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Cheers mate!! I see where I was misguided by your post, well not misguided, but misunderstood what you were saying. I was thinking you were saying that the war would fix our current economic problem, rather than just being a band-aid fix. I see also by your post that we do have a lot of the same ideas. :rastasmoke:Quote:
Originally Posted by thcbongman
Wow, that was beautifully said. You pretty much wrapped my thoughts up from the last 10 or 15yrs and placed them in this nice post. Cheers to you Tea Party!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tea Party
I am so amused by people who think that since the U.S. has nuclear weapon capabilities that any and all countries should be allowed to have them as well. This is 1st grade logic, plain & simple. Countries run by dictators should NOT be allowed to have nuclear programs that be used for weapons of mass distruction. Period. It's unfortunate that Canadians are so obsessed with U.S. politics that that they are unable to hold their own government reponsible for border security and the security of North America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonyc
The U.S. government has alot wrong with it, but unless other countries are willing to do their part, then their concerns are pretty much irrelevant as to what we need to do do keep ourselves safe.
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Cheers! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by epxroot
I thought it was a good level-headed debate. A bit of miscommunication, but it was a fun exercise!
So it's only okay to dictate what others may do if it's America doing the dictating ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Friend Indeed
What Canada has to do with it is beyond me ? Please elaborate.
The US goverment is the biggest risk to world peace since Hitler.
How hypocritical is it to tell everyone else to disarm whilst you are arming yourself to the teeth ?
I can not see how there will ever be peace. There NEVER will be. Not until the fucking end of the world will this shit stop. Fact is America would do its self some fucking good if it got out of middle east and spent all the trillions of dollars your government has invested in ridiculous defence measures on improving standard of living, education, poverty, and racism. Never ever going to happen of course, cause now we're in too deep.. so forget that..Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Jack Sparrow
With all your defence you have, there is no need to use it on Iran. Do you actually think they will nuke you? Seriously?! They aren't fucking idiots. If Iran nuked America that would be the end of Iran and half of the middle east - they just wouldn't do that. It makes me so fucking mad that you actually have that baboon of a man the LEADER OF YOUR FUCKING COUNTRY. HOW THE FUCK DID THAT ONE HAPPEN?!?!? The most powerful man in the world - an idiot! HOW?!?!? For those who would tell me to shut up because "I dont live in the USA," - I would say this; I live in the UK where our government follows yours with everything you do. Why isn't he impeached? I read somewhere that 70% of the USA population want the troops home. WHY THE FUCK ARENT THEY HOME THEN?! The government knows best huh I guess.
Another war huh?? yea great Idea
Who is going to fight it? You ? Who will pay for it? Why?
Just because a country wants to produce its own energy?
"Serious science has been known to the general public for say 300 years.
There's a lot of mental evolution to come before we loose the ghosts and gremlins built into our minds."
How to make world peace? Rid the world of religion.No use for it anymore,everyone knows that the world isn't flat now a days.
okay, border security...lmao, that's like right next to us, why don't we help them improve whatever's wrong with their border, instead of a stupid fucking war in Iraq?Quote:
Originally Posted by Friend Indeed
Um......when/where did I state that the war with Iraq was correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Markass
I thought we were discussing nuclear capabilities.
What exactly is YOUR country doing about the security of North America? Why should U.S. taxpayers help you people w/your border weakness? Use your own tax dollars!! I'm already paying for a WAR I don't agree with. Why should we help you with your problems? Why should we help YOU with anything?
By the way, how many AlQueda camps are you up to now in Canada?
I don't work 2 jobs to help YOUR government do what is right.
Hold YOUR governemnt responsible!!!!!
And, regarding your previous quote regarding the U.S. being the worst dictatorship since Hitler in Nazi Germany: How ignorant. You should be embarrassed. Truly.
Are you really THAT uneducated? Have you ever opened a history book? What are you people learning in Canada?! Any 1st grader can google "dictatorship" to learn that the U.S. is nothing close.
You ditched classes alot in high school didn't you?
First of all, MArkass isn't Canadian..or at least didn't say it. Next,
Before you state that Canada has a weak border, and that we need help from YOU, or need to "protect the continent" for you...fucking do your research bud.
We had one cell. They were training here. And then they were ALL ARRESTED!!!!!!!
We caught that...how the hell do we need help??
It's funny how you say "our border weakness". That's the most ridiculous argument ever.
And if you argue that terrorists are coming through the border to your country, that is a US customs problem, not ours! The guys who we caught here were canadian citizens, who were BORN HERE so how would our border have anything to do with it?? Before you call people uneducated and ignorant, make sure your argument isn't even more ludacris than theirs, which it clearly is.
Nobody asked you to use your tax dollars to help us, we don't need your fucking help man. What we need is to not be too closely associated with you guys so we can keep our asses un-attacked!
Are you able to carry on a debate without swearing?
When you drop the F-Bomb it just makes you look ignorant & uneducated.
I have "fucking" done my research, "bud".
"We don't need you're fucking help, man"??? Really? Good!!!!!
If/when Canada is attacked, I will protest my government for providing aid, which of course will be fruitless.
All I said was that SOME Canadians are obsessed with American politics & are unable/unwilling/afraid to hold their own governemnt responsible.
Why don't you use your pent-up resentment to make changes to YOUR political system?
Canada is very fortunate to be adjacent to the U.S.
Have a nice fucking day, man. I have to go to work so that I can pay taxes to subsidize Canada's socialized medical system.
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Friend Indeed,
Causing a flame war, personal attacks, in here isn't permitted. One more post referring to people in here being ignorant will be dealt with.:postreadrulez:
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
I'm defensive because you offended me, and my country. And you didn't even do so rationally or logically.
I used the "f-bomb" as you call it only twice.
Your tax dollars have nothing to do with my medical system!!!! Where do you even come up with this!?
By the way, nobody is obsessed with American politics. It's funny to watch, but obsessed? I highly doubt it. And how does us having an interest in American politics mean we can't hold our government accountable. I just don't see where you get your arguments, and don't call me ignorant and uneducated for using some colourful language in defending my nation, which you've insulted.
And you think your government would help us if we were attacked...you can't even help your own citizens in New Orleans, let alone anyone else! You act like you're doing us a favour by being our neighbour, when you do nothing but insult us.
Why so sour about our medicare? It has nothing to do with you. Seems as though you wish you had access.
Read the thread title man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Friend Indeed
This is not a discussion about nuclear capability it is about support for another bullshit attack by America on another nation which has done fuck all to America.
I was the one who compared Bush to Hitler not Mark so why don't you quote me, Bush is DICTATING what other countries may or may not do .Quote:
Originally Posted by Friend Indeed
Try looking up the definition of dictating.
Getting others to toe your line through threats of violence is DICTATING.
You need the education if you believe for one minute that America is not becoming a facist state, you buy the propoganda telling you there are threats round every corner which gives your goverment even more power to monitor and watch you for any anti-American ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Friend Indeed
Sounds a lot like the Mcarthy witch hunts of the 50s ,,reds under the bed,, feed the paranoia and keep the people suspicious of each other. It's all a smoke screen to stop you looking too closely at what your goverment is actualy doing which is screwing each and every one of you.
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Originally Posted by Friend Indeed
Ok, This post is about supporing a War with Iran or not. Did you even read my post? Do you know what a dictator even is? An absolutist or autocratic ruler who assumes sole power over the state. President Ahmadinejad became president on 6 August 2005 after winning the 2005 presidential election by popular vote. That makes him the president of the islamic REPUBLIC of Iran.
Your stance on you country's nuclear program is that it's fine if you have nukes, and its fine if anyone else who follows you has nukes? Meaning after the war in Iraq is over, (and they have so kindly laid down their weapons and adopted western democracy like you have forced on them) you would be fine if they started a nuclear weapons program?
And what does Canada's border patrol have anything to do with this post, and how the hell in your right mind do you justify saying that YOUR taxes go towards the Canadian universal healthcare system?
There's plenty of room for debate over justified means in the Iraq war. Coincidentally, America invaded Iraq, and is now trying to make the best of an awkward situation/stalemate. American politicians are at each others throats constantly. The left, in general, wants to bring the war to a close immediately...while the right wants to see the job get finished. The "job" being to establish a democracy in a primarily theocratic nation. This is usually where the debates begin. Democrats who want out assume that the mission should have actually been accomplished when Hussein was removed from power. The Republicans want the Iraqi military to be able to defend itself from future insurgents and terrorists. There, unfortunately, is no middle ground...nor many compromises. Just endless bickering from both sides.
As for war with Iran, it's not likely at all that this will happen. For several reasons. One - America has very little resources for a ground invasion in ANY country, much less one the size of Iran. Two - most Americans are sick and tired of losing their sons and daughters to a war declared on an abstract, and loosely used noun (i.e. - "terrorism"). Three - Iran, while touting their supposed nuclear capabilities, certainly doesn't want to try and compete with America in terms of destructive capabilities of a nuclear war. America's nuclear arsenal could turn their enormous, rugged country into a flat parking lot very quickly. And they know this. This is why they are trying to wage a covert war by supplying insurgents in Iraq with weaponry. It's basically the only way they can "wage war" on the American "infidels" without actually making a declaration of war.
As for the negative comments about America, just remember this...no one country is perfect. No country is flawless in the laws it imposes on its civilians, and no country has a 100% perfectly content citizenship. America has its flaws, and I don't know of any American who will blatantly deny this. But, even with all of its flaws, it's still considered the greatest nation in the world by many people...not just Americans. It's still a land of opportunity, and even though the concept of freedom is different for everyone, it's still the land of the free. I agree that the archaic marijuana laws could use some revamping, and that's what political activism is for. I'm vehemently against most drugs. I've seen what heroin and cocaine can do to peoples lives. I've met the families that these drugs have destroyed. I'm not against the DEA, because I don't EVER want my children to get caught up in the turmoil that hard drugs can impose on a persons life. I wish the DEA would actually take the time to consider the medicinal properties of marijuana use, and maybe they will. The best thing about living in America is that we can choose and elect representatives that can make real changes.
...we just have to find them first.
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Originally Posted by Friend Indeed
1. I'm not canadian, buddy.
2. Why should I as a US taxpayer pay to help Iraq's cause?? Why not spend it in canada instead, which is right at our front door?
Give me one good reason for American troops being in Iraq ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Clandestine
WMD ?
They are there for one reason only and that is to benefit America.
As for Iran , America really needs to clean up it's own backyard before it goes round dictating to others.
I wasn't defending the reasons America had for going over there. I didn't agree with the war in the first place, but I will agree that Iraq is now a better place with Saddam out of power. And if ("if" being the operative word) Iraq establishes a long-lasting democracy, then I'd say that's another good reason for still having our troops there. Regardless of whether you believe the rhetoric or not, Iraq and much of the Middle East is a breeding ground for terrorists and Islamic radicals. If we run from something they started (not Iraq, but Islamic radical fundamentalists), we'd look like cowards in the eyes of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
The Power of Nightmares Part 1: Baby it's Cold Outside - by Adam Curtis
The Power of Nightmares Part 2: The Phantom Victory - by Adam Curtis
The Power of Nightmares Part 3: The Shadows in the Cave - by Adam Curtis
Fear is being sown for a reason and people need to wake up to the manipulation.
Soldiers doing a march depicting a sword going through the U.S. and Israel; The head Mullah checking out the troops....words can be manipulated but images like these can't.
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Have a good one!:s4:
Tell Hollywood images can't be manipulated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
I guess Alien must've been real , and Independance Day too huh ?
I almost pissed myself laughing man, I am a photographer and believe me images aren't that difficult to manipulate at all.
Many years ago I saw an advertisement that showed a stereotypical skinhead type character seemingly attacking an elderly man.
When the camera pulled back to show the same scene again it became obvious that it wasn't an attack.
The elderly man was stood under a platform on the edge of collapse and the "thug" attacking was actualy saving the mans life.
Point of view can change everything.
The narrow field of the original shot missed the finer detail making the scene very different to the actual event.
Your right....they can be. So do ya think that the images in that flick are real or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
I read in here on how history repeats itself; we should learn from past mistakes, etc.... Imagine Hitler with a nuke, Iran can't be permitted to get to that stage. Study their constitution and the philosophy of their Mullahs.
Have a good one!:s4:
Is it fear that guides your rationale?
This is how the western take over of the middle east will go.
9/11 = Invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq = Hatred grows for America in the middle east, adding to numbers of Al Qaeda (which is ultimately what the government wants, so they can push their policies on us with little or no debate) = We use said hatred to yet again stir up an anti-Muslim image in the media and government = We let this image fester until it becomes the norm = In Iraq we build military bases (as we are now) to make the invasion of Iran that much easier = We say that Iran has nukes and that they are a huge threat to us = We invade Iran, and take oil, build more bases, give the president all the power he needs to create an autocracy = then repeat cycle but with Saudi, then Syria, etc, etc, etc.
It will NEVER end. NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER
Only if they threaten our security.
How do you know if they do or not? Are the government suddenly enlightened bringers of truth?
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Originally Posted by smartin.2006
Define that please ?
Iraq was no " threat to your security" and neither is Iran, the biggest threat to your security is your own goverments foreign policy.
We might just as well attack Iraq. We've managed to make a complete mess of things over there anyway. Might as weel finish it all off in one big nuke.
I find that the stupidest comment so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
one good thing that can come from a nuclear strike in the middle east, all that extreme heat will make all that sand into glass. and think of all the glass bongs and beer bottles we could make from that
No, it may be hard to hear but i do not support ANY war. Unless they invade you...
What if they attack your allies? 'cause otherwise you'd have to ban any national allegiances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
No! its a stupid idea iran is NEVER going to attack anyone.
*shakes his head*
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
Does Iran seriously pose a threat to us? No. We can not just keep waging war out of fear like this. George W. Bush people. That's why you shouldn't do cocaine.
Every single country should have to disarm and throw their nukes out, which includes the US. It doesn't make sense thatwe can have them but nobody else can. But nobody should be holding the power to vaporize a whole big city with one bomb. Nobody should be able to hold the power to blow up the whole world with nuclear bombs either.
Anyway, it's pretty obvious they're lying about Iran, just like they lied about Iraq.
And I agree with you, Yoda. I really don't think Iran poses a threat. I don't see much of a threat from terrorists either.
It would be incredibly retarded for Iran to nuke us if they had them. Plus, how many would they have? A couple? One? Ok, so they nuke us... then guess what happens? They get nuked by a country that has over ten thousand nukes. They can't compete! They'd be ensuring their death. They'd be signing a deathwish for everyone in the country. They will not nuke us even if they had them. They can't be that stupid... *waits for the replies saying they are that stupid*
It's nice to read through the warmongers posts in this thread for a good chuckle, Iran being a threat to the US, lol that always makes me laugh. But of course, comparing Iran to Nazi Germany takes the cake :lol5:
Fuck NO!!!!!!
I would never support a war in Iran, Let the Israilies take care of it. They have the most to lose if Iran becomes nucular. And believe me they will never let that happen.
Yeah. I dont support a US led invasion, however I support a US-supported invasion by Israel. There is no way in hell Israel will allow Iran to get nuclear weapons capabilities. No way in hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Garcia 2007
If Israel even suspects Iran of building nuclear weapons, you will see US aircraft being used by Israel to bomb it. As they have every right to do. The middle east has made it clear they want Israel off the map and Israel has the right to defend themselves.
I wouldnt be shocked if they bomb the new Russian built plant in Tehran before it even becomes operational in Late 2008.
But No, the US should not lead an invasion. Iran would not be capable of doing any damage to the US for the next 20 years atleast.
So what difference does it make if we lead the war or supply the weapons? In either case we are involved and if you think Arabs are too stupid to notice this then you are very naive. 9/11 didn't occur because we were friendly and fair to Arabs, keep that in mind. If Israel wants to wage war they should do it on their own with no help at all from the US. If they wage war we need to end all funding so we don't have blood on our hands. They should be the ones to face the consequences of what war brings, not the US and certainly not innocent American citizens!Quote:
Originally Posted by AZExplorer
It still amazes me how people think our issues with Iran have to do with nuclear weapons and terrorism. Those same people never seem to stop and wonder what is the root cause of terrorism, or why a country like Iran would even want a nuke. Seems like a common attitude with Americans is that the horrible things we did to our enemies in the past are irrelevant because we are the world leader, and if we continue with that logic we will never see peace in the world and America will ultimately fail. Most countries don't last as long as we have lasted, so people need to start asking themselves if they want America to last another 50 years or another 500 years. Waging wars across the world is the best way to shorten the life of our nation, and when that happens, believe me, terrorists will not be what makes you stay up all night.