like to take my stems and trims place it in a jar with Lemon Extract (Smart and Final) which is something like 93% I let it sit in a dark cupboard a week or so then strain it into a glass 13x8 cake pan and leave it outside to evaporate and then after scrapping up what's left and mix it into my cap mixture before I cook it.
Luna, how does that work for you? What do you strain with, coffee filter? Cheesecloth? I'd love more specifics about tinctures since we attempting them ourselves. So far what we had is some half-revegged Master Kush buds (dried) that we strained with a regulaar cooking strainer, filled 2/3 full (loosely) with this mix and added vegetable glycerine to within 1 and 1/2 inches from top of quart jar. Our cannabis doc told us to wait at least two months, but to agitate the bottle daily which we have been doing. Is this at all close to what you are accomplishing extraction wise? We started the mixture on 01/12/09 and the stuff seems extremely thick and gooey. Any comments about that.....good and bad...appreciated.
Hello to all..... So Ive read all thirty pgs. of Flames thread and now yours weedhound. I made some yesterday and haven't tried yet, sure hope to get some great results. I'm kinda worried i won't though as i just became a member of cannabis.com and can now view the pics and see that what i got is diff than what i've now seen in pictures. oh well you live and you learn. Thanks for all info so far and I'll soon be checkin back w/ these results and then many more.
I have used both the soak and wait method and Master Wu's recipe with great success. I understand the desire to not touch alcohol (I didn't drink for 16 yrs). But with a well made tincture the alcohol is just a medium for the intoxicant, not the intoxicant itself.
Let us know how your glycerin experiments go and I'll post when I get some coconut oil. Should I be able to get that at a health food store? My local grocery doesn't carry it.
WH have you ever tried nuking the oil and the weed?
I never have tried nuking the weed......mostly because I read somewhere that it destroys the trichomes but I can't tell you if the statement is true.......just that I read it somewhere so never did it.
The oil I nuke for about a minute to get it to liquid state so I can add the powder.....that's the only nuking that occurs. :D
You can get coconut oil at your local health food store (unless you live way in the sticks) or even online. I get mine from Amazon.com.
Good luck....and thanks for the tincture tips. :)
Does anyone have specific measurements for oil to herb ratio? I tend to make mine with 3.5g of herb to about 6 tsp of oil. This usually results in a mix of about 50/50 herb to oil when I put it into the capsules. I fill the caps halfway with the cooled but still liquid oil by using a small measuring cup with a pouring lip. Then I use a knife to scoop up and put a small bit of herb in at a time until the cap is full. With the large amount of oil I don't have to compress it any to get the air out. Also because I do it this way I waste almost nothing. Just what is left in the coffee cup I use. Plus I don't get the caps covered in oil unless my hand shakes when I pour. It take a little extra time but I think it is worth it since I don't have greasy caps and they don't stick together when they solidify.
Would anyone have recommendations on how to improve this. I didn't get very in depth but I gave a basic outline of how I do it. I usually have to take a couple of these for them to work, but I also get about 25-28 caps so I'd say I get about 9 good doses. I can also just take one or 2 to get nice and mellow without getting totally blazed. I'm not really sure if I conserve herb this way though. I can make the eigth I used last about a week by smoking it. With this I will take about 3 pills and then smoke all day on top of it. For the amount of herb used it just doesn't seem to be as potent as I would expect. Although I do feel the effects for most of the day.
Also I let it cook over night on low temp. I usually mix it every hour-hour and a half for the first couple of hours then go to bed. When I get up I take the coffee cup out of the crocpot. Strain the mix and let cool. Could I be burning off THC by letting it cook for a good 8 or 9 hours without mixing? I'm going to buy a candy therm and a over therm so I can monitor the temps. I don't get a weed smell unless I put the crocpot on the high setting. Also I have let it cook over night on the high setting and they have worked just fine although I had a steady weed smell.
I feel like I need to make 10 batches of the same herb with all different variables. I can never tell if mine are living up to their potential or not. I've made about 6 batches over the past year and they have all worked but some better than others. As far as I could tell that was just the quality of the herb coming through. I just don't feel like I'm knocked out of my zord unless I eat a bunch. In which case I am consuming a lot of it. Each pill comes out to about .13g and a bowl is usually what? .2g? .3g? just seems strange that I would need to eat about .4-.5g to have it work. Then again it last forever when I do that. Arggg!! I need to stop trying to figure out which works better and just enjoy whatever method I choose.
So i tried my 'batch' last night. I definitely felt nice and relaxed! Had a great stone for 6-7 hours before i went to bed. I don't think that I got it to the potential concentrate but definitely close. I cooked in crock pot for a couple hours and them tested them on my brother and they didn't kick in for him so i re-cooked in oven on 240 for two hours and that did the trick(mostly). Can't wait for next batch! Thanks soo much weedhound and ofcourse flameon as well. I'll keep posting my results and once i get what works best i'll post the process i use. This is my first time w/ edibles or concentrates but it won't be last......
jebus2029 -I can never tell if mine are living up to their potential or not. I've made about 6 batches over the past year and they have all worked but some better than others. As far as I could tell that was just the quality of the herb coming through.
This is an important consideration for anyone experimenting with edibles. I too have found myself questioning the results of my experiments without factoring in the variances in strength of the weed I used. The better the quality of herb the better the qualities of the tincture or baked good. Concentrated low-mid grade weed has a concentrated low-mid grade buzz, while concentrated high end weed has the concentrated cerebral effects of really good smoke.
Both have their utility, but too often people think that cooking with herb will magically improve it's qualities, but I think magnification might be a better descriptor.
Currently I have 2 bottles of tincture working that I stared in early December. One consist of 180ml of Everclear and 1/2 ounce of not that exciting commercial pot. The other is about 50ml of Everclear and 3 grams of very high end weed. Even at 3-4 time the dosage the low end weed only gets me very sedated while a 1/4-1/3 that amount of the high end stuff gets pretty trippy.
It's always relative to what you start with.
I started using these capsules for a couple of reasons. One was to ease my lungs and capsules vs cookies was to ease my weight. I've always cooked with good weed (grown at home) so the only real variable I faced was different strains......all good weed however.
Personally I love them and the fact that I can pack a few and pop them almost anywhere discreetly. But I also have to attest that I use MUCH LESS weed now than I did when I was smoking. Yes, I miss that instant "ahhhhhhhh" you get with smoking or vaping but at least I feel I make that up in better lung health. There are drawbacks to every method you choose. (Mostly smoking.....vaping is less harmful but I don't think it's completely harmless either.....it'll make a difference on my lungs that I can TELL the next day if I vape or smoke) The other point of course is how long the high lasts.....I'd be smoking several grams ALL DAY LONG to keep up to a dose of capsules. And of course, discretion goes right out the window with smoking. There are simply too many places where you just can't smoke. Cookies are easier (discretion-wise) but capsules are the easiest of all in that department imo.
Before capsules I went to cookies and was eating at LEAST 4-5 day with up to two grams in each cookie (20gms strained bud plus 1/2 box cookie mix=10 cookies) so I was using HUGE amounts at that time so discovering the capsules has saved us an ENOURMOUS amount of weed since 20 grams will now last at least a week vs baking cookies with same amount every two or three days.
I personally still think you get "more bang for your buck" with capsules. But ky is right.....it all starts with the type of weed you use and it's quality. ;)
WH, I use a regular metal sieve to strain since it goes into my capsule mix the little bits are no big deal. I have heard heat helps speed the process so I'll put my jar in a paper bag and then place it in the oven with the light left on (the oven gets around 85F just with the light). I've tried the tincture on its own and mixed with the caps it does straighten the caps as a stand alone it seemed kind of weak but then I make it with stems and trim. I end up with about a tablespoon after I evaporate the alcohol off from about a quart full.
So I'm going to try again, I have my coconut oil heating as i type this. I was also thinking of making fire crackers but have seen so many different ways and recipes:confused: So i was wondering if anyone here has had success and can direct me to a thread or site which they had desired results. I'll post with my experience/pill report later tonight. Definitely gonna use less oil this time as i think that's why my last batch of caps seemed a lil weaker than described in the thread. Wish me luck....
H3rb!!
Best of luck. Hope they work for you. :)
I have yet to get good enough results making firecrackers to make it worth it. What works better is to buy one of those cookie dough rolls that you slice and bake. After you slice mix about 1/4-1/2 teaspoon of the dried and ground up week into the dough and bake.
Well i'm about to pull it out of oven! This time my mix looks much more like that in weedhounds tutorial. I've had it right about 220-230 for around 3 hours or so now. I'm soooo excited. my first batch did it but not as good as i think this'll be.
Luna-- Thanks for the cookie dough idea. Sounds wonderful I can't believe i didn't think of that. Well I better get this goin, YAY!! I feel like I'm fifteen again about to smoke for the first time:jointsmile:. be back soon with the tales of my adventure:)
H3rb!!
So the last time i checked temp before i removed them the temp said 248, it had been about 45 min since i had checked it. Sure hope i didn't vape em. I think my house would smell very bad/good if i had though and it doesn't so i think i'm in the clear.
H3rb!!
Well H3rb? Report? Good? Bad? Zero? Enquiring minds need to know!! :D
So I really did intend to write in last night with a rport on my exp. but was way too glued to the couch in la-la land. Me and my girl watched alice in wonderland, Her favorite movie, and that was just the begining. I know a twenty five year old male watching Alice in Wonderland must sound odd but try it on caps and i swear you'll understand!! The colors were so vibrant. So this time was deffinately better than last. Super body stone!!. Will post my variation of this method later when i have more time. THANK YOU WEEDHOUND.
Luna- Trying the cookie dough today, I'll let you know how it goes. Do you usually cook at regular temps as directed on packaging???? Have a wonderful day, I'll check back soon.
I think a 25 year old man watching Alice in Wonderland on a Saturday night just about sums these capsules right up. :D
Yeah I don't smoke tooo much so i hadn't been THAT high in a while. By the way I ate two caps, and that was PLENTY. Now I understand why MJ is said to ba a hallucinogenic. Not that I actually hallucinated but my senses were def heightened and if i'd eaten more(say four) It's poss I may have. They really helped w/ my pain as I didn't have to take a percocet all afternoon/evening and my foot was hurting bad to begin with.
Backstory>> I broke my foot bad a year and a half ago and have had two surgeries and now have deformities and chronic pain. I'm prescribed percocet 15 mg pills for pain but would rather use MJ. I normally smoke during evening for pain and use percs for daytime @ work so i maybe smoke 5-6 times a week, low tolerance >> I wish every state would legalize for med use. Till then I can't legally possess or cultivate. :( Anyone using recipe for pain relief I'd suggest taking just one pill for several hours pain relief. well, I'm rambling, Gotta go buy cookie dough!! Thanks again for the thread WH.
While I agree higher quality in will be higher quality out I get the most bang for my buck with decarboxylated trim. I get the trim for free from a friend of mine who grows. Even if you use bud though its still cheaper than marinol and way more effective.
The Wizard of OZ is also a good capsule movie(G) I rarely smoke now. With the cookie dough I mix in the ground weed in well and bake it at around 275 which is less then recommended so that I can bake them longer about 30 minutes.
Thanks luna. I ended up just using a lil brownie mix out of some brownies i was making(reg brownies) and emptied out and mixed two caps worth of coco cannabis oil stuff and brownie mix into a single cup cake/muffin pan and BAM i'm still feelin it now pretty heavy. cooked @ 290 for 15-20 min. You should try. I got the effects of the caps w/ the taste of brownie!!! Now that I started cooking w/ herbs i don't think I'll ever stop. Oh and I found out that Nevada(where I live) has indeed legalized Bud for med use. So I'm def sighning up for that as soon as I'm off work comp and i get my settlement check from them:) Well gotta go, I'm gonna watch my favorite movie tonight. Fear and Loathing in Las vegas!!!!!!!
peace to all.
HERB!!
HIGH to all. So I have a quick question question. Has any of you used hash in this rec. and haf good results?? Or do you have any other hash edibles you can suggest. I've read flames cap recipe using hash and i've had success with herb but still want to hear someone testify to good results and give the method that worked for them. Thanks in advance for any input.
HERB!!
TODAY'S FORECAST: THICK FOG!!! :stoned:
Never tried hash myself H3rb.....but if you do let us know how it went. :)
I did try adding some hash I got at the club to a batch of caps 2oz of bud with 4 grams of hash it didn't really make a difference it could be that there wasn't enough.
need some help. i 've tried this recipe 4 or 5 times with no luck and i'm pretty j-j-jaded.
i can think of a few things that might be altering my success...
i live at an altitude of about 6000 feet above sea level(something tells me this is it).
i have a super metabolism. i can eat just about anything i want and stay at 120 pounds.
i must be cooking stupid. i've never made a successful edible space treat.
with a half gram of ground bud and a 1 tsp of coconut oil i've tried 1.5 hours at 90c. 2 hours at 140c(cooked it out probably).1 hour at 100c(barely worked). each time i ate the entire amount.
i'm about to try 3 hours at 100c.
my main question is...how would high altitude affect the whole deal.
I really don't know to be honest. Really wouldn't have a clue. I know there is something about cooking in higher altitudes...but I don't know what it is. Anyone?
You need to bake things longer in high alts. I cook mine at 240F which is about 115c so maybe try it at a little higher temp and try cooking it about 4 hours.
Thanks luna!! I remember reading something about cooking differently in higher altitudes but not the details. Thanks again luna!! Ps I tried to rep you but apprently have recently. :)
WH any reports on your glycerin tincture attempts?
Just curious
Yes, thanks for reminding me ky.
I did NOT consider the vegetable glycerine "green dragon" to be a success. The stuff was extremely thick, tasted REALLY nasty; took a while to kick in and in the end all it did was make me sleepy.. NO buzz of any sort......just very tired feeling and it DID put me to sleep.
We WON'T be making it again. But definitely if anyone else tries it with success please post your experiences!! Maybe we missed something along the way.
PS....We let our stuff age for about 7 weeks. That's part of the issue but inthe endwe were rather disappointed with the results; especially after all the wait time.
WH, I have a friend who grew up in NM and moved to Fargo and we were just talking about the change in baking times(G) That's too bad about your tincture experiments the one thing I was wondering about is that the glycerin/or alcohol extracts the THC but it really doesn't decarboxylate the THC in an active state plus there is no fat to help the absorption.
Well I was reading up on that luna......my main problem is that we won't use alcohol based products because we are both recovering alkies.....both hubby and me and while people swear the alcoohol evaporates I'm just not willing to chance it. If my body ever got the idea that ANY sort of booze was around I'm honestly terrified of what could happen. I am a born drunk and if/when alcohol enters my body forgert it. it's almost killed me twice so never again with booze..
The other issue was the butane extraction. With my cancer in remission; im not about to play around with this kind of stuff.........so that's where the glycerine came in. Safe, etc...and I found the recipe in several places throughout the web so others HAD tried it before.
However, I also read something about decarboxylation and HEAT.....which supposedly dsecreases the amount of time you have to wait for decarb to occur. So about a week before we used it I took the entire thing (ugh) and put in the crockpot and heated it to 180F for an hour. In the end; none of it made any difference......I still consider the experiment NOT successful.....but am open to suggestions for another (very safe) vehicle to try it again.
WH- I actually just tried making the butane extract like a week and a half ago...
What I did was use a pen(like a reg plastic writing pen) rather than a pvc pipe as I saw most in the methods i found researching this process via the web. I took all of the guts out of the pen, stuffed a metal screen in the writing tip and re-inserted it. Then from the back end of the pen I took great bud, and some hash for good measure, and packed it very very tightly. i used the ink tube from inside the pen to pack it after every couple pinches i put in so it was very tight. Then i burnt a hole in the 'cap' to push butane through and put it back on pen. I used like a third of a gram of hash and prob a lil less or equal of green and got a nice small amount of H-oil. After i shot the butane though into a bowl till it turned from gold to clear i put that bowl into another bowl, kinda like a double boiler w/ pans, just warm tap water brings the butane to boiling point. after ten min or so it was just a residue(hash oil). i used a knife tip to scrape it up and a lighter to make it drip onto bowls of bud. I Also smoked it straight off of tin foil and it kinda made me feel like a heroin head until the buzz kicked in. It was great, but i'm a sort of a light weight these days. There's my experience. wow that was long. I almost forgot when I tried it right after making it, it tasted bad of butane and really hurt my lungs but the next day it was better and it stopped tasting bad completely after like three days so maybe i didn't 'Double Boil' long enough. but after the taste went away and i stopped minding smoking off foil it was a great high.
H3RB!!
BTW one big ol fat hit that i would hold in woulg give me a nice mellow high for like 4-5 hours. But I only smoke a few times a week so I'm a light weight.
WH, Would acetne be less toxic then the butane? I don't blame you for want to avoid the alcohol. Would isopropl acohol be a problem?
Well I have heard of old drunks talking about drinking the stuff when desperate (sterno was another "choice of champions") but I'm not comfortable with and afraid of some sort of reaction.
I love my capsules; they are discreet, great buzz; can be packed in the purse or whatever and last for a long time.
I truly think there is some sort of heat involved that we skipped as far as heating the weed to a low temp BEFORE adding the glycerine. One thing I DID like about the glycerine; it's water soluble.
OK. I have made about 7 bunk batches now and am about to give up. I've tried cooking the oil and monitoring the temperature the whole time, I've tried putting it into a boiling water bath in a jar (ala cannabrex). I'm using virgin coconut oil.
I ordered cannabrex but it hasn't arrived yet.
Could I just be someone who is immune to this?
My last batch was with 1.7 grams of kief and I just took 6 about 2 hours ago and yet again...nothing. :mad: