Closet Doms in Water.... An Ad Hoc Log of Black Dominas in DWC Hydro

Ok....I thought it would take like five mins but you know we stoneers..... I'll make a thread tonight and post it. Don't want to hog your thread. :)

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Ok....I thought it would take like five mins but you know we stoneers..... I'll make a thread tonight and post it. Don't want to hog your thread. :)

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Sweet! Be sure to let us know when ya get it posted. Also, I am serious about the Cookies Recipe. I've been searching for a good new recipe for a few days and so far I am considering : 1) rice cripsy treats 2) green dragon 3) maryjane oatmeal cookies.

MVP :jointsmile:

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponi...otanicare.html

There you go....any questions feel free. Hope it helps you guys.

Seriously my cookie thing is nothing.....about 20gms bud an 10gms trim strained (pretty much powder ganja tossed into your favorite cookie mix. I usually add some extra egg to help "lighten the load' ha ha. MVP you had a recipe for brownies in the recipe section.....seemed to me you know more about cooking than I do.

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponi...otanicare.html

There you go....any questions feel free. Hope it helps you guys.

Seriously my cookie thing is nothing.....about 20gms bud and 10gms trim strained (pretty much powdered) ganja tossed into your favorite cookie mix. I usually add some extra egg to help "lighten the load' ha ha. MVP you had a recipe for brownies in the recipe section.....seemed to me you know more about cooking than I do.

WH, thanks for the nutrient schedule. On the cookie thing, don't you have to make sure it stays below 350 degrees or something? And you're saying that if I put extra egg in the cookies they won't be so hard and disgusting? I've tried cooking with vegetative matter and it almost always makes me gag, and I don't get stoned to boot.

mmmm... rice crispy treats.

Honestly you guys I've had the best luck with the capsules but my hubby likes the cookies to sleep with. Opie I've also tried adding extra oil or butter but I like an extra egg the best and I agree.....keep it under 350 and it can take about a half hour too cook them with all the extra "roughage". It really varies so you have to keep a careful eye on them the whole time. I like them to be pretty brown or "done" looking more so than a regular cookie without burning them. And again....not over 350. ;) I've heard that making canna oil or butter works better but I've never actually tried it. I use choc chip cookie mix and that helps with the tast imo.

Cannaoil works great and if you break out the crockpot and a cannabis/coffee grinder to make it into a fine powder first, all you really have to do is put it in the crockpot for 2-3 hours and you'll have a fabulous oil to cook with IMO.

I have never tried cannabutter but am planning to use an oz or two of MK to make some either this weekend or next. I'll do a quick thread with lotsa PICS when I whip up some cannabutter....

MVP, you have a dam jungle, WOW!

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Originally Posted by Rock.Steady

MVP, you have a dam jungle, WOW!

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Thanks Rock, you should like these quite a bit. I took these pics last night when I was tying down the girls. Yep, tying them down. Cannot tuck under about half of the colas as they are too stout, so I am using good old yarn to LST them.

The plan is to tie/tuck those shoots that are directly under the hood's footprint and allow those on each side to grow vertically and begin ascent to the curvature of the upper screen. Since Monday 1/21 is two weeks completed in 12/12, they will have some stretch left in them but hopefully no too much.

Ahhhh.... on to the photoshoot.... I had finished the first 2 rows when I realized I did not have the camera... I think tonight I will sneak in there and snap some quick photos without the HPS so y'all can see them in their green-ness. Enjoy!

Happy plants come from California. :D They look EXCELLENT Mvp!

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Happy plants come from California. :D They look EXCELLENT Mvp!

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BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
I REMEMBER THOSE COMMERCIALS:S2:

MOO!!:hippy:Hehehe

BTW Hound, I'd bet that if you cooked the 20g+10g into an oil (or butter) and made cookies it would double the effectiveness.

Basically the oil is the same process you use to make capsules. Pretty darn simple but a lot more efficient at extracting the "spacy goodness" as Flame puts it...

ok, you guys got me thinkin about scrog.

Thinkin Cap *ON*:wtf:

As promised earlier, here are the updated pictures of the girls in their true, unadulterated color. It was taken a little bit after 11pm on Sat night. You might notice that a few of the leaves in front look a bit ragged. That is from all of the tucking going on here.

Candidly, I am not nearly as gentle with the fan leaves now as when I started out. It takes me almost 2 hours to tuck and tie them so I am gentle with the bud sites but not the leaves. They are just now starting to show pistils at this point in time.... :woohoo:

Lookin good. I'm not gentle with my fan leaves either. Like you said it takes too much time, and I'm not going to spend even more babying the leaves. Just shove em in. If they can't handle it too bad. And they know if they complain they stand a chance of completely loosing their life.

yet he calls ME cruel.....:D

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam:thumbsup:

Lookin great MVP :thumbsup:

I have read through your posts but am still curious as to the use of the second screen? So your budsites start at the bottom screen and grow through the top screen? Is the top screen just a tying off point for LST the buds as they grow?

Thanks for the clarification and I am beginning to be a bit more harsh on my girls in terms of poking leaves out of the way. My problem is that there are so many bud sites, whenever I poke a leaf out of the way of one bud, anywhere it goes it seems to cover up another bud! I have resigned to let my 600w HPS do it's job 21 inches away from the canopy and it seems like it has penetrating power, because I have some very frosty looking buds underneath the canopy.

Looking forward to your grow's future; keep up the great work :)

CM, for you my brother, no problem. I think I posted the same answer in Opie's LSTTT thread. Here is the quick explanation:

Lower screen is used during Veg and first 2-3 weeks of Flower to tuck under and weave (and at times to tie shoots LST style when they are too big to tuck and/or weave).

Upper screen is to use when Flower stretch begins to support weight of colas and keep them upright.

Last time I grew Black Domina the tops were so heavy they fell over and KO'ed other branches. I don't have the ability (very limited access/space) to tie tops up to ceiling, etc since I'm growing in a closet. Hence the upper screen for support. And to make me less paraniod of falling colas that cause premature harvesting.

MVP :jointsmile:

Well, it is about time I gave an update and shared a couple of photos. The Dominas are finally starting to take shape as lovely little ladies. This set of pics shows the Before and After of my latest tucking exercise. I have a shitload of fan leaves covering bud sites, so I tucked leaves only to exposes the shoots to the lights. I also raised the 3x 23W CFLs that I have on each side of the grow to keep from burning their leaves.

BEFORE
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AFTER
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Also, I did a res change on Sunday 1/20 - here are the nute details:

6 gal RO water = 12 PPM
+ 2 ml/gal Zone = 12 PPM
+ 8 ml/gal EJ Microblast = 152 PPM
+ 8 ml/gal CalMag = 547 PPM
+ 12 ml/gal Pure Blend Pro = 1112 PPM
+ 4 ml/gal Liquid Karma = 1195 PPM
+ 4 ml/gal Sweet = 1320 PPM
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Added to res, adjusted PH, topped with 1/2 gal RO.
Final Result = 5.8 PH, 1125 PPM, 3.8 gal in each res.

Any comments or input? Fire away!!

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Originally Posted by MVP

I have a shitload of fan leaves covering bud sites

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For me, when their about this far along, I've noticed that you just need to tuck nearly all the fan leaves, because for each one you push down you find a shoot or two.

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

For me, when their about this far along, I've noticed that you just need to tuck nearly all the fan leaves, because for each one you push down you find a shoot or two.

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What is your advice on removing fans leaves at this point? I have tucked all that are able to tuck under the screen, but there are a few (large) ones that are still shading cuz they won't stay pushed below the canopy...

Just cut em off. I hate to do that, especially on the nice big healthy ones. You just know they're bringing in lots of nice sugars and stuff to make the plant strong. I think it's more important though, that shoots you care about get direct light. In this last grow I got to the point where I just did not have anywhere to physically put the fan leaves, so I had no choice but to cut them off or let them shade buds. The latter aint happening.

Cutting or pinching them off is a very last resort for me, but it must be done sometimes. First I will try bending them out of the way instead of tucking them underneath. If you pinch them gently, or roll the stem between your fingers while pressing gently (causing slight damage), sometimes you can get them to bend out of the way somewhere and keep growing that direction for the most part.

Also sometimes you can cut the leaves in half or third to solve the problem.

MVP...nice scrog, im interested in trying that this crop, opie i hate cutting em too man, i try cutting smaller leaves in 3rds to save fan leaves, but you gotta do.......good lucj with the ladies MVP

whiskeytango
SnSstealth

Like your new avatar Opie. :)

MVP...theyre going mad in there. I'd worry about going in one day and not coming back out......:D

Last night was Day 20 of 12/12, and I did a lot of tucking fan leaves and repositioning of bud sites to get them as much direct light as possible. Over the last 2 days they drank down a couple of gallons of water, causing the PPM to rise about 100 points. I topped off the nutes with RO water and a light nute solution of Bloom, CalMag, and EJ MicroBlast to bring PPM to approx 1200 and PH to 6.1.

Here are a couple of before and after shots to check out:

BEFORE
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AFTER
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I also arrived at the conclusion that it was about time to cut back on tucking and repositioning fan leaves and bud sites, I dropped a quick message to a friend that is more experienced, and he confirmed my gut feel on this decision. Hell, I've never SCROGGED before so if anyone else has different opinions I would like to hear them.

At any rate, here is the best pic I could get late last night showing how the buds are starting to develop. Color is a little off since I had to have the CFL's on to get the closeup. They are greener but that damn upper screen makes it hard to get any kind of picture...

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What made you decide that in the first place....to stop doing it as you said?

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

What made you decide that in the first place....to stop doing it as you said?

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My gut feeling was that after approx 3 weeks they would be ready to flower on their own. The MK clones that I am flowering are about 2 weeks ahead of the Dominas and I noticed that their vertical growth slowed at the 2-3 week mark. I used that as a barometer for the Dominas.

What I will be doing is letting the colas grow and fatten up, and selectively tucking or removing fan leaves when they are shading bud sites. Up until this point I was tucking the entire canopy 2-3x per week. Now I will just tuck or remove the most problematic fan leaves - dealing with them on a case by case basis rather than the whole canopy on a scheduled basis...

So do you think he scrogging has slowed down your flowering period at all?

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Originally Posted by MVP

My gut feeling was that after approx 3 weeks they would be ready to flower on their own. The MK clones that I am flowering are about 2 weeks ahead of the Dominas and I noticed that their vertical growth slowed at the 2-3 week mark. I used that as a barometer for the Dominas.

What I will be doing is letting the colas grow and fatten up, and selectively tucking or removing fan leaves when they are shading bud sites. Up until this point I was tucking the entire canopy 2-3x per week. Now I will just tuck or remove the most problematic fan leaves - dealing with them on a case by case basis rather than the whole canopy on a scheduled basis...

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MVP, that sounds about right in my book. After 2 or 3 weeks into flowering it's usually time to leave them be, and only move or remove the offending leaves as they shade buds. At that point the goal should have been to fill in the entire screen, but if it's not filled in, you gotta just leave them alone mostly.

i gotta follow this more too...lol....may be scrogging mine soon

alright guys....these pics are one week old sprouts. lookin good so far, had a few stretching a little bit, but just moved some pots around and they are fine.....

whiskeytango
SnSstealth

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you. plants looking great.

:smokin: at what point should i start manupulating the plants to make my set up scrog? 5-6 internodes?

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

So do you think he scrogging has slowed down your flowering period at all?

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Not so far as I can tell, but it may be too early for me to say that for certain. They do look rather nice but I cannot remember what the Dominas looked like after 3 weeks into the first grow.

Good question Hound, stay tuned and I'll answer that one in a few weeks...

MVP :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

:smokin: at what point should i start manupulating the plants to make my set up scrog? 5-6 internodes?

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I would top them once or twice to get them nice and bushy, then proceed to screen them. I grow from clones and personally I go by look and height rather than counting nodes.

sounds like a plan...

Here are some quick photos showing how they are developing so far...

From the TOP Left then Right
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From eye level- Left, Middle, Right
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Next up is a 24 hour flush with FloraKleen to help wash away salts and help with balanced nute absorption. That will be tomorrow or Friday.

MVP :jointsmile:

MVP
dam impressive dude, dam impressive, really nice!:thumbsup:

Rock.....hydro calls....:D

They look fucking excellent. Could you post your numbers for me when you have a chance MVP? Just want to see whats causing that great growth.

cm asked me this and I don't have a clue....any of you guys got a plan for manicuring and drying your plants? In other words....how are you planning to get that screen off them? Cutting it? Thoughts on how to hang, trim and dry such branches? Do you guys plan on reusing that same screenfor your next grow or a new one each time.?