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Stinky's Crash Course in "nOOb Hydro"... Welcome to the Darkside
The plants were half dead, res changes were often and yet still not enough, significant plumbing required and pump failure results in likely death...Unless you perfected this I wouldn't recommend it but hey you know more than I do...:hippy:
I'd be interested to see how they fair at 80+ res temps...
EDIT - Simple Plumbing...But still...
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Dude, get lost.
Half dead? Whatever man. The finest shit I've EVER smoked came off a couple of those plants. I didn't pre-treat my hydroton, which resulted in stress from rising pH, and mangled the roots putting the clones in- both issues that were avoidable had I asked the guy at the shop, 'hey, how do you put rooted clones in HT, and do you have to pre-treat it?' My day temps were in the low 90s and my night temps dropped into the 50s regularly. This you would have read if you had bothered to read the thread before coming on here and acting all smug.
Res changes were NOT often- another thing you would have noticed. I think I did a total of 3 complete res changes the whole fucking grow. Your point...?
Pump failure does NOT result in likely death if you live there! This is not a commercial set it and forget it grow! Just for giggles, I turned off my pump at the end and left the remaining plants under just a shop light. After a WEEK they were still not wilting. Then I chopped them. I assume that the grower is going to stick his head in the closet once a day to see if everything is running.. is that too much to ask?
Did you notice this thread was a learning experience for me too?
Did you see me laughing at my own failures?
Did you see that I am about to set it up again for another run, with the lessons I've learned?
Did you notice the thread is NOT a sticky, and not in the FAQs?
Hell, did you even read the whole thread (apparently not)?
THIS WAS FOR FUN.
What in the holy hell is your PROBLEM?
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Stinky's Crash Course in "nOOb Hydro"... Welcome to the Darkside
Oh you also said it overflowed twice...;)
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Oh aren't you the observant one. I was counting that in my total 3 res changes, smartypants.
Got any other nits to pick? Here... have some Rid...
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Quite a system you've got there. All those mistakes and still the best yandi you've ever smoked...:D
Clearly even the sun shines on a dogs arse once and a while...
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That's quite a tan you've got by the way...
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Originally Posted by stinkyattic
That's quite a tan you've got by the way...
LOL............:thumbsup:.......I knew there were still americans that can take a joke. I was just rippin ya to get my post count up...:D
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Originally Posted by QWIDGYBO
LOL............:thumbsup:.......I knew there were still americans that can take a joke. I was just rippin ya to get my post count up...:D
That's what that rip was? ...pheew go rip elsewhere, that Mexican food you had for lunch is bothering my nostrils.
Seriously though, we could use some help troubleshooting in the hydro section... As I've said time and time again... I'm not a hydro person. Really.
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This guy was proudly planning his first garden as of Oct 2007- I don't think he's gonna be much help.
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Right right.
Let's see that would make one full crop cycle from seed or two full crop cycles from clone.
Hey, what can I say, you can pack a lot o' learnin' into 4 months! ESPECIALLY if nothing goes wrong! It is through our mistakes that we actually learn shit...
:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by rhizome
This guy was proudly planning his first garden as of Oct 2007- I don't think he's gonna be much help.
If you went through my research you would see the custom systems I have planned along with the knowledge I have gained from some of the very best at ICMAG including the infamous Lucas...
I have not the time nor the inclination to help others with their hydro problems...As you said I have been planning my own grow for quite some time...I think if more people did what I am doing you wouldn't have 2000 repeat questions every two mins. Or members tht need constant counselling...Which is why when I do finally attempt a grow I will reserve the entire first page for a concise grow log - If this forum allows it...
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Originally Posted by stinkyattic
As I've said time and time again... I'm not a hydro person. Really.
Yes that is quite evident...
Oh snap...:D
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Originally Posted by QWIDGYBO
I have not the time nor the inclination to help others with their hydro problems...
So you are here only to heckle? Not to participate? Just what we need.
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Originally Posted by QWIDGYBO
..I think if more people did what I am doing you wouldn't have 2000 repeat questions every two mins. Or members tht need constant counselling...
What you are doing: Trolling, essentially.
So, yes. If more people did what you are doing, we wouldn't have repeat questions because we wouldn't have any MEMBERS left to ask them. By the way, we don't even have 2000 posts total per day on the entire site, Mister Precision! We are all here to learn and teach each other. Constant counseling is not a bad thing if it's done in good humour.
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Originally Posted by QWIDGYBO
Which is why when I do finally attempt a grow I will reserve the entire first page - If this forum allows it...
This forum does not allow that.
So wait, you are saying 'when I do finally attempt a grow'? Oh. My. Goodness.
Let me say something formally, on the record:
I'm unimpressed with your tone in this thread, and less so now that you, never having completed a grow, have the gall to not only pick apart someone else's learning experience, but then say that you have no inclination to help others with their problems. I STRONGLY recommend that you return tothe other site you speak of. I'm quite familiar with the tone of things on the other side of the pond. Try taking this attitude over there and see how long it takes before you feel REALLY welcome, huh?
Now I'm telling you for the last time: You are not welcome on this thread. Please go do something productive elsewhere, that does not involve trying to pick fights that you won't win. I am NOT the one.
Edit... Didn't see your last post. Looks like someone needs an afternoon nap, because the babysitter is getting sick of this shit.
Oh, snap.
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Well this thread sure went downhill...Not that it was ever brilliant...:D
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Welcome back, quidg... you guys don't have baseball in Australia do you? The 3 strikes rule applies here... straighten up and ride out your ban like a champ or you and your IP are history.
Thanks for sullying what was, in fact, a rather fun thread. :thumbsup:
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If I recall it was you that first started the friction by saying I had a jab at you. It appeared to me that you were looking for an argument and I guess in my haze riddled mind I took it the wrong way...Look I offer my heartfelt apology to you and any members I have disrupted. If I serve out say 5 days and promise not to be hostile or aggressive to anyone again may I have another chance? I do want to contribute just by posting logs. Thats all...Again I am sorry...:thumbsup:
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The Donkey Dick jab made sense considering my current grow log has that strain in the title and you were obviously just trying to start shit. I still don't believe that it was a coincidence. I don't go out of my way to troll. Nor do I go out of my way to ridicule the grows of others.
IF you had been serious about getting on well with other members, you would NOT have made this as your first post after the ban:
"Well this thread sure went downhill...Not that it was ever brilliant...http://boards.cannabis.com/../images...es/biggrin.gif"
I warned you in the ban message that creating a new username will result in another ban.
You created yet ANOTHER username, which is now permanently banned.
This last one is also going to be permanently banned.
So the threat of being removed from canncom permanently really makes you change your tune fast. Considering your statements above as to your attitude etc, plus the re-registering, the bans all stand as they are. The only reason I am not going to ban your IP permanently is this apology. You may return as QUIDGYBO when your bans run out. The standard is 30 additional days per additional username created during the ban period. Your ban period is 60 days. You get penguinman as a freebie.
In the future, please conduct communication via email, which all mods have listed in their siggys or profiles. Thank you.
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Wow! that was epic!!!!!!!!
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Stinky's Crash Course in "nOOb Hydro"... Welcome to the Darkside
also known as
the slap that was heard around the world
couldnt resist:D
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Wow.....what a pathetic soul that is. Could we have less of a genuine life? Good riddance imo.
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Originally Posted by Weedhound
Wow.....what a pathetic soul that is. Could we have less of a genuine life?
*Sniff* I tried... but Life didn't want anything to do with me... :(
Anyway... heh heh...
Here's the wrap-up... and I'm going to post this info as the first post in a new log...
What has Stinky learned from her crash course?
-Minimize plumbing= excessive on the small scale
The idea of the manifold-style plumbing might be important to equalize pressure in a larger-scale system, but in a little one like this, it was WAY overkill and ended up tangling, there were more spots to leak, and yes, the operator could easily shift it by mistake and end up with a spill.
I have resolved this by building a more streamlined emitter out of flexi.
The easy way to make flexi uncurl when it has been sold in rolled-up bundles is to put a few cups of water in the bottom of a wok set on low heat with a wire rack across it, and steam it until it softens. Take a bulldog clip and hang it by one end from the ceiling. I know you guys all have ceiling hooks, lol!!!
The new emitter is a single piece of 1/2" flexi with a half-dozen small holes cut in it with an X-Acto, and 1/4" T- fittings punched into it, and folded over at one end to seal. The thing took me 10 minutes to make... so much for plumbing being too hard for a n00b... :wtf:
The individual courses to the plants are 1/4" flexi where one side is longer than the other so I can secure the main line OVER one trough and even if the connections suck and it drips, it's dripping into the plants, not on the floor.
-Pre-treat your hydroton before adding live plants to the system if you care about them remaining live plants. Running the system empty for a week allows time to troubleshoot plumbing, inpsect for clogs, and monitor the res pH until it stabilizes.
-Cornucopia is not as forgiving as a n00b without an EC meter needs and I am now going to stick with Canna Aqua (yay, it's buffered!) since as someone above pointed out I'm completely full of shit and don't know a thing about hydro. I'll return to it at a later date when I have proper meters... lol
-More frequent res changes might be in order, and a more stable temperature is an absolute necessity!
On the PLUS side...
-The aeration from the action of the waterfall was fabulous
-The bud development was actually superior to my soil-grown plants coming out of the same room during that same time period
-It was as compact as hoped for
-It was dirt-ass cheap to build
-That $15 'ECO' pump is a champ; the res ran dry innumerable times and it is still working magnificently
-It fits beautifully under $16 worth of Home DePOT shop lights for those of you who would be vegging in it for a little while
-I saw no evidence that any plants were rootbound to the point of unhappiness at harvest time even though the roots were DEFINITELY a big clump of rootiness
-Despite gross operator negligence, the freakin' thing WORKED
That was quite a learning experience that's fo sho. See ya in the next log!
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It'll work better your next time too.....;)
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That shit was the funniest shit I have read in a week.
The punch line:
"When I begin my first grow"
HAHAHAHAHAHA :rastasmoke:
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Hey Stinky, I thank you for all your time and effort here...
And keep brushin of them haters, can't believe that fool said "when I start my first grow" lol absolutly ridiculous. I'm still a noob but have learned so much from your posts as well as Weedhounds just keep it up
later, D:S5:
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Hey cool~ good timing on the bump too; the big chunk of white plastic mentioned at the end of the Donkey Dick thread has just found a new spot... some cuttings have just grown some new feets... Stink's stocked up on a fresh supply of Canna juice... heh heh heh...
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dang this thread got feisty, but stink im wondering how do you go about putting seeds in hydroton? i was thinking maybe of putting the sprouts in a dixie cup of perilite first and then into the hydroton? is that smart? or should i just carefully place the sprout in amongst the balls? im just starting a constant flow hydro...
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Fly guy, you gotta germ them seeds 1st then put them into your choice of rooter plug/oasis cube/ rockwool or you might be able to root them in perlite like you said and then go into the net pot w/hydroton like you would transplant a rooted clone from an ez cloner...just make sure they are well rooted then they can go in your constant flow system
D:S5:
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right on, obviously rooter plugs would be preferred, i just havent been able to find any in my town...ima check out tractor supply today if they have anything i'd need...
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Wanna hear something funny? I have heard mutterings of growers using- NOT KIDDING- fibreglass insulation as a medium. I'd treat it exactly as rockwool, soaking it in quite a large excess of water set to pH 6.0.
I've never used the shit but would be interested to see someone run an experiment with bagseed to see if you can get seedlings to survive the requisite ~10-14 days or so from germ to the time when they are rooty enough to go into the hydroton. Actually, a little plug of fiberglass in a net pot of hydroton, hand-watered until they root enough to go into your automated system.
Chances are there's some fibreglass poking out of the cracks atop your basement sills... lol... you on;y need a tiny piece. Who's up for an experiment? :D
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my best wishes on YOUR new experiment Stinky...
btw I just got HT's oct issue and was wondering which brown bag was the Stinkster masked by...lol...props again on the nuggs n juggs 4th place win...the thing with the juggs is " you've seen one you've seen em all " but I could look at, and sample, different strains of NUGGS and never feel like it's the same stuff I've seen before..
thanks keep doing what you do
D:S5:
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lol... the paper bag portrait was my idea, and I spent half a day trying to find a place that would sell me a hundred bags, and ended up having to drive to a paper factory to get a case of them... and I didn't even get notified that the pic was being taken... so I'm not in it. Oh well, the jacket I was wearing that day woulda made your eyes bleed anyhow. So it's best stashed in my closet where it can't harm anyone.
I'm trying to disappear lately actually... making a mention in HT isn't helping. Hahaha! But thanks so much for the kind words.
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Has anyone ever tried using a portable live well? I would think the aerators here is a copy of one's description:
These aerators from Frabill are just the ticket for keeping those minnows lively in the bait bucket. Whether you're hitting the frozen lakes in search of an ice angling adventure, taking the boat out for an evening on the lake, or just kicking back on the shore of some pond, your fishing expedition will be that much better with fresh minnows.
# Available: Aerator - Extremely portable and easy to use, this handy aerator comes complete with a 30" nonkink hose and a high-output air stone. Powered by two D-cell batteries.
# Min-O-Life Aerator - Watertight case is ideal for use in any weather. Built-in LED makes it easy to rebait your hook after dark. Includes 30" nonkink hose and aeration stone.
# Aqua-Life Portable Aerator - A microbubble diffuser creates a cloud of tiny bubbles. Built-in LED for night fishing. Triple-play power (two D-cell, 12-volt adapter or 120-volt adapter port). Includes 30" nonkink hose.
Some work up to 60 hours on battery if the power goes out and the tanks themselves are insulated so that would help with the temps, come in all sorts of sizes from 4 gallons all the way to 30g
Anyway just wondering
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Luna, I haven't tried it but it's been on my mind.. I made a bubble cloner and was thinking if I took some cuts from a plant a county or two away. I could theoretically put them in the cloner there, hook the cloner's air line up to the livewell aerator and transport my cuts in hydro, bubbling while I'm on my drive home then hook it up to the main air pump at home.. at least that's the plan.
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Originally Posted by stinkyattic
...I'm trying to disappear lately actually... making a mention in HT isn't helping.....
oh???
you too??
thought it was just SNS,,,, haha, gotta catch up on my reading!:cool:
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Why i've never read this thread before.. I have no idea.
I will definitely be using the information in this thread to either mimic it entirely.. or to base a new design around it.
However the current design looks so fool proof I'm not sure there is much that I would change aside from a few things that have nothing to do with design at all (ie presoak the hydrotron). :thumbsup:
great article and it looks like a great way to get into hydro.
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Hey stinky!
I don't want to get banned but
I have experience with soil once and hydro once and my current 3rd grow is hydro again, and your setup sort of confuses me and I consider myself still a n00b and im confused with your n00b hydro setup :(
so, does the water get pumped to the black elongated trays and just flow under nearth the lil nets? and the roots chill there and get soaked when it flows downward toward the end of the elongated trays that drains it back into the resivoire? (crap i can't spell)
when you say plumbing do you mean water pumps?
I hear those can get clogged and set you back for days
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Originally Posted by Revanche21
Hey stinky!
I don't want to get banned but
I have experience with soil once and hydro once and my current 3rd grow is hydro again, and your setup sort of confuses me and I consider myself still a n00b and im confused with your n00b hydro setup :(
so, does the water get pumped to the black elongated trays and just flow under nearth the lil nets? and the roots chill there and get soaked when it flows downward toward the end of the elongated trays that drains it back into the resivoire? (crap i can't spell)
when you say plumbing do you mean water pumps?
I hear those can get clogged and set you back for days
:hippy:
The water drops down on into the hydrotron, not underneath or on top. From there the water trickles around until it finally makes it's way back out of the pot. Once out of the pot it makes it's way into the leach tray which has to J fittings (skinny dump pipes) that flow back into the resevoir acting as a type of return system.
At least that's the way I understand it.
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Originally Posted by Revanche21
I hear those can get clogged and set you back for days
:hippy:
In regards to the pump to keep on hand.. simple solution. Buy a spare until you can fix your current pump. The Eco 185 pumps are about $15.. the 66gph ones are 8 bucks, but I would probably stick with what's already been prove. The 185 pumps.
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so its kinda like a bubbleponic DWC setup from stealthhydroponics, except its bubbleponic NFT?
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Why on earth would I ban you? lol silly...
They CAN get clogged and set your grow back, and set your living room ceiling back... yes, my ceiling needs re-plastering now because I didn't check for clogs for a week...
Check for clogs, and clean out your pump filter every week when you change the res. Scrape out any algae that has grown, as it WILL, in the res, at every change as well. Make sure the clay pebbles stay in the pots.
The water flows like a babbling brook down through the hydroton and along the roots. The tray is to hold the pots upright and direct the runoff water back into the res.