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right on.. i dont really have much to add to this post, because i am slightly stoned, please continue, the fire exits are here, here and here, in case of emergency there is a life jacket situated under your seatsQuote:
Originally Posted by mr chinnery
Hey Ghostoker, you might be interested in http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html. Useful site for folk of the Atheist persuasion...
thanks man, ill check it out :)
Ghostoker and Mr Chinnery-
Your view is your view. I'm a christian and I know why most people dislike christians. It's because they are intolerant and always saying and doing stuff like marching against gay folk or yelling a teens because they screwed up thinking the boy loved her. Every religion has it's fanatics even aithest have thier fanatics like the ones that go to Christian web sites just to fuck with Christians. I personally don't care to much for religion but what I do care about is following Jesus. I know what your most likely thinking. If you follow Jesus then your a Christian. The term Christian is a political tag that people use to seperate people. (My belief) I believe Jesus/God/Holy Spirit are all one person just as I am a father, Husband, and son. I believe the Holy Spirit lives in everyone some call it our conscience I like to call it the Holy Spirit. I believe the Holy Spirit (conscience) is in constant communication with God. Thats why when we were younger and we did something wrong we didn't need anyone to tell us it was wrong we felt it. I believe walking in the spirit is walking a day to day life but listening to your conscience (Holy Spirit) and doing what is right. You don't believe is God, thats your choice but do you believe in your conscience. How can your conscience know what's right or wrong with out anyone telling it/you. That was the first step to me believing there is a God. I couldn't come up with how I already knew something was ok to do and something was not ok to do. Then there are the things that happen that I can't explain for example when I was younger I bought some Christma gift for my family. I didn't have much money but I did know how much I had. I bought the gifts and still had five bucks left. On my way home I walked past a homeless man. I didn't give him anything cause I only had five bucks. About five minutes later I started to feel bad because it was close to Christmas and the guy was homeless so I walked back and gave him the five bucks. I got home and wraped the gifts and left with my parents to (the dreaded word) church. When we got there they were having a Annie Armstrong something or another. Tithing for Missions or something anyways. All my friends were putting in money and I didn't have any because I gave my last five bucks to the homeless guy. I opened my wallet to show a friend I didn't have money and guess what. I know you don't believe it but there was eight dollars in there. So I dropped three and kept my five bucks. I figured I gave it up once and I doubt that will happen again so I kept it. True story. I don't know where the money came from who know my parents could have put it in my wallet but I'll never know. I can't explain everything in my life and the things I can't explain I think they were God sends. Maybe havebeen things like that which happened to you. Only you know. I'm not going to preach at you all I do really is tell life experiences. I'm tolerant of everyone because thats what the Bible tells me to do. Those Christians that do different I can't judge because I'm only a human on this earth it's God's job to judge but I do know they make it harder for people like me in this world. Every cannabis web site I go to people give me shit because I'm a Christian. It's an everyday thing for me. I hope my side (Christians) don't do that to you because I know how upset it makes me. I did my job as a follower of Christ and that was to tell you of the free gift of forgiveness granted by the sacrifice of Jesus. May my Lord and Savior watch over you and protect you from the bad the world has to offer and may my Lord Bless you and may the smoke you love fill your heart with joy. I know it does for me.
Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ
mike, im not gonna give you shit for being Christian! you seem like a decent guy, i'd only give you shit if you were a 'fanatic' as you call it, and gave me abuse for not believing in God
Things (liek the one u described) have happened to me, but I dont think that it was a God send... I just believe that things happen. Thats it. Thats all i believe - Things happen. They dont happen for a reason, nothing is making them happen, they just happen. It helps me get through each day :)
I don't want you to think I'm giving you shit, I'm just trying to understand why and what people, especially religious people, believe, because it's something I've never had. That post was really interesting.I suppose my 'God' is science, science is what I look toward for explanations.
That's an interesting anecdote about the money. Unsurprisingly I don't believe in ghosts, but my mum swears she sensed 'presences' in a house she and my dad and sister used to live in. I can't explain what it was, but I'm not going to say ghosts exist just because my mum believes she sensed it. There is a rational explanation for everything, including the appearance of your cash, it's just neither you or I know what it is.
As for the statement on conscience, my conscience is my conscience, not God's. It was Rev. Michael T who made the decision somewhere along the line that it is morally right to smoke cannabis, but i'll bet there are a lot more Christians who believe otherwise. Surely if God is in everyone, we would have the same consciences and there would be no debate on good and evil in the world. Nonetheless, it's an interesting take on how Christians (don't mean to pigeon-hole you!) feel they can communicate with God.
At the end of the day, if people are happy through their beliefs then that's the main thing!
and god said to moses..look ,,weed over there,,lets cut it down,,its overgrown,we need to burn it,,just a little homemade joke to ease the days
Thank you both for being gentelmen about this conversation. I agree with Ghostoker that things happen. There have been may things in my life that I can't explain. You believe they just are I believe there's a purpose. Both are right because both are our views. I believe Mr Chinnery that people shouldn't believe just because a loved one says they should believe. Speaking of your mother and Ghosts. There was just alittle that I didn't agree with in your post thou Mr. Chinnery and that is we all wouldn't have the same view of ggod and evil because we are all convicted of different things. For example I don't do coke any more. I have friends that do still and tehy are hard core followers of Christ just as I. They aren't convicted of useing coke because they have never abused it. I'm convicted of coke because I over abused it. Almost causing my wife to die of an overdose. Just as we disagree about things because we feel different I believe everyone is convicted of different things. Thats one of the main, ok that is the reason I stopped going to church. Every church I went to I heard sermons about the Pastors conviction. I don't think that is Christ like because that is making others feel guilty for thier own convictions. Now I'm a Rev. and try not to make the same mistakes as those I had a problem with. If I ever do start to preach my conviction I ask that both of you fucking YELLLLLL at me so I can stop before I turn any more poeple off of Jesus. Anyways thanks for being cool and keep on smoking that special plant we all love.
Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ
Must have been how God relaxed on the seventh day...
You got me blushing now. I most def agree about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr chinnery
Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ